Recently, I was short-changed a good portion of my donation rate. While I don't count out my donation while with my guest(s), I couldn't help but notice it *obviously* after the date. I emailed him and politely told him about the concern. He never responded. After trying to re-negotiate my hourly rate via email!
Which leads me to ask:
Why do people do this?
What makes a person think that it's alright to determine the going rate of a girl they are interested in seeing?
I can understand an obvious oversight (you were in a rush, you didn't have your glasses on, etc) but failing to respond to an email seems a little rude.
As an escort, believe it or not, I do work very hard. Screening, correspondence, travel. It's an involved and an evolved process.
I can only take the necessary precautions and choose not to see such a person again. But that is my personal option.
I would be interested in knowing your thoughts.
Charlotte Sweetheart.
Sounds like he is a jerk. A gentleman would have made it right immediately. No arguing or complaining.
I always make 2x sure that I have the right amount for the donation.
Sorry you got shorted.
Hi Charlotte, recently I saw a provider who had ads on different sites. After I made my appointment for an outcall I was waiting for her arrival and found that there was a discrepancy between the sites as to her donation and discounts for multiple hours. We worked everything out and had a wonderful session (I offered the higher rate and pointed out the discrepancy). Maybe there was a mistake or your client is just a jerk. He should have responded, however, with an explanation, and if he were wrong, he should have offered to make things right.
to protect against it are what should really matter to you.
There are always going to be fellows (I've only encountered 2 in 6 years, happily) who will attempt to shortchange you. I say "attempt" because you should count your donation before the session starts.
I collect my gift a few minutes in, excuse myself to another room, quickly check the envelope, and come out with a smile and a positive attitude of "Let me entertain you." I know my donation is correct and all is right with the world.
There are certainly ways to conduct yourself that make it clear to your clients that you are NOT an easy target, while still maintaining a warm, pleasant demeanor.
Figure out what works best for you, and implement it. I can guarantee you that you will never find yourself afterward with a envelope full of Monopoly money and a client who never returns your calls.
I often have gals count out the donation (Often out of sight, such as in the bathroom.), especially if it is the first time I am seeing them. I'm glad they do so because it makes sure that I didn't make a mistake or misunderstand the amount of the donation.
Also, I hope you report this guy to the various screening sites that you gals support. I also hope you make use of those sites before seeing someone.
I suspect this guy must be a "one and done" guy, and so thinks he has nothing to fear. It would serve him right that he gets rejected from now on because he is flagged as a shorter and can't see anyone on account of that.
Sorry this happened to you Charlotte, don't let it get you too down.
Is that this was a regular client of mine, well screened, who had always been well-to-do. Or so it seemed.
Needless to say, I have put him on the 'do-not-see' list and am going to be even more firm.
It's just rude-my $.02
I suspect he knew beforehand and does not care you will put him on your do not see list. To be more precise he was probably not planning to see you again and that is why it was safe to short you!
In over a decade of being in business, this has happened to me a mere hand-full of times. They were all clients I had seen repeatedly. Three of them it turned out had made a mistake & compensated me later for it. One of them, I called within 2 minutes of his departure. He said he wanted to cover it next time?! I declined & he said he'd be right here. I'm sure you all know that didn't happen. Lol! The other guy I had been seeing regularly for 4 years. Wow! You'd think you could trust that one huh?! A month later, he calls, apologizing & explaining he is a sex addict & was broke, & really needed to see me at the time. He then asks to see me that evening. NOT! He continued to call for several weeks thereafter & I finally agreed to see him for 3 times my regular fee. Both of these guys are blacklisted, & on my "ignore" list.
It's obvious I don't count the money in advance. I think it's tacky, rude, & obnoxious. Not to mention gives LE one more piece of evidence against you. The pennies I've lost, though frustrating at the moment are well worth the risk to me, and won't change the way I conduct my business.
In terms of your guy, I would give him a few days to respond. He may not have gotten your E-mail yet. After that, if still nothing from him, Blacklisting is definitely appropriate.
Please forgive the anonymous post, but I'm not interested in announcing to the "rip-off" artists out there who their next potential victim could be. Lol! Take care, & stay safe.
A regular client I have seen many times shorted me 1/3 of my donation. I thought the envelope felt light when he came to see me. But since we had seen each other a few times before, I felt comfortable not checking it. I checked it quickly right when he left. There was only $$ in it. I dashed out the door and found him in his car getting ready to leave. He insisted it was an oversight. He said he will go to an ATM and come right back. He came right back with a 100 dollar bill. Now you tell me,,,do ATM's give out 100 dollar bills?!? Not! We need to watch our regulars even closer than the newbies sometimes.
I also do not count the money beforehand.. if you do, guys complain that it's tacky and in poor taste. I still like to think that human beings in general are naturally good at heart... it's come ot bite me in the a** a few times, but not by much, $20-$40 here and there. Last week, I was shorted almost half my donation, which I didn't count til I got to the car, 2 phone calls to him went unanswered. I e-mailed him about his "oversight" and he immediately e-mailed and texted me, apologizing, and asking when I wanted to come back to pick it up.. he had viewed my 30 min rate instead of my hr rate, lol. All worked out!!
