I thought that was the whole point anyways!

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Sexual Providers are not employees to whom you pay a "wage", they are contractors to whom you pay a "fee".

Now if you would get pleasure out of giving her more money, and you feel she is worth it, (which you obviously do), then by all means do it. It's still not a raise and she is still not your employee, but who are we to tell you to not give her extra money, especially if it makes you both feel good?

My advice is to give her the extra money and flat out tell her how much you appreciate her, you might be surprised that she will likely appreciate the compliment even more than the extra money.

At the end of the year, if you do an above average performance on your job, your boss more then likely will give you a raise.

The thought came to me the other day, should I do the same with one of my ATF's?  I've seen this provider for about a year, and every time I see her, her performance gets better every time. Lets just say our first session, her performance was a 6, but now she is easily a 9.

Since I see her on a regular (once or twice week), when she tours, I've been given a nice rate she only offeres to her regulars. I'm suppose to be spending sometime with her today, & was wondering if I should add more on to her donation, with out saying anythng, or tell her she's been doing a great job so I thought I'd give you a little extra.

Grant it the reason I see this particular provider so much, is that it is too many LE stings, bait & switches, & providers who flake in this area. With her she has a I look that I like, is legit, with no BS, and I know exactly what to expect everytime I go to see her.

Question being would you, or have you guys ever given an ATF a raise that has not asked for one based on her overall above average? If so how much would you give.

Also ladies if you see a gent on a regular, at at fix rate would you expect a raise in the future? If so how muc?

But some long-time (grandfathered) clients have showed their appreciation by voluntarily paying my current rate.  This is appreciated and avoids her having to have that awkward money talk.  "Ummm... You know I like you and would like to keep seeing you.  But..."  

So if youd like to give her a raise, Id pay her going rate.

Nice Gifts are remembered a long time. Cash never is.

My ATF is an independent business woman who sets her own rates. So are all of the other indies out there. When they want to raise their rates they will.  They aren't going to wait around for you or any other client to give them a "raise".

If I see a my ATF on a regularly, I pay her the regular fee. I have been offered special discounts, but why, I mean, its only $50 less. And, I feel that I am somehow cheating her for it. Ask to your comment with the raise, well, I tip all of the providers I see. I mean, I tip all of them. Well, excluding the ones that score below my expectations and does a mediocre session. But, any 7 in performance deserve a tip, at least that's just me.

With my ATF however, I tip them handsomely, its usually an extra bill every time. I make that a standard practice because I feel that I am not paying them enough money. For example, I don't think $300 is adequate for a mind blowing experience. Then, they gotta pay the agency, spend money on who knows, so, the tip has its purpose.

So, I am not sure if I consider it a raise, but its a hell of a good tip everytime, and they always seem so grateful. Sometimes, I like to tease them, and reach inside my pocket and get some dollar bills, and look at them, and say, oh, looks like I forgot to bring extra money. Then they tell me, its alright baby, you don't have to tip me. Then I tell them, oh yeah, that's right, its in my other pocket. Then they start clapping their hands,  praising and thanking me. I am a big teaser, cause I like a laugh. Anyways, I call it a nice tip, you may call it a raise. Whatever the case may be, treat those ladies right, they deserve it.

interesting way of thinking about it..
I do tend to call them back, if they do a good job, offer to feed them lunch, Buy drinks for them and make sure that they have a clean, Happy working enviroment..

The Extra's go along way. They treat me well and do the little things for free and I am so glad to call them back again.. Guess you could call me a Contractor when I have on my Jessica shoes...
I too love and appreciate the extra's

You are a sweetheart Us ladies definitely appreciate your generosity.

She insisted she was fine with it & happy to see me.  After a year, I bumped the donation to her then currant rate...  which is comparable to others whose services I employ.
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Not sure why but ladies who are comfortable with me tend to give me lower rates all the time. Maybe I look broke and I get into their motherly nurturing side? Or Maybe cuz I'm prince charming who sweep them off their feet? Lol

In fact I think I started doing the "match to market rates" after you told me about all those grand fathered cheap guys  you cut off like T_Rex's dick. Lmfao

We want to give the good guys a discount for visiting so frequently or grandfather them low because of their long time patronage.

But a year later, that grandfathered crap gets old.

Who is she going to prioritize?  Her faithful, low dollar client or the new high dollar one?  Its just an awkward situation and the low dollar guy inevitably winds up getting bumped.

