Sure, I'm learning every day, so by the time I'm gray I hope to know quite a bit about how to treat a woman. But that doesn't mean I'm all thumbs and bad attitude now. You'd be surprised, some younger guys might have some class, to go with their flat stomachs.

Anyway, here's the reverse side: I read all these reviews about how wonderfully beautiful and sexy some of these providers are, and I wish I had known (before my own visit) that the reviews were written by men who still jerk off to Liz Taylor.

(so much for my having some class, right?)

an example was Ronnie of Baton Rouge, who has now disappeared in order to change personnas. Her reviews described the goddess of all women. In truth, she was average, and could mix in some exercise for sure. My guess is that she just fucked the hell out of these older guys, in a way they can't access very often. (I'm sort of in a bad mood today.) Thanks for letting me share.

I hate to say this, but your comment is exactly the reason some of us see and prefer older gentleman..

let me ask you ? a woman can not be a goddess because of the way she treats a man? the way she pampers him or makes him feel like he is a god for that moment? a goddess has to be just beautiful to the publics eye?

if you look at history most "goddesses" would probally by todays standards be "plain" or "overweight" but men worshipped them.. they gave a aura of sexuality and it made the men feel young, alive and sexy... that is what a goddess does..

so to each their own, but a goddess to you, may be just a fake, silicon, good at getting your green for one thing type of woman to the rest of the men

kisses
sasha

If a woman is described as "Slim" or "Athletic" aged 26-30 and gets solid 8-10s in looks, even though you're promised a total hottie near perfection by those scores, it's reasonable to expect a youngish, in shape attractive person. Sometimes women with the aforementioned description are really 40+ (and look it), have baby fat and are average looking. That's quite a let down for men who are spending their hard earned money to get a certain thing. What if you were on a diet or lactose intolerant thus ordered a dairy free, sugar free cake, then picked it up only to be confronted with a big ol' buttercream monstrosity. Sure, it tastes good, maybe even better than the diet version but it's not what you wanted. You have your own reasons for wanting a lite version. Why should you have to explain yourself?

To enter the philosophical question, "Can a woman not be a goddess because of how she treats a man?" is really irrelevant. Of COURSE she *can*. Your insides can be made of solid gold, your heart as big as the outdoors but that is not the client's main concern. Overall this is a business focused on the outside of the provider, not her inside qualities. There is no way for a client to determine in an hour whether she has a heart of gold or a giving nature and most of the time he doesn't care. He wants her to be pleasant and easy to talk to of course. But really, he wants her to be attractive and accommodating.

There are men that might have a thing for a certain body type, but please describe it accurately. If you feel zaftig women are hot, describe her as "Baby Fat" or "Heavy", not "Average". Sure, looks are subjective but I agree with Keanu that some men let the rating on performance skew the ratings on attractiveness.

ok i agree with that also, I dont think it is ok to not be honest about what you look like and mislead, nor did I state that...


I think if you truly feel beautiful, you will be honest with your size, I am a small BBW myself, while I am in the process of losing, I feel beautiful no matter what size I am.  However I dont misrepresent and men that do not like bigger women or thick women, wont see me, and thats is ok, I do not think women should mislead either, that leads to bad vibes

but a man that TRULY likes a bigger girl WILL rate her looks as beautiful, because that is what he likes, where as the next guy may not like it, that is where research comes in, see the type of women the guy is reviewing all the time... are they all BBW? then you will know that his taste is subjective... or are they thin women? and she DOES look better or worse.. etc...

kisses
sasha

No one would ever accuse you of false advertising. You've done a good job of presenting your whole package is such an attractive and beguiling but honest way. If I were a dude, I'd go see you.

sooo much flattery awww my face is as red as my hair
kisses
sasha

The reviews are subjective due to the fact that gentlemens tastes vary in both appearance and over all experience.  Reading between the lines really does help in getting a prospective on a lady.  All are unique in our own ways and all have something different to offer.  That is why homework is essential when choosing a lady.  A great review of a lady will not guarantee that every gentlman will agree.  It is not rocket science, just commom sense.

