To me they are highly paid individuals, and tipping should be reserved for low wage earners is my fundamental philosophy. I also don't tip my CPA, Doctor, Lawyer etc.
I'd rather take $100 and spread out to 5 of my favorite bartenders and give them a little extra $20 after a nice meal than tip these highly paid entitled bitches who don't think their shit stinks.
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I'll preface this with I tip 99% of the time. I'm in hospitality and it's just what I do. Idc if others do or not, personal choices and all.
But the other day was the first time a provider straight up, as were getting dressed, flat out say "so you got a tip for me?". It ruined what was otherwise a cool encounter. She made it into the 1% of providers who didn't get a tip. And I was looking forward to a repeat but immediately changed my mind on that.
Tips should be freely offered, and gratefully accepted.. I have always tipped. But, if the service or attitude is lacking, from now on , forget it. I’m paying what the provider set as her fee. I’m not financially able to tip even the worst.
Despite my finances, I will patronize providers I can afford with a tip included.
It’s virtually 100% that the least deserving are the ones that ask.
Since so many ads/sites clearly say 'put the money in an envelope and leave in the bathroom' or whatever, I would NEVER feel comfortable handing them cash and I didn't think they would want me to. Even after the session. Should I tip? How much?
For payment I do place money in bathroom or where instructed. Tip I'll hand to them direct. You definitely don't have to, I just pretty much always tip for most services because I lived off tips when I was younger.
I never hand them cash. I always bring two envelopes. One with the exact amount of the stated rate, that I'll leave in plain view. And then a second (approximately 10%) that, if I feel its warranted, I'll make a show of dropping it on the way out.
However, I also like to buy gifts (usually something to wear). So, if I bring a gift, I'll eliminate/adjust the tip.
And you can put the tip down on a table if it makes who uncomfortable handing it to a lady.
Just saying...
Steph XO
Well, the tip is given after you've done the deed, so there's no need for caution anymore at that point.
Since so many ads/sites clearly say 'put the money in an envelope and leave in the bathroom' or whatever, I would NEVER feel comfortable handing them cash and I didn't think they would want me to. Even after the session. Should I tip? How much?
this will not happen. The only time I experienced it, was at AMP's where sexual activities were also offered, but that was years ago. Low-end providers just assume their customers are never going to repeat, it's just the nature of a lower price point, so they are more prone to upselling and asking for tips. Since it's a deal-breaker for you, next time, ask her what she did that deserves a tip. Let her plead her case, and if you are convinced she should get one, give her a tip, if not, tell her that her argument was not persuasive. Either way, I still wouldn't see her again if I were you.
Lol other than the 2 in my other catfish thread I'm typically in the higher end of the market 800-1200/hr. This girl was $800/hr for covered everything. She was smoking hot, fun personality. Other than being a little taller than I prefer she was great....I'd 100% would've brought her back often if it wasn't for that demand for a tip. I think she's just young and tried to milk me.
I might just have her come back to see if she asks it again, or if service will be lacking since I didn't tip, so I can take you up on the recommendation of asking why she thinks she deserves a tip. After all she doesn't do bbbj, doesn't kiss, no DATY....but she does fuck like a champ lmao
Say, "yeah I got a tip. for 800 I want a damn kiss at least!" and head for the door lol
I see a lady who visits my area every couple of months. I read one of her recent reviews and the reviewer stated that he tried to tip her but she refused the tip.
I shot her a text and asked her if that was true. She said it was and that her rate is high enough that she would never expect or accept a tip!
To me they are highly paid individuals, and tipping should be reserved for low wage earners is my fundamental philosophy. I also don't tip my CPA, Doctor, Lawyer etc.
I'd rather take $100 and spread out to 5 of my favorite bartenders and give them a little extra $20 after a nice meal than tip these highly paid entitled bitches who don't think their shit stinks.
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In my P4P career, I've tipped only when I felt the service was better than the price might indicate. Which is to say I've occasionally tipped a k-girl whose service is as good as providers charging twice as much.
With the current rates in LA, and with ladies uncharging 4-500 for specialties such as anal or duos, I don't do any tipping. I figure, like some restaurants and hotels, the tip has already been priced in.
