Monger enters for a first date.
chit chat? or cut that shit out and go straight to tongue in mouth, after which she unbuttons your pants with fire and fury like the world has never seen?
Let's go straight to the action. We can chit chat between my first and second cup.
is getting to see how it uniquely unfolds.
So, I would not want to bring preconceptions, but rather an openness to feel my way towards how things go.
It's the best way to keep things fresh and exciting.
a provider needs to initiate some of the action because some hobbyists are a bit shy on a first date. Almost like a civie date except a civie lady isn't going to initiate anything.
...and let the session unfold on its own terms. I like to play with women who like to play, so their wishes and desires are also part of the equation. I've found that if I let her "take the wheel" for a time, things go very nicely for the both of us, sometimes in unexpected but quite fun directions.
There are things I like to do and things that are deal-breakers, but we've generally had that understanding before the session itself, so we're on the same page regarding the parameters of our time together. The rest is up to us to do as we please, depending on mood and time.
Once I am naked and showered, I start with DFK. IMO, kissing is the most intimate act two people can do, and either makes the connection if you're both good at it, or starts the downhill slide if one or the other isn't good. At some point, a provider will ask me to get on the bed. I politely decline and suggest that SHE get on the bed. The WAY she gets on the bed decides what I do next. For example, she might get on all fours, she might lay on her back and spread her legs, she might lay on her side with her head at the edge and mouth open, or any number of other ways. For each way she might lay on the bed, there are multiple options of what you can do next. Then spontaneity takes over and we both do what feels good. On rare occasions I have something specifically in mind to get the action started, especially if we have exchanged some emails or texts that were either flirty or filthy, so I just tell her how to position herself and I take over. No one has ever complained, even after they had my money.
If so, count me out.
And I think your junior high sex ed teacher is rolling over in his grave with you saying kissing is the most intimate act two people can do.
Maybe the hookers here should charge 3 big ones/hour just for kissing and an extra ben for the CFS?
Sounds like you'd go for it! Ha!
No wonder you have so much trouble here.
Just sayin'.
I will enlighten you without making it look like you're getting your ass handed to you, sonny. DFK is a relatively new development in P4P. Up until some enterprising lady invented the term GFE relatively recently, the vast majority of hookers did not kiss their customers on the mouth. They would fuck you and blow you, but they believed kissing was "too intimate."
There are many providers who still subscribe to this. In SoCal alone, TER reviews list over 11,000 providers that will not "kiss with tongue." If it wasn't so prevalent,, why would TER make it a profile option? So before you call someone out for a fact they posted, you should do your homework. That's why you're still a Newbie. Not only that, you're one of the worthless reviewers that gives all 10's. That makes you a lapdog.
Sometimes, when you're out of your depth, its better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I tried to make this instructional and not like I knocked you down and took your lunch money, but its not really in my nature when attacked. Maybe you should just watch and learn for awhile. Just Sayin.
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You stated an opinion about kissing being the most intimate thing but now you are arguing it is a fact. Are you confused as to the difference in meaning of those words Coeur? You are entitled to your opinions but not entitled to call them "facts." I love to kiss and kissing without deep french isnt worth a god damn to me but I dont think too many would agree that dfk is THE most intimate of acts.
Off top of my head, i would think bbbj, cum in mouth, anal, facials, swallowing cum, etc are all much more intimate but i wont make the mistake of couching my opinions as facts as you did with your blow hard, condescending retort.
In addition to your list, what about intercourse? hehe. Did we forget that?? Dfk is just the warm up for the "most intimate act" imho.
your senior partner. You're even less informed than he is. I pose the same question to you as to why a provider that would suck you dick and fuck you would not allow you to kiss her? And yet, there are thousands of providers in TER reviews that don't allow kissing. What is YOUR explanation for that?
Since the only reviews you have are all 10's, I would assume you are easily fooled and/or manipulated by a P4P ladies, so it raises the question of whether you even know anything about REAL intimacy.
