As far as I know, I've never been in such an intimate setting with an armed person. It was frightening to me, to see the gun attached to his hip. My discomfort was visible, I guess, because he nodded that he hoped I wasn't afraid, but I was. I wanted to ask him to leave,  but he had a gun.. and I was naked.. and what if he didn't want to leave?  

Well, I would say what an inconsiderate guy that was, and how inappropriate it was for a date, but considering all of the bad things that happen to a guy these days, can't blame him.
You never know what you are walking into...

Well--Many of the Gal's have guns----But.....I don't think carrying a gun in an open carry on a visit to a gal is the best way to have the best time !!

What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session ?
Geesh

What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date, especially with someone he's never met before!  That just blows my mind. I would never conceive of doing that. If I felt that unsafe, I'd never have booked the session in the first place.  

This is your place not his and you set the rules!
He really needed a gun on a fuck date??
It's clear this guy wanted to intimidate you and be a asshole.
The next time ask him to leave the gun at home or no dates in the future with you.  

You don't say enough about this guy, and Nimm and Homer immediately dismissed the guy as "What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session?" and "What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date,"  

Sounds like an insecure douche who thinks his gun makes him look suave. Some guys stop aging emotionally at 14. Pretty much the last guys who should be walking around armed. James Bond was a character in a book/movie - some guys just don't understand the difference between that and real life.

Why in the world would someone feel the need to bring a gun to a verified provider's incall??
I'm guessing that he had to have done some research on you before hand, what danger would he feel like he would have been in by seeing you?

On one occasion (outcall to my hotel) we were chatting towards the end, after we both got dressed and we got on the topic of safety. That's when she opened her purse and showed me her piece.

Typical NRA gun nut! Either that or he works in LE and afraid to leave his gun in the car. Last time somebody did that his gun got stolen and was used to killed a tourist in San Francisco.

Nothing against guns but at least have the curtsey of telling me.

Oh where to start...

We are all making a bunch of assumptions here, so I'll just explain mine further.  

Floxie has some Moxie..

I also brought a stun gun disguised as a cell phone as a gift. She was being harassed by a pimp who was trying to recruit her and she was scared. I brought the revolver to show her what she might want to get.
This, of course, isn't like springing a visit with a firearm on my hip w/o her expecting it. To do that is stupid and inconsiderate

Not all of us live in such a safe place as Chicago where personal carry by qualified persons is unnecessary.

I mean, he must have thought it could have potentially been an issue, especially since you could clearly see it. Or maybe he's never run into the issue before....either way, a heads up would be nice to avoid an awkward situation.

How about nuclear weapons?  Do you think they're neat?

I couldn't understand why he'd need a gun either.. for a naked date with 115 lb woman. It was really intimidating, and I don't know if that was intent or not, but I will never see him again.

I don't really care why he was carrying a gun..  I deserve to know that I'm alone, vulnerable in a room, with an armed person. And I get to decide that I don't want to be in that situation. And no, I wouldn't have seen him, and I get to make that decision, too. There may be providers that happily see men that are armed, he should seek them out.. it was a really scary place to be for me, and not something I ever want to experience again.

I leave it in the car.   If it's an outcall to my hotel room, I'll have it secured and concealed (probably in the room safe...).

I've known plenty of cowboys, sportsmen, avid hunters in my life, and that's all fine and dandy, but all these 20 year old white male virgins who are pissed they can't get a girlfriend keep going on rampages and killing dozens of innocent people.  And Chicago thugs killing people EVERY.SINGLE.DAY over a $10 Baggie of weed or what color you're wearing in the wrong neighborhood.  I'm so disgusted with guns, and yes the bad guys ruin it for all the nice, law abiding trophy hunters out there.  I get it.  But something's got to give.

What on earth do you need mortal defense from so badly?

And strength of character when faced with obstacles and rejection in life, rather than false machismo of packing guns and playing John Wayne from the Wild West.  

As for a provider having a weapon, I always assume she does. A gun, mace, proper spray, taser, something. I think sll providers should have some type of weapon and be trained to use them.