Great reviews I have.  Appearance always rated as great.  But, do not go on the numbers alone.  Actual study of the reviews will give you hints that I am not a hardbody (my site states as much also).  There is one in JAG that states that I am gorgeous, ratings great, but in reading the review, it is stated that I could stand to lose some pounds (OUCH!).  Nonetheless, they are honest accounts of gents views of me and from your post, I am quite positive that you would be very disapointed in my appearance and time spent with me.  It doesn't make the review misleading in anyway.  It is just that your tastes in companionship do not match those of the reviewer.  

But, your post also drives the point home as to why older genltemen are preferred.  There is more to a liaison then just a simple act.  A true fullfilling experience comes from between the ears and not the groins.  Most( and I mean most, but not all)younger gents just haven't matured enough to come to that realization and guage everything from the groin.  The only thing they get from between the ears is the visual of a hot centerfold to help the groin along.  Works for some....great...but there can be so much more to an experience.  Something that Keanu has yet to learn.

Lauren  

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A lot of reviews seem surprisingly exaggerated. The point is to know who the messenger is. I'm a younger guy too. I don't expect or want playboy bunnies all the time. But the reviews aren't describing inner beauty (young guys can appreciate that too) when they are dishing out all of these 8s, 9s, 10s.

I hadn't seen Sasha's site. But now that I have, I agree she has plenty of pictures of herself that seem to be representative of her look.

But you are really stunning. And yes, carpe vinum means "seize the wine" - those who know me find that peculiar as I rarely drink but the day I made this alias I had a stressful day and spent the evening doing just that. lol.

other information (including reviews) to decide whether she is a good choice for you or not.  Don't blame the reviewers because their perceptions don't match your viewpoint.

No, it is not fair to exclude someone simply based on age (age discrimination), but this is not about fairness. It is about a provider doing what she thinks is best for herself and her business. As much as we may not like it, America still allows us (thank God...can I say God here?) to discriminate in our personal lives. On the other hand, the provider is providing a business service, and I doubt that McDonald's would be allowed to say "No one under 30" if they thought it would be in their best business interests. Tough issue. As for "truth in advertising", many of us "fudge" on our ratings for various reasons. Just keep it close is all that we can fairly ask for. Younger guys do tend to overrate the hardbodies. They will give a 9 rating to a super thin lady with rock hard DD enhancements. I would give the same lady a 6/7. Just different ideas of what we find attractive.

which is for inner beauty?

I waded through yesterdays thread, which is blatant age discrimination! This individual lumps all younger men, of which I would be included at 27, into one category as if we are non- thinking slackjawed knuckle-scraping idiots!  This I find  patently offensive!  FYI  It is a common fantasy of most if not all of my similarly aged colleagues to deify older women.  If you have not taken notice of the popular culture ,which a previous poster implied dictates our thinking paterns, then it is easy to see the reverse of what is being said.  Ever heard of MILF, or a milf, younger men revere older women more than the men of equal age.  Its the experience and the wisdom that it comes with that we seek. Wake Up!  I have many older colleagues who are repulsed by the idea of older women and yes they are married to them; (ever hear of the Jennifer Complex) so I dont know what demographic providers think they are ingratiating themselves to. It is short sighted to rule out all young prospective clients!  We do not expect all women to be saline enhanced Bay Watch beauties and most (if not all) are attracted to all types of women.  It is just a good business sense to judge the age factor on a case by case basis.  I would never see any provider now or later in life that had some rigid standard for age because if she is that closeminded when it comes to age I fear to imagine what else she is closeminded about.

"Compared to______________ she's an 8."

I agree Nicole, I don't think the looks ratings are purposely exaggerated.  The appearance ratings are all relative.  Is she "hot" compared to the reviewer's high school sweetheart or ex-wife or is she "hot" compared to the Playboy Playmate of the Year?