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You were NOT speaking from the providers POV when you made the comment that kissing is the most intimate act. It was YOU making the point, so just own your own words. You also may want to get a calendar out as it isn't 1990 anymore. I am virtually certain it is 2017, and Gambler had to set you straight, as he and others do on a regular basis about a number of topics here, on how long GFE has been around in escorting.
For someone that claims to know so much, you sure seem to run into a great deal of blow back from so many, and being condescending and belittling only shows to me you have lost this argument, and have lost it badly. Your obsession with people's reviews is also noted, as is your penchant for jealousy. If you cant, or wont, see the best, don't take your frustration out on me. 
after having several providers tell me this, I am not allowed to adopt that as my point of view as well? When I said it, I was talking about my present point of view. Why not do your own research if you think you know anything about this topic. Check TER reviews and see how many providers in your area don't allow DFK. Then ask them why. I agree my sample was small, but the fact that it was unanimous I think is significant and formed the basis for my own beliefs on this subject. While PRACTICES may change and providers may adapt to a changing market that demands GFE service, I still believe that those providers that won't do it are refusing because they consider it too intimate. There are also many articles written on this topic you can search on the internet that verify what I said. I think the TER review board is the best place to start.
By the way, you are mischaracterizing GaG's post, while it is true he "set me straight" on the timing aspect, he also agreed with the substance of my post, which is opposite you and the other Newbie. But, nice try. Good attempt, but not very subtle.
As I am entitled to ridicule you for having it. I don't know too many "men" that would claim what you claim re: intimacy and DFK and I don't see ANY women in this thread rushing to your defense either. But that is ok to be in the very small minority on a subject here, as you seem to have great experience doing so, in topic after topic after topic after topic after topic after topic..................
comforting to know that an important guy like you agrees that I'm entitled to my opinion. Oh, thank you, BuffetBoy. You have made my day. I feel ten feet tall.
FYI, Women on this thread usually agree with me, but know I am a controversial figure here, so they do it by PM. I usually get two or three a day about things I post. THEY are here to promote themselves in their business, and being in bed (figuratively speaking) with me on a controversial topic may not serve their interests in that regard. I can respect that. Having their private support is enough.
Buffet wins on the surface with everyone watching, and you win where no one else could possibly know the score but you. LOL
Yes, I think we are done here. LOL
Your conclusion, but then I realized you smelled fresh meat with the Newbies and you're just sucking up to pimp JDU because enrollment is off this term. In that case, I will agree with you. Yes, they did a fine job and will make splendid incoming freshman.
[I'll PM you where to send my cut of the tuition. A pleasure doing business as always.]
Your post literally had me laughing out loud over my coffee this morning! Your point is well taken.
Losers often feel the need to use a metric available only to themselves to declare victory. Watching him run all over this thread putting out fires from every poster who dared to challenge his indefensible point, only reinforces the fact that not only did he lose, but he lost in such a huge manner which highlighted and magnified his own insecurity on the topic. Thanks JD!
encountered this with providers, so I assume you're relatively new at this. With no reviews, we don't even know if you have even started yet. When I first started hobbying nine years ago, I would say about 50% of the ladies I saw the first six months did not allow DFK. I asked several why, and the stock answer was that its "too intimate, so I reserve that for my private life." As I pointed out to Mr. Newbie above, you can do a TER search of the reviews with the "kisses WITHOUT tongue" filter and you will be amazed at the number of profiles that come up for ladies that do not allow DFK. If its not for the intimacy factor of being in someone's face, why do YOU think a girl that does the other things you list would draw the line at DFK? It seems arbitrary at first, given the other activities you mention that they are willing to do that involve the exchange of some fluids, until you start ASKING them, and then you will find not wanting intimacy with customers is the common thread. If you ask some of the mature providers here what the reason is, you will find it IS a fact.