In the handful of cases where a lady asked for a tip, I refused and immediately put her on the No-Fly List. Funny how those were all ladies who provided mediocre service.
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there is an "upcharge" for duos is because there are TWO girls? Saying, "I don't do any tipping. I figure, like some restaurants and hotels, the tip has already been priced in" sounds like a weak justification to be cheap. Hotels and restaurants "itemize" when a service charge is included in the bill. If it's not itemized, it's not included. This is a weak , if not ridiculous, analogy when providers do not present you with a bill at the end of the session showing you whether OR NOT a tip is built into the price. That is a unilateral decision you are making for your own benefit in order to justify your cheapness to yourself. Nobody else will buy it. I'm embarrassed for you. Go ahead and tell this to a provider face to face at the end of the session, i.e., that you don't tip because you believe it's built into the price, and see what her reaction is. Lol
That would explain your explosion.
Consider…
* Some providers DO have an upcharge for duos that’s IN ADDITION to the fee for the other provider. I prefer to do duos with providers who are so excited about getting fun time with each other that they have a special duos rate that’s LESS than their combined regular individual rates, or at least no more than their regular combined individual rates, plus a travel charge if applicable.
* Many hotels and restaurants do automatically “price in” tips. It’s more common in restaurants, I think, but it happens in hotels too.
* The OP said he DOES tip providers. Just not in every case, e.g. when there’s already a $400-500 upcharge. Do you tip every provider, every time? I don’t.
I don’t know why that particular post got you so upset, but maybe you need to take a break and relax… go get laid, maybe 🙂.
I didn't see his response because I have him on ignore and anything I post seems to drive him crazy. In 25+ years on TER, I've never seen anyone have such a hardon for me. I keep trying to tell him he's not my type.
you get your arm torn off, like this cheapshot lie on the link below you posted on the Regional board. I came back and called you out, and got nothing but crickets from you as you went crying home. When you come out of the blue and attack someone, don't you think you are going to get hit back? You are such a phony tool.
So YOU have been on TER 25+ years? That's amazing considering that TER was started on October 24, 1999, which is only 23 years ago. Then you have 33 reviews, 32 of which are within the past few years. You are quite the player and expert when it comes to P4P, aren't you. Lol For the record, no one has a hard on for you, you just reap what you sow from me.
Only cowards personally attack people they have on ignore and then act like they are the victim. Now you've been exposed as a liar on multiple counts. Go ahead and try to walk it back.
sophisticated guy. How many hotels or restaurants have you been to where they add a service charge to the bill and DON'T TELL YOU? If you look at your restaurant check, if the tip is mandated, it will be a line item on the bill that is plainly stated. (In the cases where a tip is required, it's not really a tip, it's a service charge and is often stated as such, but it's NEVER a secret, it's always disclosed.) You don't have to guess if they are doing it or not. Hickster wants us to believe that providers are actually adding the tip themselves within their rate structure so he doesn't feel he needs to add anything on top of the posted rate. Are you REALLY buying this, i.e., that HE believes that providers are packing an additional fee for a tip into their posted rate? Only a moron would assume that it's the same as a restaurant where they show it on the bill. You know the difference. You should be calling him out, too. Put your bias aside, Steve, and let bygones be bygones.
To answer your question, . . . . YES, I do tip every provider every time. It's a personal service, and I ALWAYS tip those that provide personal services to me. On the rare occasion it's not that good, I don't repeat, but she still gets a tip. That's why I don't have any trouble getting good references from providers. The better your references are, the less you have to provide in the way of personal info to get screened. It's all worth it in the big picture. When a new provider is getting intel from one of my references, you don't think they ask the reference about whether I'm a tipper? I've even had some mention that hearing I was a tipper made up their mind to see me even though I did not fully cooperate with their requested screening.
I'm not upset, I see three providers a week on average, so I'm perpetually happy. Tomorrow is two hours with one of my favorite regulars. There is nothing Hickster can say that will spoil by day for tomorrow. After all, he's been on TER for 25+ years. Just ask him. Bwahahahahahaha
it’s crazy how non GFE providers charge 600.00 and up and don’t allow kissing, do bbbj and allow DATY, don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind seeing a non GFE, but the most i would pay for a non GFE is 500.00, I seen a non GFE about a month ago and her donations was 400.00 for the hour, so I gave her a 100.00 tip, but if I’m seeing a non GFE provider for 800.00, i will never leave her a tip even if she gave a awesome service!