I surrender!  I give up on almost all the points!  I never said the was right in what he did. I tried to explain his [no adjective] behavior, but I'll say it explicitly now: He was wrong to put you in that situation without some kind of prior discussion or approval.

Then we can sit and talk guns, and maybe go for target-practice later!  

I'd shop elsewhere

But surely the ladies are impressed. And believe it or not, sometimes bad people do bad things in good places. Shocking I know.

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All the above and more !!!  Assume she is packin' !!!  And in some neighborhoods-the boy friend in the next room or in the hall way is packin' too !!

The only truth here is that the mass killings will not stop.  Obama was right about one thing and that is these killings are becoming routine.  It's a shame that we can put a stop to a lot of this, but the political culture won't allow it.  

but considering there are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, many of which are already in the hands of criminals who aren't about to give them up, I think I will keep mine until you figure out a way to get rid of all the rest of them.

if they wished someone was armed to stop the vile asshole from shooting them . . .  

A woman after my own heart

I've been carrying a gun (reasons are personal) for nearly 30 years. I don't carry into the homes of people I don't know, people I know don't like guns, or into a private intimate meeting with someone I don't know. It's just not the right thing to do.

Dads buy the guns to hunt or because "it's their God-given right to buy as many as they want!"  And it makes Dad feels like a MAN!  Alrighty.  Good for you Dad.  How about your 18 year old son who lives in your basement and won't go outside because he's too engrossed in playing Dungeons and Dragons?

I was raised around guns, my dad was one of those guys who had a SHITLOAD of guns, but he taught me from a young age on how to handle them, and more importantly to respect the killing potential of every firearm and that they were not toys to be played with, but serious business, not to be feared, but definitely to be respected. Because of that early training I am completely comfortable around guns, they hold no mystery to me, they are simply tools and just like a chainsaw or a sharp knife, a tool to be handled very carefully.

And eachothers kids, babymommas, and mothers.

Playing John Wayne is what kids without a proper father to teach them firearm safety do with guns.

You might still take a position in the library where you would have a clear view if some lunatic walks in with a machine gun, but you'd be a lot more secure in the fact that you would have a fighting chance to save not only your own life, but the lives of others.

Maybe whether your father is MIA, passive, or actively involved in the kids lives, especially with boys who have access to guns, may make a difference.  We can't get rid of the guns, no.  They're everywhere.  But holy crap.  Guys know when their son is a little "off".  I'm not talking about healthy boys who are well trained with firearms.  Anyway, you know what I'm saying.

I wear skin tight dresses and carry a small purse.

One guy said that when he was finally in a position to do something he didn't because the police had arrived and he didn't want to be mistaken for the bad guy. Most people packing for protection aren't prepared to actually shoot accurately and effectively in a dangerous situation.

It's not only about being able to kill your attacker, but the potential innocents killed by stray bullets. It's easier to miss your target than hit it.

he just doesn't know it. Take lessons, buy yourself a gun, carry your permit, you're set. Its there if you need to use it. People are fucking nuts these days

How sharp is your accuracy? Can you hit a moving target? What gauge bullet are you packing - are you prepared to deal with your stray bullet(s) killing someone in the next room? In close quarters, are you confident (through practice, not imagination) that you'll be able to get an accurate, crippling/deadly shot off before your attacker restrains you?

lessons aka proper training

and most of us seem to drive well enough.

There should be two standards, one is gun ownership in ones own home  and the other to be able to legally carry a weapon in public. Lot's of constitutional rights have to be weighed against the interest of public safety. I don't want a bunch of Barney Fifes packing heat any more than you do.

There are too many people who think that spending a little time shooting at targets at the range is enough preparation to be effective in a dangerous situation. The fact is that the untrained usually freeze, hesitate and miss (a lot) - which can lead to collateral damage and getting killed. In a mass shooting situation, they risk adding to the confusion, getting mistaken for the bad guy, and again, collateral damage!