So, yes, a great solution is for a guy to enjoy the discount for a few visits, but then pay market voluntarily, to keep himself in a good place.

Would hopefully try to learn what works mutually before they get bumped lol

But your still gonna give me that freebie pass you promised last year, right?  

Hello!!

First of all, thank you for being thoughtful enough to even wonder about this.  Her performance is probably getting better because she's getting more comfortable with you, you're developing a rapport, etc.  If she's offering you a lower rate because you're regular, and that's coupled with your time together getting better and better, it's a safe bet that she likes you. And, who doesn't like that???  

What I appreciate as an entertainment provider is when someone shows their gratitude by slipping an extra few dollars into the gift jar.  Quietly.  Believe me, we notice when someone leaves a tip, and it IS appreciated and noted.  However, it can be awkward when a production is made out of it, because it puts pressure on us to be really effusive with our gratitude, and we're never sure how you want us to approach it beyond a smile and a sincere "thank you".  

If I were you, I would just start slipping a little extra donation in when you can.  She'll know why you're doing it and what it's for.  And, if you'd rather keep it to an occasional tip rather than a steady "raise", you might try bringing her a non-monetary gift such as a gift card from somewhere that she likes to shop or something.  That way, if you tip one time, but not the next, she's less likely to wonder if the last tip was a mistake, or if her performance this time wasn't as good as last.

As for the person who posted that the fellows who get grandfathered in for a lower rate... they suggested that the grandfathered boys will start getting shoved aside for the newer guys who are paying more.  For myself, I would have to disagree.  I'll take a cheaper, reliable regular over a possibly flaky-no-shower newbie any day of the week.  

Just 2 cents worth of my humble opinion.

Mistress Storm

I mean I (we) tip every one else, hair dressers, cab drivers, waitresses, golf starters, I mean I tip the guy who handles my clubs, why not tip the girl that clubs my handle.

See, the thing about providers is, you don't want to tip them in an amount that make you look thrifty. I mean, you already paid her $300, and an extra $20 is really nothing. If I was gonna tip, even if I didn't have enough money, I'll just give her $60 or something like that. I mean, with $60, at least you know that she can fill her gas tank. But, with $20, it really ain't too much she can do with that, you know what I mean.

Tipping providers can be tricky, its not like tipping the cab driver a couple of dollars. I mean, we did just fucked after all. And, I somewhat feel obligated to helping her with her future expenses.

I always ask my providers to dress a certain way when we meet, both new ones and ones I've seen before.
And I will tip them in appreciation if they fulfill my wishes, otherwise I don't.

and really don't plan on it.  Gifts during the year, check!.  Nice Christmas gift, check! birthday present, check. She runs a special once in awhile, I see the ad, I don't ask for the special, check. Last minute "life gets in the way of our time together" phone call from her, no problem for me, check.  

And to the guy who listed all those occupations he tips, just lets say they don't make $300 plus an hour like escorts make.

Nope...I don't give a gal a raise.  That is her responsibility to increase her rates.

so she sets her rates. only she can give herself a raise. you can, of course, give her a gift. just don't start thinking of it as a bonus!

UNLESS of course she hasfiled a W-2 with you, then all bets are off and yes please give her a raise. LOL!

I can't see giving a lady more money than she was already contracted for, to perform what she was contracted for, especially when that hour rate is more than most people make in a day.

Now of course I've been known to buy meals and drinks, toys from a fuck store we went to, and gave money for cruising me around, ie, picking me up from/taking me to the airport. But those were OTC and didn't get into the time we originally contracted for.

Hey, I'm a nice guy. I'll do this and that with you. But if you wanna quibble about the time I pay to see you, I'll opt for nekkid time and you can go feed yourself on my dime on your time.

so I generally don't take advantage of their "specials" and leave them bigger amount.  I don't say anything about it at the time, just let them be pleasantly surprised by the extra.  There's another great gal who grandfathered me retroactively to a much lower rate.  I took advantage of it once but have decided if I see her again I'm giving her more because she's worth it.  Am I a chump?  To some, probably, but I can afford it, so who gives a shit.  Everybody's happy.
PS: What makes me laugh is guys who, for whatever reason, treat providers like whores then wonder why they get lousy service.

I know of at least one lady you would take advantage of a special rate if she offered it!

