civvie women who are not giving me sex, so the only "friends" I see regularly are the ones that want sex with me. Consequently, the only civvie girlfriends I've had in the past ten years started as FWB, and we just drew closer over time until a romance bloomed. Civvie female friends without sexual intimacy just require too much maintenance for me. If nobody ever invented texting, I could have time for more female friends, some of them platonic, but if I have to cut the team down, the platonic ladies are the first to go.
fallen in love with you? Did you cut and run? Did you try to take advantage of the situation?
Providers, have you developed feelings towards a client?
since I was married to one lol.....although I wasn't her client.
Aside from that I don't think so although I did have one show up uninvited at my house when I had been busy and hadn't seen her for a while. She was pissy I had been blowing her off, but I had just been busy opening a business. I don't think it was love, she was just going thru something and needed money. Needless to say I was pissed, and since then I've never done an outcall to my house again.
if it was “falling in love”, but several years ago a provider a little younger than me gave me the feeling that her interest in me was more than professional, or even beyond “just friends” (I have some providers who’re friends, but they’re platonic friendships). There was also some stalking behavior. So I stopped seeing her. The stalking continued for awhile, but after I blocked her on P411 she stopped. It was unfortunate because I enjoyed my sessions with her.
Right - they tell me they love me all the time and when I tip them, they are madly in love with me 
we were banging away when she started yelling, "Marry me! Marry me!"
I was laughing so hard I had to stop.
She kept yelling Jesus, Jesus.
I now have a great mutually monogamous relationship with a former escort. It developed slowly over about 4 years…progressing from just a client to a “preferred” client to a friend (as she was getting out of the business) to eventually her one and only (but only after she was totally out of the business). I admit I pursued her because I realized she was a fantastic person.
She was a very popular lady with almost 100 highly rated TER reviews over about 8 years. We’ve had many very candid talks about her experiences in the business. The blunt truth is the first lesson she learned was to be a good actress. Very little of what guys wrote in reviews was accurate. She almost never orgasmed with a client… despite what guys thought and wrote. She never “loved her job” .. she hated it most of the time, but she loved the money. She paired with select other ladies for threesomes fairly often - only as a way to feel safe and make more money - not because she was “really bi” like guys routinely wrote in reviews. She isn’t bi at all.
She had several guys ask to date her or be their girlfriend … she said she would play them because she knew she could make more money off of them. She actually felt guilty at times doing so, but her rationale was “it’s business.”
So IMHO, most escorts have their own version of the guys “4F” rule (Find her, Flatter her, Fuck her, Forget her). They just sub “him” for “her”.. and maybe change Fuck to Fleece.
This is probably the overwhelming reality beyond the marketing lies. It's all about the money. It's only about the money.
Making love sometimes "makes" "love". I am not sure about love, but I think so and it is at least a deep friendship. There are two I will always feel as though we are in love, and I hope that they feel the same way. It has been several months and several years respectively since we were together BCD. However, these two have been so close to me and I felt that way about them. and both made it clear that they want a forever relationship even if it isn't professional or sexual.
I would trust either of them with house and car keys and the one with a child would let me pick up her daughter after school activities or whatever if she couldn't do it herself because of IRL job conflicts.
I never tried to take advantage of the feelings because they were mutual. This is what I wanted too.
I can definitely say there are 3 for whom I have lots of love for but am not in love with. When it gets to that stage I've stopped seeing them as clients because I began feeling guilty using their services. With all I've remained close friends, the longest of which I've been friends with 12yrs now and we talk/text almost daily. She left the biz and I'm the only one in her social circle who knows her past.
Recently I met a great provider and I can tell we're probably going to be friends for a long time.
Friends without benefits is a female dream come true. Females love to acquire a bevy of orbiting males. They are held on reserve in case of future tough times.
I've had non-fwb relationships since high school. It's not a big deal and definitely not there as a back up / reserve any more than I'm there to back up my guy friends. However, I do 100% believe that you need to fuck a female and realize it's just not there between you before you can become real friends. Otherwise you always gonna wonder, and that's how you become stuck in a friend zone.