An example is in the 1990 movIe Pretty Woman, which came out at a time when providers did not kiss their johns, in a scene where the lead hooker is telling her hooker roommate that she is falling for the john. The first thing the other girls asks is, "Did you kiss him?" Its because they KNOW the heightened level of intimacy that comes with tongue kissing leads to emotional involvement, like it or not. Most pro's have learned to handle it, but the number of johns talking here about falling in love with their provider should tell you that the customers have not learned that its still a service even when you add DFK to the hooker menu. For centuries there was no kissing of customers in the business and there was less confusion about emotions on both sides.
From escorts (call girls) but never streetwalkers. Julia Roberts character in pretty woman was a streetwalker so your example is not even correct.
I will disagree with him "slightly" about when DFK became common, but I completely agree in the days before "GFE" kissing was rare in hookerland for the exact reason he stated "it was considered too intimate" for many hookers, a lot of them rationalizing it as "saving something for their SO" Even today some hookers don't kiss for that exact same reason.
Where I disagree with CDL is the "when" of it all. I strongly disagree that DFK was only a fifty fifty proposition as recently as 9 years ago. I would say that GFE had become rather commonplace a good fifteen years ago or maybe even more.
I realize this sounds ludicrous to anyone who has only been seeing hookers for ten years or less, but back in the 70's, 80's and 90's finding a hooker who would kiss was most definitely NOT the norm
picking the right providers in my first six months of doing this, so I bow to your greater historical perspective as to when GFE became the norm. Once I discovered the TER filter for this in researching reviews, I never had to hear that again.
His post was about the present. So yes AT ONE TIME, a decade or more ago, it may have been too intimate for the PROVIDERS but not the customers. Had Coeur made that comment ten years ago I wouldnt have jumped him but he didn't make it ten years ago.
Buffetboy nailed this one. Coeur was obviously speaking for himself when he said:
"IMO, kissing is the most intimate act two people can do, and either makes the connection if you're both good at it, or starts the downhill slide if one or the other isn't good."
I and another poster called him out on it, and he tried to turn it around like a weasel to say this was the LADIES view on the subject. He only made it worse when he said this was "fact" and I called him out on that too. It is his opinion.
What someone finds intimate is, of course, subjective and is going to vary from person to person. Nevertheless there are biological anchors to many of our emotions and motives. The prevalence of kissing today in GFE doesn't really say one way or the other whether many providers consider it intimate or not.
You'd also have to define what intimate means. When women have (real) orgasms they release oxytocin which is a "bonding" hormone. If you define intimacy as developing a romantic relationship bond with someone, achieving orgasm by any means might be considered the most intimate.
And therefore if a guy is interested in developing an ongoing relationship with a woman (including providers) he might do well to make efforts to have her achieve a real orgasm. Of course she has to cooperate in this effort. So it's not a magic bullet.
He's admitted that he's only been around P4P some 9 years. He's a newbie still compared to many on these boards who have been around P4P for decades. He does seem to have a propensity for telling all that he's the smartest, richest and most viable man who's ever been born (However he's got some stiff competition from Donnie Trump....as well as Bob Sugar).
Hey...just consider Richie another wannabe king of TER. They've been here before, and I presume they'll continue after Richie is gone.
He may want to hop on to the newbie board and STFU and read for a change. He might actually learn something.
Bitterness and jealousy that consumes guys that keep hanging around fuck boards when they can't get it up anymore. I hope if that happens to me I have the good sense to retire gracefully rather than put the big downhill slide on public display.
While you're waiting for your cleaning, and maybe dental implants...please try using this stuff. I hear that hookers like that minty fresh breath. Maybe you heard that too...but considering your pompous attitude here you assume they are all lying LOL
MintyFreshness.
you would know that you can't get five minutes into an agency incall without them handing you a cup of this stuff. But I really don't think many here ever thought you were a real hobbyist anyway. Just a poster.
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I prefer the HDH hookers. But the BP gals you see love you long time.
How's your dad doing tonight?