Business owners don't get real raises but they do try to improve profitability of said business, thus raising their income. But it is her job to figure out how to do that and that could be by raising her rates. The thing is that is on her not you. Feel free to tip, but that is what it is, a tip not a raise.

Just be honest about the grandfathering having an expiration date. Not doing so does both you and your client you enjoy a disservice. Your clients should not have to try and guess at what you need or over pay out of fear of offending you just because being straight with them makes you awkward. I have to have rate talks with some of my clients too. It is part of business.

I work in a service industry. I'm salary, and I get paid the same if I work 50 hours or 60 hours. But, the more I do, the more I make. Sound familiar?

My accounts don't write the checks out to MP, but to the place I work for, though I'm responsible for every aspect, even the ones I have no control over.

My point is, though I'm a contractor per se, I have way much more overhead than you do.

Granted, I'm not 100 lbs and have to face a big ol' fat bastard that wants my body for an hour or so, you have more control over who you want to sell your wares to. And as you and most of the other ladies rates, you can afford to pick and choose who you want as clients whereas the schlubs like me have to take what we can get so we can make that money to go see you ladies.

Does that make any sense?

To tell you the truth, unless a guy is abusive to you, or short changes you, I can't feel sorry for you. You're getting paid to get laid. Wish I was.

We can go on about this if you like? I'd rather not fight with you because I respect you and hope to meet you one day.

I just think you know me well enough that when I have an opinion I'm going to express it.

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but she didn't.

No I don't provide do to the fact I haven't found a women willing to pay and unlike you, I am not into men. Not that there is anything wrong with your love of cock. I have had ladies raise there price and let me know what they expected from me. There was nothing awkward about it.

I also provide contract work at few of my enterprises that I have been known to "grandfather" a few clients for a short while to ease the transition to the new rate. Thing is any business has to be up front with how much the expect to be paid. Escorting is a business and it needs to be treated as such. If I ran my business like some of these women ran theirs I would be out of business in six months.

This was not her first rant about regretting grandfathering clients. She needs to woman up and be upfront with her clients about what she wants out of them, and that includes payment. Guessing games lead to drama, drama is what many pay to avoid. I have had a special rate with a few ladies and ever so often I check to see if it is still correct.

There is nothing awkward about a simple statement the next time he books going something like this, "Honey, I have given you a break for the last few months as you are one of my favorites, but I need my full rate going forward even though I love you company. Are we still on for are date on date/time?" Simple and fixes the problem. No one has to guess at what is expected. It is called being upfront and honest in your business dealings and it reduces awkwardness.

It just irks me how some tend to blame the other when they are not clear with their expectations. Dropping a loyal client because because you can't communicate isn't good business practice. Honest Providers clients have reason to be very annoyed with her and the way she seems to run her business. I hate guessing games. They show a lack of respect and honesty.

Posted By: BillionaireSomeday

you have rate talks? i always knew you provided to men. lol  eom

Posted By: scoed

Just be honest about the grandfathering having an expiration date. Not doing so does both you and your client you enjoy a disservice. Your clients should not have to try and guess at what you need or over pay out of fear of offending you just because being straight with them makes you awkward. I have to have rate talks with some of my clients too. It is part of business.

Good quality if precious in this business. We as hobbyists must show financial appreciation for top flight providers.

She may be able to instead say take day off before you come from now on and be that much better at the performance she is already givin you. Def raise. You want her to well rested and energized and not over worked right? Def give that gal a raise. I am comn from escort stand point couurse i am goin to say that.

I have, VERY rarely, experienced having a man give me a "raise".  In each case it was someone I've known for several years, and they did so because they suddenly got a better job or a substantial raise themselves.  

It is far more common to "match" the rate rather than raise it.  If someone has been grandfathered and my rates have risen substantially since we met, they are likely to give more when they are in a financial position to do so.

More often, around a birthday, Christmas, or major purchase (car, home, about to go on vacation etc...) a gentlemen will give me an unexpected cash gift that is substantial.

I never expect a gift of generosity or "raise".  However, when they are given, it leaves a distinct impression that is never forgotten.  It sends the message "I care about your financial well being", which many do not.  Such actions set a man apart from the crowd.

These gifts can anywhere from 500 - 5,000 (I knew a woman who got a 10k gift once).  As far as a raise, usually somewhere in the neighbourhood of $50 per hour, or for long bookings something like  500 in addition.




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