636sd,
Let's make it clear for PROVIDERS & HOBBYISTS !!!! No matter what you do for a living. Asking a customer for a tip straight to his/her face.......Is just plain right out rude. PROVIDERS......When you do up your ADs on any site.......Make it clear that tipping is not required, But it's appreciated. HOBBYISTS......beware that most PROVIDERS rely on what you pay (And Yes nothing is FREE.) and TIPS are appreciated if you want the PROVIDER to take you at the last minute. PROVIDERS don't be rude by asking for tips.
But what if you're 71 year old decrepit guy like me? Isn't a tip recommended? After all, I'm making the lady put up with my disgustingness!
Do as you wish, I’m not going to argue or tell you that you are wrong.
I have been doing this since the 80’s, before the internet or services like TER even existed.
I have never once paid a “tip”.
I have also never been refused a return visit or a good recommendation.
And I have received the same level of service that you get when you “tip”.
Keep up these illusions that you will be more better special to the ladies if that floats your boat.
After all, you are paying for an illusion.
Who said anything about thinking you're gonna get better treatment if you tip? Or that you end up being special to the ladies?
I just tip as a matter of habit, I tip valets, at the car wash, at my corner store you can't tip on their system so at Christmas I give the workers a nice check. 99% of people I tip in life, including escorts, I'm never gonna see again. Idc how it affects them, I care how it makes me feel.
agree. Nothing makes you feel warmer than seeing the positive reactions to generous tipping. Usually, it's not expected, but they will remember you the next time they see you and will give you a better experience knowing you are a tipper, whether it's a sommelier, a provider, or the shoe-shine guy.
Read the very first response you got by coeur-de-lion .
That is exactly what I was talking about.
This is an illusion based lifestyle, that's what we are paying for, paying for without tipping I might add. If he and others like them want to believe that then more power to them. It's not really true but there ya go.
You sir I applaud. You know exactly why you are doing it and it is for you. I appreciate your honesty.
As I said, feel free to do whatever you want, tip away, I don't even want to change anyone's mind, I have many provider friends and them doing well is great.
Not one of them refuses to see me or has a lower standard of service for me despite my not "tipping".
experienced any downside to not tipping is because it doesn't look like you see Kgirls, whereas Kgirls (including Thai and Japanese agency girls) make up about 85-90% of the ladies I see. Even a staunch non-tipper like Helixir says he tips Kgirls because he believes they are underpaid to begin with. I applaud him for recognizing that.
In Kgirl-land, the girls tell the bookers who the generous tippers are, and they get some perks as a result, like priority in scheduling, which the best perk for me. Time is more of an issue than expense is for me participating in P4P. In order to get the time I want, bookers allow me to book as far as 6 days out, which is unusual with Kgirls. I never try to book the same day out of respect for my fellow mongers who may already have appointments scheduled. If I book a day or two before, a booker will sometimes tell me to give him 20 minutes to move things around, and he will get back to me to confirm my appointment. That's an accommodation that I guarantee a non-tipper will never get from a Kgirl booker. Tipping every girl I see is worth it if it sets the stage for me always getting the time I want for an appointment. When I retire, it may not be so important, but I don't like having dead time during work days, so making my schedule tight, including the time I need to see providers, takes priority for me. I won't bore you with the other perks, but there are others for high-volume customers who tip. Maybe others want to share what they are. If not, I can come back and list the rest.
Agreed CDL.....
Maybe just maybe....some handlers have an informal way of letting each other or their gals know who is generous, nice, clean, respectful.....and.....those who are not.....
Just a hunch..... If any of you ever had any wait staff of especially bartenders as friends......tell me that you didn't get treated extra nice when you tipped well.... Forget friends, just being known as a generous person.......usually you get tons back...... My wife once asked me why the hell I tipped my regular bartender 30%+ the one time that she joined me. I told her to look at the bill and she noticed that the total didn't mesh with everything we had. Basically I got the equivalent back 3x in drinks.....