I'm not sure there is evidence that females have real male friends. They are obviously smitten by some males, like that prison guard chick who helped her jailed lover escape only to blow her brains out when the law caught up. But if that obsession is absent, then they are just weighing your worth as a potential resource. If they have many male friends then they don't have to as any one friend too many favors. But counting all their male friends they are showered in favors.
civvie women who are not giving me sex, so the only "friends" I see regularly are the ones that want sex with me. Consequently, the only civvie girlfriends I've had in the past ten years started as FWB, and we just drew closer over time until a romance bloomed. Civvie female friends without sexual intimacy just require too much maintenance for me. If nobody ever invented texting, I could have time for more female friends, some of them platonic, but if I have to cut the team down, the platonic ladies are the first to go.
If they take up more time than guy friends then sure it's not worth it....but I've had some needy ass bros too who I've cut out of my life.
had sex with any of my male friends and never will, so with them, there is no alternative like there is with the ladies. A lady can keep me as a friend if she will have sex with me. If that sounds a little callous and self-centered to you, then I would agree with you. Lol
as far as missing out on what could be some rewarding relationships with women.
But, coming from you, it’s consistent. And it could be viewed as an act of kindness on your part.
that you would have sex with your male friends in order to keep their friendship. I will be happy to endure these limitations as I outlined. More women want me as a friend than I have time for, so as I said, sexual availability is the deciding factor for me. If it turns into something more, as it has on occasion, so be it, but I'm not a big advocate of chasing women. They chase me. BTW, how many sets of knee pads have you worn out keeping your male friendships intact? Lol
I was of course referring to “A lady can keep me as a friend if she will have sex with me.” And you know it. But anything to take a cheap shot at someone, huh? That’s what you live for.
And that’s why I said your not forming friendships with women unless they have sex with you could be seen as an act of kindness on your part… to all those women who won’t have to deal with your misogyny.
stalk me and can't resist making snide remarks about my posts, and then you whine like this when you get bitch-slapped. Why not just ignore me? I don't seek you out to respond to because you really don't know much. Why do you seek me out, start something, and then complain about getting the short end of the exchange? I have another stalker that has been doing this for years and is still too stupid to figure out he comes out better NOT responding to me. Maybe you're smarter than him, . . . . or maybe not. In case you didn't notice, it was YOU who took the first cheap shot. Don't start something and then complain how it turns out. It makes you look like a momma's boy.
No woman that has met me in person has ever thought me a misogynist. You couldn't be more wrong. If you have to explain what you meant, isn't that a sign that you're not communicating very well? Maybe you would be better served staying in your own lane. Just a suggestion.
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for people, like you, who can’t read. Or who don’t understand the meaning of words such as “women”.
A person’s words define them as much as their actions. Your words in this thread and elsewhere scream “misogynist”. As goes a famous movie line: you can’t handle the truth.
And now we can add to your ridiculous claims, you can read the mind of every woman you’ve ever met in person. Of course no woman you’ve met thought of you as misogynistic… especially all those women you claim want to be your friend, then you tell them they have to have sex with you. Nope, no misogyny there. 😂
You go down in flames trying to justify and explain yourself. FYI, there is a new Supreme Court Justice who couldn't define what a woman is, and you want ME to do it? You do it first and then we will count your biases. LOL
You call me a misogynist based on this thread and other posts, but you don't link any examples except your OWN interpretation of what I said in ONE post here, which doesn't work unless everyone takes YOUR interpretation as correct, and most here are too smart for that, so I call more of your made-up bullshit. The women I have dated will tell you that no one treats a woman as well as I do. That's why the demand. You obviously wouldn't understand because you have to work to get women to be your friends. I have too many. If you would like some of my rejects, I'll be happy to point them your way. Now, stop complaining and live you own life. You can't be me, so get over it, dude.
writing in your own defense you then say you have "too many" female friends. You go on to dub the ones you don't keep as friends as "my rejects."
I rest my case. But thanks for the help.
I actually have more male wannabe friends that are "rejects" than female. There is no reason to keep male friends who are boring. I said why I will keep female friends, so yet another example of me NOT being a misogynist, by treating everyone the same. Should I send the excess gals to stupid Stevie and send the boring guys to you? Lol
If you are saying that you would NEVER reject a friend-zone relationship with any woman for any reason, I would call bullshit. You've referred to enough women here BSC who I know you would not be friends with. I know you have standards and are not as desperate as Stevie.