Don't just put him on YOUR DNS list but put him on the aletr lists. He robbed you, knowingly. There's no nice way to describe it. This wasn't an oversight or confusion. As others have said he's a low life jerk and you need to treat him as you would if he pickpocketed you on the street. He may well have fallen on tougher times than he's accustom to, that's no excuse.
It's exactly this kind of robbery that causes providers to count first. Any guy who is upset about a provider discretely counting at the beginning of a session should read this and the too frequent similar posts and start getting a clue WHY it's the right business practice.
New rule: If you've never seen a guy, count it in his presence. Assuming you've screened him well, there should be no surprises. Some will think it classless, but "a rising tide lifts all boats."
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Depending on how long it has been since you emailed him, maybe he has not checked his "hobby" email yet. I am not saying what he did is OK or that this is right, not at all. I think this makes him look like a fool to himself, as well as others who do everything the right way. I just know sometimes, if I am busy or out of town, it can be a week or so without checking this email for me.
Don't be so naive. There are bad people in the world. Some of them even hobby! What right do they have to rip you off? Well, no right at all but that doesn't stop them. Of course you could discreetly take the envelope into the bathroom and count the money before activities begin but that's your call. Some ladies just don't feel comfortable doing that while others will count it right in front of the customer.
Sadly your only real recourse is to not see the guy again and warn other ladies about him through the proper channels. If he did it to you he will do it to someone else.
He did it on purpose & has no intention of making it right. Guys who do this deserve to be outted. If he did not want to pay your donation, he should have gone elsewhere. My greatest fear is that I might accidentally make a mistake which I would, of course, make right.
A thief or cheating is inappropriate in either direction.
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I shorted the babe $50.00...yep..I confess. I had in my mind her rate was $400. After she left I went to her ad on EROS to link to her email so I could send her a thank you note and discovered that her outcall was $450. I immediately sent an apology acknowledging what I had done. I asked if she would like to return or meet me somewhere and I would make it right. Her response was pretty sweet...Apprciated the contact, but not to worry about it...I was generous with a couple gifts and she had a nice time. I saw her everytime I visited her city after that incident. In fact she insisted that STP always go with a $400 rate, however I think I always booked her for multiple hrs. I share this because though I'm sure what happen to you was intentional...sometimes honest mistakes do happe. Actually, once I got an email from a local fave who I visited earlier in the day thanking me for the extra $100 in the envelope which she assumed was tip. I never told her I must have miscounted..LOL....Sometimes works both ways I guess.
Cause the guy is a dick-head!
Btw,nice tat's!!
Which leads me to ask:
Why do people do this?
What makes a person think that it's alright to determine the going rate of a girl they are interested in seeing?
I can understand an obvious oversight (you were in a rush, you didn't have your glasses on, etc) but failing to respond to an email seems a little rude.
As an escort, believe it or not, I do work very hard. Screening, correspondence, travel. It's an involved and an evolved process.
I can only take the necessary precautions and choose not to see such a person again. But that is my personal option.
I would be interested in knowing your thoughts.
Charlotte Sweetheart.
My take is, even a returning friend, if attempted negociating took place, warrants checking the donation prior to the action. I still suspect it was deliberate. The others have a point, that he may not have gotten your message. It might even have gotten lost in cyberspace. I'd try contacting again... no not beg but resend the same message. If he does not reply, you have your answer.
As distastful as this is, if you have met him a number of times, at your correct rate, then average them & you probably did OK over all. Of course, you'll not see him ever again... but such a shame to end a good relationship on a bad note.
I'd still flag him for shorting you.
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going to short change you or worse. Life happens and people can change.
You NEVER let your guard down completely.
While I am overweight, I am strong guy, and amazed at the positions some ladies will allow me to put them in... I know this was about money, but it is important for everyone to remain vigilant to some degree.
Ladies and gents, alike.
You NEVER let your guard down completely.
While I am overweight, I am strong guy, and amazed at the positions some ladies will allow me to put them in... I know this was about money, but it is important for everyone to remain vigilant to some degree.
Ladies and gents, alike.
Some find it tacky but I count super fast as I put it away somewhere in front of them sometimes or I excuse myself into the bathroom for literally just a few seconds and count it.... people will get over where they can. Many state they don't like it when a girl counts in front of them (I'm sure there are less "tacky" ways to do it) but guess what we don't like being shorted either.
I'm a provider so of course I feel you but devil's advocate says why not ... 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 if there's a shortage IT WAS ON PURPOSE. Failing to not respond isn't rude it's predictable it's typical. It all seems okay to the d-bag because no matter how upper class or high price you are or like to think you are you're still getting paid to do whatever you are doing still be it 1-something an hour or 300. And of course if he cheats you he won't see you again because he's moving onto the next he can get over.
envelope in the bathroom policy.... Then you can excuse yourself to the bathroom and count while you pee... 
Then if it's short you can excuse him out the door.....