I've noticed that my requests are usually returned fairly quickly and I pretty much get my requested times. I recently saw one of my favorite regular gals and she saw me on a weekend (she doesn't normally do weekends!) Tips aren't always cash. I've found that being a regular on some retail sites gets you some monster sale prices..... heels normally $100+ ...for around $40-50......VS.....$75 items for $29.99......
Gents....you be you..... but the gals do have feelings and why wouldn't you treat a gal that you see more than once nicely?
deserve the tips I give them, and they appreciate it. A lot!
OTC (no charge) and off the schedule (paid time), meaning before their workday starts or after it ends.
I stay over time, if no customer is on for the next hour or two.
I've been wined 'n' dined and get gifts for a special occasion or just GP!
Yeah, I'd say there are perks!
If the lady goes over and above what I was expecting then I will leave a tip. I will also leave a tip if I’m the end her rate should have been higher based on performance. I have told a few ladies that they should be charging more. I usually have enough cash on me to cover a $100-$200 tip if need be.
Thinking back I absolutely missed a few times that I should’ve tipped. I may have to over tip for a while to balance out that karma 😂🤣😂
Those who choose to keep an open mind should look at it this way, Firstly, Providers, if you feel that you deserve a tip, then factor it into your donation, and if your bookings go down then you have your answer.
Hobbyists, I'll put it this way that a golfer will understand. On a golfing trip to Scotland you must retain the services of a professional caddie, and they are to be the best when it comes to the game, they know how to guide a golfer of various skill sets to perform at their optimum level and if the player truly enjoyed their round then a gratuity will be given.. But, if it was a terrible round, or even a mediocre one then the base fee is in order...
The same is in order when it comes to a provider, an independent provider will be consistent and never just mail it in so to speak... And will be gracious when receiving a tip.
The ones who ask for a tip pre or post session are the same ones who have their purses emptied after each rendezvous by their handler, manager, boyfriend or that slimy 4 letter word...
Just what my years of experience have taught me...
Endorse 100%!
As far as tips, what is the best strategy?
A. You leave the envelope on the nightstand with the fee and a generous tip ($100 or so) and go to the bathroom to wash your hands. The provider will check your donation when you’re in the bathroom. She sees you left a tip. Does she give you a better experience? Maybe she gets into it more and she’s not just “going through the motions.” Maybe she allows you to do things she usually doesn’t, like light spanking when you’re in doggy style. She wants to give you the best experience possible because you gave her a generous tip.
That’s what you hope will happen. But what if you don’t have a good experience with her and you’ve already left her a tip for a less than satisfactory experience.
Or B. You just leave the minimum donation amount on the nightstand, thinking if you have a good experience you’ll tip afterwards. But the provider doesn’t know this. Maybe she thinks that’s all she’s going to get. And it’s not really kosher to talk about a tip beforehand, either. That’s frowned upon. Would she then only give you a half-hearted effort, “go through the motions,” but not really get into it? Would she think you’re not giving her a tip so she’s mot going to give you a great experience either?
This is what I wonder about. I have done both and given tips afterwards if I liked the experience and not if I wasn’t completely satisfied; and I have also given tips up front hoping for a better experience with the provider. Sometimes it works, sometimes I think it didn’t make a difference.
I almost always arrive freshly showered.
It's extremely rare that I encounter a lady who counts the donation at the start of the session, even when meeting for a first time. I almost always arrive freshly showered. When meeting someone for the first time I always tell them that I don't mind them verifying the envelope before we start, considering that we never met before.
I rarely tip. The last time I did it was with a Thai lady who provides outstanding service and charges what I consider to be a very low rate. I did that during meetings subsequent to our first time.
I must not have actually read your post when first posted. Clearly not about should you or shouldn't you tip or benefit or no benefit to tipping.
But asking for a tip, especially with the rates earned, is really no different than an up sell for something when it's not even advertised as fee-based in the ad. From a "has/doesn't have class" view I would say asking for the tip is even worse.
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Endorse 100%! I've never tipped a provider who asked for one, nor have I ever repeated with a provider who begs for a tip or upsells. It's really bad business in my opinion.
