What are your first thoughts, as a hobbyiest, and a provider?

Posted by a provider on another board.

Good Friday to you fellas

Im in need of brand new TER reviews.
It will be good for my next buisness venture!~!

If you take the time to write a "new" TER review of me, I will give u the gift of $ 50.00 off our next date.

(Excluding already discounted and friend appreciation rates)

Please do include in the review if u feel our past experience was GFE & PSE!~!

I so much appreciate it, and see you real soon  

to perform their civic duty.

And the $50 bonus is frosting on the cake.

I think its fine. Now without fail, someone will carp about it.

Raising all manner of ethical questons about intent and objectivity failings as if we here are World Bank representaives debating who gets the next loan or whether or not we can ever trust someone who would stoop to such base gimmicks.  

I think its' a good way to market for someone trying to get established. If the reviews dont jive with reality, marketplace will expose the real girl very quickly.

If a hobbyist agrees to this offer then:

#1.  No pre-agreement that the review will contain any agreed upon socres, i.e the review will be an honest assessment and may not be what the provider expected beforehand.

#2.  Related to the above, I think reviewers owe it to other hobbyists to provide appropriate full disclosure of events.  In this case I think it is both appropriate and important to include within the review the fact that a discount was enjoyed as a result of writing the review.  Readers of this review should be given the opportunity to judge for themsleves if the session truly represents what they can reasonably expect to experience with this provider.  IMO it is fair game for the next guy to have some level of doubt that perhaps the reviewer received a session that was especially motivated.  Maybe the session itself was one time special and then again maybe it will be standard for all clients.  Either way provide the info and let me make my own decision.  Disclose the special rate, the reason why it was given and simply tell like it is (or was).    



-- Modified on 4/4/2008 12:54:56 PM

The discount is offered for the NEXT session. If a guy has no intention of seeing her again after his first session (which he is paying full rate for), there is no added incentive to write a good review.

I actually saw a provider once who offered this exact deal on her website. I didn't see her a second time.

I've been trying not to post so much so that I get off of that damned list on the left, but this one goes to the very nature of why this is, IMHO, the best fucking site on the internet.

Reviews are by hobbyists for hobbyists.  They allow us to boldly go where another has gone with less risk and fear of the unknown.  The balance of that is the marketing aspect of the cumulation of the reviews for the specific provider.  With more positive reviews comes more business.  Simple, yet fucking brilliant of our great leader.

Think about it.  On the positive side, I see a woman, have a great time, and then write a review.  Tom, Dick, Harry, and Hairy Dick read my review and decide to go see the same woman, who treats them the same, and then they write their own reviews.  Fantastic for the guys because we basically know what's gonna happen when we walk through the door, and that it's most likely gonna be nice.  Now, the provider has at least five reviews to her credit, and, because of the way these are handled, can tie herself to all of them in one neat little profile package.  All of the sudden, she's got the best fucking marketing tool in the world (word of mouth) put together in a nice package, and not only does it cost her nothing, she gets the enhancement of a communication network (PM), ad forum (discussion boards), and safe outlet to kibbutz with other providers (Provider's board) JUST FOR DOING WHAT'S IN HER BEST INTERESTS TO BEGIN WITH.  And to top it all off, it benefits the hobbyists most because the provider is compelled to continue to provide good service in order keep the benefit of the marketing.  If she doesn't, not only does she lose the good pub, but she gets fucking hammered by the next guys with active negative pub. I just blew a blood vessel in my head at the sheer win / win magic of the system

David Elms is a fucking genius.

Now, here is the absolute nectar that keeps the thing humming.  By including the discussion boards where hobbyists and providers can keep each other honest in a combination free flowing discourse and competitive marketplace (like in this thread), and by (sometimes ruthlessly) enforcing the rules designed to keep the review system as honest as possible (thereby keeping the foundation strong), TER becomes a self-sustaining and self-perpetuating enclosed market that promotes the good and eliminates the bad in the most efficient way possible.  I'll be driving in my car sometimes and just shake my head in wonder at the thought of it.

I love this fucking site.









-- Modified on 4/4/2008 3:31:58 PM

Discounts for writing reviews now, OR in the future are VERBOTEN on TER for obvious reasons.

I like a discount as much as the next guy, but discounts for reviews is AGAINST TER rules.

Have a great weekend gang!

I did read through that too fast.  Well I still stand by my thoughts to the extent that they become applicable to the offer...

Thanks for the clarification...

Sorry, its just plain unethical, undermines the entire purpose of a review site, and in my humble opinion just makes her look desperate. She even goes so far as to ask for specifics that she wants to be included in the reviews she writes.

Sure, it can be argued that the discount is applied to a future visit, and therefore does not stand in the way of a poor review, but what if the actual experience was just so-so, nothing fantastic, but it got the job done. Perhaps the reviewer might not be inclined to return for a second visit at her full rate, but he writes the review anyways, figuring that at some point in the future when he just wants a quickie for a cheap price, a short review is worth getting a cheaper deal on an experience he knows will get the job done. Chances are, his review isn't going to reflect that the session was just average, otherwise she will probably refuse to see him. So he writes a nice complimentary review instead, and his fellow hobbyists are mislead by a review that was far more flattering than it should have been.

So no, its not right and its not fair to those of us women who follow the rules.

There are other reasons as well, but you sum it up rather  nicely.

... that's like literary prostitution.  I'm not a critique whore.

The session you have already reviewed!, and it better be a good one of course"

This is unethical and the fact that she has not posted that thread here, proves that she knows she'll get in trouble for making such an offer, and a decent TER reviewer will never jeopardize his reputation for 50 bucks.... Just MHO

Write the review first, exactly the way you want it to happen, then see if she'll still give you that $50 discount, and make the review real. Yeah, that's it. Do ya' think she'll go for it?

Is a $50 rebate enough to make you want to pony up $$+ to see someone who was eh?

it never lets go.

Believe me, I've tried.

In your example if the guy writes an average review the provider will refuse to see him.  I would love to see someone who gave me an average review!  It would be an opportunity to rock his world the way I didn't the last time.  In fact, my 'mission statement' is that if you aren't having a good time, tell me so I can do something about it.  

I'd like to address the notion that offering a discount makes a provider look desperate.  Well, YEAH.  As much emphasis as everyone puts on being "well-reviewed," as cautious as hobbyists claim to be, of course an unreviewed provider is a little desperate.  For christssake, it's hard to break into this clique of the elite.  If anything, the discount makes her look cheap.  Why do you care if she looks like trash?  It just makes you look better.

Yeah, that was clever, but let's keep this sophisticated. -e

it seems like everyone has my balls but me lately - the wife, the banker, the wife, the list, the wife, etc.  LOL

How come no one picked up on "It will be good for my next business venture"?
I wonder what that is...?

If the guy is going to write a review anyway, it won't have an affect.

If the guy doesn't write reviews, then if he wants to see her again, he may write a review.

If the guy doesn't write reviews, and he doesn't want to see her again (didn't like her), then he probably won't bother writing a review.

So, the net effect is to increase the number of positive reviews.

More guys will then help support this gal, and supporting the good ones helps depress the not-so-good ones.

Sounds like the proverbial win-win to me.

I write the review, email it to her and then ask, "Can/Will you do this?" LOL.

A totally scripted session? I bet it has happened.

-- Modified on 4/5/2008 11:09:26 AM

Its all business. Many providers will accept a certain discoutned amount in trade for a reliable SAFE Regular.

post her message on another board, if she wants reviewes on TER???? Makes you wonder!!!!