Just seems like the probability is so high that it would make the provider uncomfortable that it's not in one's interest to bring it to an appointment. Or if one must, make it a true "concealed carry" and try to make sure she doesn't see it. What OP described sounded more like someone trying to project an image than protect himself.

The best way to survive a gun battle is to go for center mass. Let Billy the Kid try shooting the gun out of the bad guy's hand. My goal is to survive and the best way to survive is to make sure the other guy never gets up.

But as we all know, life doesn't always follow the script. If you've never bothered with physically running through some attacker exercises then you're really flying blind and you can't be confident that you'll react exactly how you imagine. I hope you never have to face such a dangerous situation, but you may want to look into booking some time with a self-defense expert

He may very well have "the right" to carry a gun (the merits of which are an entirely different issue), but I cannot imagine anyone with an IQ over 30 thinking that that's an okay thing to do in such a setting. I don't blame you for being scared, and if I were you I'd blacklist the shit out of him. That's terrifying.  

I assume that's obvious. But then again you keep blabbing things that should be obvious to anyone responsible enough to carry. Everything necessary to be stated was in my first post. You must like to listen to yourself talk is my conclusion.  

what guys here don't project an image. most do. gun or not

i think our floxie is a guy..

I carry a gun for self defense, and the defense of anyone with me. I don't carry to protect others. That's a cop's job. They have union-paid attorneys to defend against wrongful death civil suits. I don't, and I'm not willing to spend the $50K required for an attorney in such a suit because I fired to protect someone I didn't know (and who very possibly opposes my right to carry)

You don't know if the person you shoot is going to die or not. As GAGambler said, you shoot for center of mass. Maybe the guy dies, maybe not. He  forfeited his right to life when he endangered yours.  

along with replies that you obviously didn't agree with.  

I've met my share of idiots who think that a basic gun safety course and an afternoon at the range is enough preparation for engaging an armed assailant. The problem with your post is that you fail to elaborate on the "lessons" you've taken. There's enough ignorance regarding guns and self-defense that it's irresponsible for you to blithely promote gun ownership. Duh!

From boogeymen.

killing anyone except that thug Trayvon (if Obama had a son . . . .   Dumbass brought fists to a gun fight he picked.

There is no problem with my post as it was intended for those who are responsible enough and do know what it takes to be a responsible armed owner. Elaboration isn't necessary for those who understand true gun safety. The only ignorance evident is assuming I am not one of them when you don't know me from Adam

There seems to be this obsession with protecting yourself from "this guy" who's going to attack you.

I would be dead today if on one certain day many years ago I was not carrying a firearm. Sorry your argument doesn't hold any weight with me, and I am quite thankful I make my own decisions in life rather than listen to some woman who thinks I carry a gun to feel "manly" I carry a gun with the same emotion that I carry a hammer. It's a tool, plain and simple

And you know that MANY guys are gung-ho about guns to boost their own sense of masculity, despite their claims of  needing protection against some imaginary, imminent attacker.

but I am far from uncommon in the fact that I treat a gun just like any other tool. There are millions of gun owners like me. I am sorry you have bought into the leftwing, anti gun rhetoric spread by people who just don't understand gun ownership and are terrified by it, choosing to rely on other people (ie the police) 100% to protect them from harm.  

Boys! There is plenty of room in the sandbox for all of us. I have a concealed carry...and for the record, I'd only shoot one of you ; )

Ask him to go put his gun in his car you are uncomfortable. I know you were scared shitless and are pretty young. He was totally out of line to do this without your knowledge.    

would have welcomed anyone who was armed to try to stop the monster.  What's to train?  Shoot the bad guy center-mass and shoot until you are empty, then reload.  It simply ain't that hard.  The vast majority of gun owners are responsible and safe.

why do we seek small guns to carry? The psychobabble about the reasons people own guns is boring.  

You displayed your gun to scare "him" off.

I have no problem with people having an opinion, but they should at least have an educated opinion. You comments have no bearing on the discussion since you obviously have not a clue about firearms... bullets do not come in gauges, they come in caliber.. shotguns come in gauges (a measure of the diameter of the barrel).