When SoCal had the "Russian Invasion" many years ago, the whole business model was predicated on the upsell. A low price similar to Kgirls was advertised, and then once you arrived, everything that is included by Kgirls was an additional charge. The $250 ad price quickly escalated to $400-$450. After one to two years, local mongers rejected this business approach.
As egregious as that sounds, I agree that "asking" for a tip is worse, which is still SOP in most rub-n-tugs.
I don't tip. The reason being is this hobby is expensive enough. I hire at least one provider a week and pay anywhere from $300 to $1000+. I don't make $600 per hour. I make a $150 per day. I am not a rich man, I am a working man. To each his own who pays the tips but providers are all over the map with pricing and it just seems like one big money grab. They will have an intro rate then have a "preferred minimum" rate which is not "preferred" but mandatory for the client. Or they'll have a "Tour Rate" and then tell you on their website to "add $200" for an incall rate, leaving the client confused on what the rate actually is. No tips. Repeating with a provider is enough for me.
In fairness though, I have had providers confide in me that they have to split their earnings with someone else so I get why sometimes providers ask for tips. It's unfair to them because they shouldn't get half of the money if they did all the work. At the end of the day, its not my problem. I had to save up a whole bunch of money just to eat your pussy. C'mon now.
I usually don't tip preferring instead to bring presents that I consider interesting to dates. It usually serves well to break the ice.
If there is a next time (let alone the times after) those presents get more elaborate. Usually I don't carry more than $20 of cash with me anyway.
Lately however I had an odd experience with two K-girls from the same agency, one of which I saw few times before without tipping. At the end of our respective appointments I gave each of them these $20 that I had in my wallet, and instantly wished that I didn't because both made a big deal of it being 'only $20 tip' 
Obviously no more tipping K-girls is now my personal policy lol
Anybody had such experiences?
A rather impolite reaction even it a $20 tip is pretty meaningless. You should have suggested they return your small token of appreciation and see what they had to say.
Probably a lot of takes on why such a reaction and I suspect the same amount given with a different delivery line (no idea what you said) would produce different reactions. That said, I do agree with your conclusion; if you are going to tip make it a meaningful tip.
I just looked in my wallet, pulled out what I found there, and said "here is a little more for you" or something like that.
See, when I don't tip I don't get the lip. lol I still get the same service as I would if I tipped since they'd still want me to come back. Why? I guess I'm a nice guy. Both of those girls texted me to informed me that they'd be returning soon and hope I'd stop by. So I guess I'm doing something right $20 notwithstanding.
But since $20 didn't get thanks $50 is not forthcoming. Maybe a nice piece of clothing or some odd food is though. As always.
carry only $20 walking-around money with you? That seems like a recipe for trouble if something unexpected should occur in your daily life. Not everybody takes a credit card. I won't even go the bathroom with only $20 in my pocket. You should always carry at least a few hundred dollars, or more, in cash. You never know when opportunity will knock, and you don't want to miss that rare opportunity to buy a genuine Rolex from the guy on the street corner for $100. Lol
I hope you eat a high fiber diet so you don't run out before you're thoroughly clean.
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I don't take a $20 bill, I take twenty one-dollar bills.
Maybe you can explain. How does NOT tipping make you look any less cheap than tipping $20.00? SMH.
If a $40-50 tip to a Kgirl, who is already underpaid compared to most indies, is going to cause budget-busting for you, then why not move down-market to the Asian rub and tugs, or else cut back on ONE session a month so you can give each of the other girls during that month a decent tip? Just a suggestion.
It's pretty rude and cringe for anyone to turn their nose up at a tip you voluntarily put up with good intentions.
I don't care whether it's $2 $20 $200 or $2000 tip, if the response is "only X tip?", the conclusion I will have is the I probably shouldn't have tipped in the first place. People who scoff at good will gestures don't have a place in my good will gesture book. Not even a footnote.
Don't let certain people who think that a certain class or subclass of workers deserves a certain threshold of tip, convince you to think the same as they do. That's my advice.
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I'm more than happy to tip, and usually will slip a provider an extra $50 on her way out if she provided even just a better than average session. I stopped seeing one of my all time favorites in Vegas because she started asking for $25 for Uber when she was leaving. It just seemed completely unprofessional and she ended up unnecessarily losing a very loyal customer.