That the reason you don't have any reviews here Is because you're primarily a TS hobbyist. Is that correct. It would explain a lot of things. Letting that get out would certainly be counterproductive in your effort to appear to still be some kind of stud here, albeit an impotent one. Now that I've learned this, a lot of your behavior is much more understandable. You don't ever seem to be at a loss for words, so what's it like to have a dick in your mouth? Are you able to fit two at once? Since you can no longer get wood, when it comes to penetration, I guess you have to be the one in front, right? Not judging, just curious.
when you are being judgmental as all get out. Hmmmm...
that sometimes I say things that can be construed more than one way, as we all do. I try to catch myself in those instances and clarify in advance that if you automatically assume I said something judgmental, you would be mistaken to take it that way. Being curious would be an alternative understanding when reading my post. I'm directing you to the correct interpretation in keeping with what my intent was. Understand?
and I wasn't mistaken either. But carry on. 
))
can be interpreted more than one way? I'm pretty sure you have in the past, and someone has called you on it. THEN you clarify how you meant it. I'm just doing it an advance so the narrow-minded here don't get their panties in a bunch over a misinterpretation of what I said.
There are people in this thread with TONS more experience than you and many with much less, and yet BOTH sides of that coin kicked your ass today.
You have been forced by one rook to move the goal posts and backtrack on your initial point and you feel the need to write "War and Peace" type responses AGAIN, making you look like an obsessed, know it all, pretentious jackass.
This is an ongoing theme with you in thread after thread.
Is it time we have yet another bandwidth talk or will you just divert to MY lack of reviews during it?
Fuck, bro.
#MoveOnWithYourLife
#PickYourBattlesWisely
drag-outs recently yourself. Things go in cycles here. It will pass. Meanwhile, try the "ignore" button.
I don't concede when I know I'm right. If proven wrong, there are plenty of times on the various boards I have said, "I stand corrected." If I am proven wrong, I will concede, but I said what my proof was, i.e., personal experience, and none of the newbies have any anecdotal evidence to dispute it. OTOH, both OTM and GaG agreed with my statement, because they have heard he same thing I have. So if you want to accuse someone of "arguing to the death" talk to the newbies that are not going to take ANYONE'S word for it, probably not even yours.
On the question of experience, if a pro golfer played in one tournament a year for twenty years and another played in twenty tournaments a year for five years, who would you say had the most "experience" playing tournaments? While I don't mean to challenge your assertion that time in the hobby gets you experience, I think you also must concede that the number of hookers someone has seen also accounts for experience. Accordingly, I think other than the obvious, like GaG and OTM, I would venture to say there are FEW others here that have my level of experience with hookers because of the sheer numbers of girls I have seen.
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Perhaps it's because I am the least argumentative person on the planet?
Jake, you finally made a post that has me LMAO, and you did it on purpose for a change. LMAO
and I am the "nicest" person on the planet.
(one good turn deserves another)
You were either born without a sense of humor or had it surgically removed.
You are "nice" alright. Nice and dumb. rofl.
GFE was supposed to include kissing. Way back in '97 kissing was starting to become important in the biz, although not all ladies were doing it. But the ones that were kissing were VERY popular to be sure.
Steph XO
In talking to over 1K girls about it:
Most intimate: DFK Kissing
Least Intimate: Blowjobs!
I do not doubt that many a gal won't kiss because they consider it something too intimate to share with anyone other than their SO, but there is another dimension to consider:
Some years ago a gal told me that she felt that way about kissing, but then I started using a much more effective mouth wash. Suddenly she became much more enamored of kissing. I think that at least some times, the "intimacy" argument is a nice way of telling a guy that his breath is stinky.
I will disagree with him "slightly" about when DFK became common, but I completely agree in the days before "GFE" kissing was rare in hookerland for the exact reason he stated "it was considered too intimate" for many hookers, a lot of them rationalizing it as "saving something for their SO" Even today some hookers don't kiss for that exact same reason.
Where I disagree with CDL is the "when" of it all. I strongly disagree that DFK was only a fifty fifty proposition as recently as 9 years ago. I would say that GFE had become rather commonplace a good fifteen years ago or maybe even more.