Until we see the line above put on the review form (which I hope we won't) everyone will have differing opinions as to just how "hot" a certain provider looks.

BTW Nicole, nice to "see" you on the boards again.

There really should not be an argument here.  True, the "appearance" category could be broken down into a)inner beauty and b)physical beauty, but you can learn just as much by looking at the variance of the appearance scores.  Take NOSC (don't I wish):  her appearance scores have a high mean and low variance--almost all 8s, 9s and 10s.  No surprise waiting here.  Other providers that have high mean scores have higher variance-- 6s and 7s thrown in with the 8s and 9s.  Then you know that not all reviewers are using the same criteria.

All the info is there if you look.  And the looking is fun too.

I am the same age (27), and I love, let me repeat, love older women.  It has always been my fantasy and desire to be with older women.  With this hobby, I've been able to fulfill these desires, but now this may be taken away because of a few bad seeds? Give me a break, what happens when one or two guys that are over forty have a bad time and don't give the best review? Do you ban that age group too?

I did not word that correctly and have edited my post.  For some reason at the time, the edit function wasn't appearing in my screen, but is working now.

Performance was a bad choice of words.  I should have said the experience itself.  Inner beauty is found within that experience.  The time spent communicating with each other, gives you a sense of what that person is all about.  That in itself adds to it all.


Lauren

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I'm 28 year old guy and have to say I agree with the Ladies here. Yes it may be age descrimination but that is their choice, they have a right to turn down clients just like we have a right to pick another provider. If some providers have been ripped off or had bad experiences with younger guys why would they want to continue risking their life and business on a potential long shot? That and the fact the older you are the more likely the chance you have better jobs, have matured more and won't be a prick to them. Considering the amount of men they might see they need to go by percentages and generlize if need be. Yea their are exceptions but why would they risk it when they have a better chance with older men?

False advertising aside nearly every women is worthwhile to see at least once even if your not physically attracted to them. Some of the best sex I've had was wit women that didn't imediately knock me out with their looks but eased me into a zone where I learn and experienced a lot of great things.

The best advice I can give guys my age is be respectfull and grin and bear it until your older. And when a provider has turned you down for your age move on find another one and don't be an ass to them cause they will tell there friends your an ass and you might as well give up the hobby for a few years.

I think we forget that the providers like to enjoy themselves to and if they have a preference for men they'll be happier going with those preferences.

All these reviews are completely subjective.  I was just looking at a review (9/9) and upon reading the written review couldn't understand how the gentleman gave such high marks as he had several significant criticisms.  Then clicking on his reviews I found that all his reviews (more than 10) were 8s, 9s and 10s.  Others give 6s and 7s that are equivalent to another man's 9 or 10.  

In general, I find it helpful read all the reviews looking at the overall scores.  After reading the scores, I will also look at what the reviewers normally grade to understand the context.  It is helpful when you find someone that has seen a provider you know - looking at their scores and reviews gives a point of reference.  Then take everything with a grain of salt.

To echo the sentiments of another I feel your message was harsh, but one I agree with in general. I also feel that the reviews in terms of appearance are rather kind, but taste is taste so I don't think you or I can say what is correct or not correct. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out how a person can be described as having baby fat and still score a 9 or 10-but that is just me. In my opinion Marilyn Monroe was to big boned and pale, but to others and especially the older generation she is the epitome of beauty. I'm a 30 year old Italian-American who especially loves exotic dark haired women and in general women of color. Most of my friends like blondes and I know some of them never even consider a black, asian or hispanic girl for dating our even sex. I'll go the topless bar with my friends and find the blondes they fawn over utterly boring, meanwhile they will think I'm out of mind for being more interested in the dark haired girls. Point is, I'm 30(fairly young) and my friends are about the same age, yet we still disagree on looks. The  main difference in appearance I see is the older set seems to cut the providers more slack for not having tight bods, I assume that is due to the fact they grew up in a time that working out is not so prominent and thus their idea of beauty is sometimes not the same as ours.