There was no imagination needed. If I'd stabbed someone without cause, I would be a felon and wouldn't be able to legally own guns. It was justified.

I grew up shooting bolt-action rifles on a range, then carried a pistol for a job I had.  But it always felt like a bomb on my hip about to explode.  Silly, right?  I was in favor of strong gun laws and I despise the NRA.  
But there are some other realities that can't be ignored.  There are around 300 million guns in this country and it's going to stay that way.  The political situation means no meaningful legislation on background checks can be passed.  
There are also some crazy people in this country, plus terrorists who would love to kill us.
So my choice is to arm myself.  I'm currently making arrangements to retrieve a pistol I'd lent to someone and become licensed to keep it in my home and take it to a range.  I will get schooled in its proper and safe use and maintenance.  I'll be sure to store it safely and may also get a shotgun.  I won't be displaying them to anyone except any person who breaks into my home with intent to do me bodily harm, in which case they will be displayed business end first.  I have no intention of carrying them to a public place and playing vigilante if someone starts randomly shooting people.  I'll keep my head down, try to protect those around me and hope the cops get there in time.  No matter how well-trained I can make myself, I'd be too afraid I'd kill an innocent bystander by mistake.  I could not live with that on my conscience.  I hope you're OK with that.  Actually, no, that was just sarcasm.  Everyone has to find their own way here.

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Come on. LWAV doesn't need you to bail him out does he? Really?

If you read what I posted I never supported bringing a weapon into a ladies incall. I've never done it and never will. As a student now do I carry one in my car AND in my book bag in clear violation of school policy? Hell yes I do. Under threat of expulsion. One of my upper level classes is on The Holocaust. Of course Jews were not allowed to own weapons.  

Uses an alias to opine which is certainly his/her right. I just find it curious.

Troll post maybe, but not a threAD.

I don't carry a weapon in anticipation of taking down a mass murderer before the cops get there. I carry a weapon for my own defense and I would have a very hard time living with myself if I were to kill an innocent bystander in a misguided attempt to be a "hero" That doesn't mean I wouldn't act if put in that kind of situation, I am just saying that sometimes inaction is sometimes the best action depending on the circumstances.

I have been following this story.  I read that armed individual did what I feel is the right thing...  secured the room he was in & proteced the occupants rather than walking into a a gun fight in progress.  Another person tragically left the security of a locked room to see what was happening & was immediately gunned down in the hall.    
 

Long ago, I had a job which required me to be armed.  I was not brought up in a shooting household though I had a 22 rifle at a reasonable age.   I did not hobby at that time in my life, but i did spend considerable time at a GF (later financee's home) with her 2 boys.  
Guns have safety devises built in.  Proper holsters have additional safety featurs built in (covered trigger guard & some type of retainer are safety features).   Whether using the facilities, having dinner with them or staying the night, my loaded gun remained in it's holster...  often on a peg in her bedroom.    
If he had a CC permit, for a properly holstered firearm...  it would NOT freak me out.  People with permits have had at least their records checked & would be anxious to avoid any situation which might give them a record.    
I'd not carry into a place where the person in control (home or hotel room) prefers I not...    

Just why wouldn't you lock your firearm in your vehicle? and what do you do when entering a "gun free" zone?  I live in Texas where it's been illegal forever to bring a firearm into any place where alcohol is served, which means most decent restaurants. What would you have me do, stay out of restaurants, break the law, or lock my gun in my car?

Don't show up and gently tell me that you're armed. That's not gentle, to me. It's frightening.

I still remember qualifying on both silhouettes and bull's eyes with my service revolver, a .38 Colt Detective Special.  Meant to be carried concealed, it has only a 2-inch barrel and is very inaccurate.  I managed to get enough in the black to qualify, but it was obvious the gun was mostly useless beyond 10 feet.  In a crowd it would be as big a danger to bystanders as to the criminal being shot at.
I'm glad they are no longer being used.