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I could never be you. Nor would I ever want to be.
when you would be out of your league is an admirable attribute. Kudos.
Sometimes you really are hilarious. If you weren’t around, it would be a shame because of all the entertainment we’d miss as you twist and turn through these threads.
to make fun of my low-experience trolls here. The difference is people laugh WITH me, and they laugh AT you. I hope telling you this does not deter you from continuing to be that guy in the audience that comedians love to make fun of. It never turns out well for the guy in the audience, but many are too stupid to realize just how bad they come out of these exchanges. At least SOME of my trolls take a break after a beating. You just get back up and say, "Hit me again." Glad to comply. Lol That kind of puts you at the bottom of the troll pecking order. Nevertheless, always glad to have you as the butt of my jokes. It fits you and you wear it well. What do you think is the next thing you should do? LMAO
that I’m not you nor anything resembling you. That would be a sentence worse than death.
mediocrity is almost complete. Keep going, you are almost there.
As to your comment, I agree, you are not the kind of guy who would be comfortable with women hitting on you. You know you are unworthy and just reek of insecurity, so retaining their interest is a non-starter for you. Go ahead, one more mediocre comeback and your fall will be complete. The fun thing is, you don't have a clue you are crashing and burning, do you?
The best example I can think of is when trolls like you make yourselves feel superior by posting endless streams of shit about others.
And you have no clue that the only thing you’re accomplishing is making yourself look like an asshole.
So you call me an asshole? Yes, I'm an asshole, but I'm an equal-opportunity asshole. I was an asshole WAY before yo called me one. It's because I treat everyone the same, unless they attack me, then I usually give more back than I get, as you have learned. A lot of shit starts because of humorless people here. This is supposed to be a fun escape, so I try to keep it light and funny. I make a joke about a double-meaning, and they are too uptight to see the humor in what they said, and they become an insecure, defensive troll. Sound familiar?
I write three kinds of posts, 1) informational (based on my extensive experience in P4P; 2) Strickly-for-laughs (a little humor breaks the ice for a lot of new people); and 3) controversial (controversy stimulates discussion, debate and the exchange of ideas). All of this doesn't make me feel superior, it just makes by feel like, along with my reviews, I'm making a contribution to the TER community and not just taking up space like some here (sound familiar?).
I attacked you first. I'm always responding to your attacks. You start shit, and then when you get bitch-slapped, you complain about personal attacks. Pretty rich, Stevie, but not very mature. In case you can't find it, here's a link to where it started on THIS thread. You took the first shot. We can go through thread after thread, and it's going to be the same thing.
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coming, when there’s room, Mr. Tissue-Paper-Skin.
I had sex my all my ex wives male friends, just wanted to make sure they were really gay. Arduous task but someone had to do it.
I tried to set Stupid Stevie up for a punch line, but he has no sense of humor and takes everything here soooo seriously. Thanks for the laugh. I like that there are still guys here for the fun and camaraderie that comes with the shared love of beautiful women who will rent us their pussies.
I have a real love for my longest friend who started as a client & now we have evolved into something, so much more after over a decade.
I don't think a client has ever developed feelings for me in the form of "falling in love", but I have formed good relationships in the form of passionate friendships. On my end there have been a few times I thought to myself "oh I wish this guy was single", or found myself liking someone to the point I may have romanticized a little but quickly pushed those silly thoughts out of my head since they aren't good for anyone. The hobby is meant to be only for fun. Rendezvous temporary. And sometimes fantasy is better than reality so while I may have wondered a time or two what dating a certain client would be like, I kept it to myself and did not pursue such a notion.
Friendship and OTC time doing things around town, indeed. Never had one fall in love, nor have I. I would think that it wouldn't be good for either of you. Just my two cents...
I’ve definitely heard of it happening can’t fight love
But some have told me that they get jealous over my reviews...Is that a part of "love", I dunno. Not into thinking too deeply about the emotions that run it's course here.
Jealous that you are giving some of your money to other women rather than giving it all to them. Lol
Ngl, there was one provider with who I also had a great OTC relationship. I'd always get a little jealous if I'd read a really good review about her. It wasn't that it was another guy because if they were just ok reviews I didn't care. But when there were reviews where it seemed they had a better experience than me I'd get a bit jealous. Not like romantic jealousy more like my sister got a nicer present at Christmas jealousy.