Also, I'd like to add there is a fairly easy to way to not waste your money. Simply check out multiple reviews by a particular hobbyist and determine if more often than not you are in agreement with him, thats what I do anyway.

One more thing, this talk of inner beauty is nonsense. I don't think the history of the oldest profession was predicated on inner beauty, performance for sure and of course looks, but not inner beauty.

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There are a few reasons escorts will not see younger men. There are some guys out under 40yrs who have an attitude and think we should be grateful to spend time with them. That can be very uncomfortable. Whenever I've had a bad experience it was with a younger gentleman. Please dont get me wrong, there are some really nice younger guys out there, but there are just many more who are quite rude.

Now if a provider is not what she says she is and her pics, reviews and age, just don't match the person you meet, then that is misleading. If that should happen, you arent under any obligation to stay.
                                      Good Luck, Alyssa Young

Providers can see who they want, but if I am turned down because of my age, I'd like an explanation. All it has to be is "your too young" or what ever the reason is.

V

But it's nice to read through the entire thread and see how the theme has evolved itself. I think the responses of many of these kids is evident in itself of the sort of brash disregard and brazen lack of reflective ability to truly appreciate the whole of a woman beyond the hole of a woman.

Inner beauty falls under the category of performance, as well as appearance. Reviews must always be taken with a grain of salt. Some will add points to performance if a provider has the ability to carry an intelligent conversation, with a hot underlying thread of sensuality. An experienced and caring provider will present herself with confidence and allure, making the most of her physicality by the way she displays it. This is inner beauty translated to her physical appearance. Some of us younger gentlemen simply don’t have the ability to appreciate this translation, but only see what appears to our eyes. I’m no carnivore* of fine wine, but I know many who are, scoff at the ordinary beings inability to truly appreciate it. The appreciation comes from experience, reflective study and frequent enjoyment. In terms of a woman, that kind of experience requires years, I would imagine.

Our wonderful independent ladies, of course, have the right to see and spend time with whom they like. Anyone who requires an explanation for why they won’t see someone of a certain age, demonstrates their immaturity by their appall.

*the word connoisseur has been substituted with the word carnivore to effect some subtle bit of humor

I've been in the hobby (off and on) for 15 years (I'm 33 now).  My first several times I was very nervous and I'm sure the ladies could tell.  But the one thing I always was? Polite. Not saying that any of you are, but I did my best to be a gentleman and treat the lady with the utmost respect.  I have always tended to be a little more mature than other guys my age and I'm sure that has helped.  Also, since my first girlfriend, all the others have been from 3-12 years older. I'm sure that has helped.  Bottom line:  Act and be a gentlemen, both on the phone and in person, and age won't matter.  Providers,  don't give up on the young guys just yet (am I one? LOL!!).  Use your instincts and I'm sure that they will treat you as well as the older gents.

  My 10c (my 2c are free!)

 PlanetU2

not that there's anything wrong with the "I be King/Queen" mentality.  My understanding is that the original thread indicated that she did not want to get a bad review.  That's great.  It's a business. You know, "management has the right to refuse service to anyone."  In the real world this motto only goes as far as discrimination laws allow- age, sex, race, etc. In this case it's age.  But who's to prosecute if she writes "I'm sorry Mr.Chung, due to circumcissions beyond my control, i have chosen not to entertain clients with little wee-wees."  Hey it happens.

Now, as far as inner beauty is concern.  What a crock of crap.  While it is true that inner beauty can elevate or make the stature of a person, it is not a reason most of us make the hour appointment.  OK some do.  But I don't know why?  There's inner beauty all around us.  and free too. Not that anyone would want to screw it or pay to see inner beauty. Unless it's some sickee  who really enjoy seeing inner beauty (you know- the red lining, lots of blood, really smelly...)