I realize this sounds ludicrous to anyone who has only been seeing hookers for ten years or less, but back in the 70's, 80's and 90's finding a hooker who would kiss was most definitely NOT the norm
All of the above had one thing in common. They were way cheaper than what were once referred to as "Call Girls" and "half and half" (BJ with FS finish ) with NO GFE was the standard. If those were the ONLY type of girls you saw in the 80's ,well no wonder you posted misinformation.
If you saw quality call girls in the 80's/90's you would not have posted that. The internet did not create a fucking thing. It just gave politically correct words to the business.
My experiences with call girls: Order drinks and/or open the liquor cabinet at the hotel, maybe do a little blow and the menu was definitely what is now referred to as GFE+++ on the internet.
At a time (1988) when Nevada whorehouses panicked and cut services to CBJ , agency girls were still "condom optional" for everything.
Street hoes, massage girls and whorehouse girls toiled away at prices of maybe 40-60 bucks. Call girls raised their prices from 160 to 200 bucks or more. 200 was a LOT of money for a hooker in those days.
In those days girls who looked much over 30 were not hired by the good agencies. Girls who gained weight found themselves out of a job.
GFE in those days was just called having "normal sex" with a call girl. There were no acronyms for it.
If you look at the various regional groups you will see a shit ton of NON-GFE girls begging for tricks at 160 an hour. GFE girls always have and always will be the highest paid hookers. GFE girls will always be the top dogs among hookers.
There are plenty of class distinctions in this business. Quality agency call girls were the higher end.
It was just as true in the 80's/90's as it is now.
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I dabbled with streetwalkers, massage parlors, and occasionally call girls back in the 80s. The SWs were definitely "half and half" bj, and intercourse, both covered, one pop and you're out, no kissing or anything else. With the escorts (call girls) GFE was definitely available, (but it wasn't called GFE) and I received DFK back in the 80s long before CDL started his hobby. It was YMMV though, just like now. Some girls did and some didn't. What the internet and sites like TER did is brought us a way to know in advance what service we are likely to receive.
To me the real problem with the internet was that it destroyed the lines of demarcation. Even the lowest level street girl could put an ad up and call herself an "escort" no matter what kind of crappy service she gave.
That's why boards like TER popped up.
The internet fools think they came up with great new things by using politically correct words like "provider" and then "The Girlfriend Experience," aka "GFE"
Prior to the internet there was no need for acronyms or politically correct terms. To top everything else off last decade there was a group of very militant anti-gfe girls in my area who threatened the gfe girls with violence because the non-gfe girls simply could not compete with the gfe girls.
Anyway, when you hire a high end escort she should know what's expected of her. The fact that there is a need for boards like TER is proof that the internet did not necessarily change mongering for the better.
This thread . . . just . . . bwahahaha.
... I have a BDSM session. And that is choreographed by the dominatrix.
If it's a GFE session, it's go with the flow.
usually i love to bend my dick while i cum in her snatch..
you do realize there are currently 1,474,316 answers for your post??
Ones where the sex was great but the chat between cups was nice too. I prefer walking into a room where the gal is either naked or almost so and we start fairly soon.with just minimal chit chat. The sooner my pants are off and we start the better. Talking in between increases my chances of a 2 cupper in an hour.
I do similarly on two-hour sessions. After foreplay and sex, I usually pop around the 45-50 minute mark, then 20 minutes of "down" time (no pun intended), then round 2 starts with just enough time at the end for a quick shower before leaving.
I like a provider to seduce me. I want her to flirt with me and be affectionate as she slowly kisses and undresses me. I want to feel as though she is genuinely hot for me and interested in me. We start sitting on a couch or with her on my lap as she lavishes me with attention that includes a lot of slow sensual DFK. From there we move to the bed after we've undressed each other and continue the aforementioned DFK combined with her exploring my body and me exploring hers with kissing, licking, and sensual touching with nothing being off limits. It progresses slowly and builds in intensity until we are both in the throws of unbridled sexual passion. She squirms, writhes, moans and O's in response to DATY. She can barely stand it until I'm inside her. She loses control and looks deeply into my eyes begging for more while we go at it in missionary.
I've actually had sessions like that and they are unforgettable!!