However, i do understand that younger folks tend to hide their inner beauties and flaunt their outer, because there's alot to flaunt.  While older flaunt their inner beauties and hide the outer, because there's alot to hide.  It's just that inner beauty is what you spend an eternity with and the outer, only a brief moment (Heffy exempted)

Hey don't get me wrong about older women.  The ones who take care of themselves are far better than the young teenies with undeveloped bodies.  And I do love the way older people appreciate meaningful things.  But that's in real life.  In the hobby, it's far different.  What's meaningful other than sex and money. )

A group of people should not be denied over a review.  I agree with that.  

You state that this hobby is about sex and money.  Define Sex and you have the crux of the problem here.  

This may be news to you, but providers are not machines (they have plenty of gadgets out there to take care of that), but are human beings too, all are different and all have varying degrees of what makes them tick.  And....we all have differing personalities.  

Our personalities, ticks and all of our real life qualities (inner beauty) come through when you meet with us.  We like what we like as much as you and in order for you to have a fulfilling experience, we must also.  So much goes into a liaison and personalities are one of those factors. Likes and dislikes in the sexual arena have to be mutual or the endeavor will be disapointing to everyone all around.  

If you are a wham bam thank you maam kind of guy, then see a lady who enjoys the wham bam.  You will both be happy and you will definitely see each other again.  If you are a person that likes to take the time to explore, then see a lady who enjoys that.  Neither is a right way or wrong way to enjoying sex.  Sex is a variable all in its own.  It means something different to each and everyone of us.

Human qualities from one end of the spectrum to the other are meshed into a sexual experience.  That may seem like a bunch of crap and too much like real life for you.  And if so, then a blow up doll may be more to your liking.

Lauren

My observations about this thread:

First off, I think we have grant the ladies the right to run their enterprise as they see fit. Even if it flies in the face of sound business. Generalizing and refusing service to a group because of a few bad experiences is not wise. You ladies need to realize that the current economic downturn could last for many years.

Secondly, I think it's funny that the young guys assume all of us older guys (I'm 41) are fat and married to some old hag. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can see his stomach muscles and enjoys the single life.

Third, the providers seem to believe that a customer flaking on them at the last minute is a worse offense than the providers flaking on a customer. Sorry, ladies. It's the same.

My advice to the ladies would be to make it clear to ALL first time customers that a last minute cancellation will result in a lifetime ban. Only make an appointment if you're sure you can make it.

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My blowup doll has fine inner qualities.  I gave to H H HHHHHer. Damn next time i'll use a pump....ok may be carbon monoxide and morning breath aren't such wonderful traits.

Providers are people...hmm.. i guess you're right. Machines take money without discriminating or bitchn.  

Sarcasm aside. Sex by definition is the act of intercourse.  But the quality of which makes the experience.  Quality is actually the key that needs to be defined.  And that has very to do with
individuals.  I get that.  But when it comes down to accepting money for what you do, there are certain responsibilities and professionalism expected.  The lack of which is the crux of the problem.

The truth is, hobbying is the exchange of time for money.  It's in that time, whether or not the service provider delivers what she advertises is always a question.  No provider advertises inner beauty and no client goes out browsing for it either.  We see a picture, we talk on the phone, she's got a nice voice, personable, we make an appointment, talk a little, caress and massage and play with each other, then we consumate.  . During this sexual experience there's no thought of inner beauty (IB).  Perhaps you could define which human qualities you would consider inner beauty.  Maybe then the crock of crap can become a pot of gold.


NOTE -due to some screen refresh error- I can't seem to get it in the right slot. this post is for aphrodite.  Staff if you can move it there, i would appreciate it. delete note if moved

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nice voice, personable, enjoys caressing and massage - these are somewhat etherical concepts that can only be ascribed as inner beauty qualities.

I am beginning to think that blow up doll is more your style, but then again they can get pretty temperamental also, poke them the wrong way and they are pretty much done with you too!-LOL!

I am not going to argue with you.  You just do not seem to get it.  There is a post in the above thread that so eliquently explains it in a way I never could.  Human Connection versus Physical Connection.  

You could take a lesson or two from that young man. I'm done.

Lauren

Now if I just can get a date with her sometime this decade...