...And no email/no phone but some guys still try to find a woman ( Isla in wedding crashers: i will find you...).
This guy pmed me last night to stalk a provider, who had cut him off. Wanted her email or phone. I didnt respond and gave her a headsup.Reading the thread last night about women thinking like men, it does occur that female providers are a lot more prevalent than male gigolos. Then I realized the reason women don't pay for it very often......they don't have to.
Even a pachyderm can sit in a bar and find some desperate guy to fuck her.
while in a friction frenzy.
Still get laid. The pachydermesque guys are here on TER and have to pay for it or jack off to porn alone. So pachyderm or not she still gets some for free.
and yes Sherlock Jr, those are not tears that you see with the male pachyderms.
Guess you had to cry to Mommy again.
When you finally get some courage, we can try this again.
Why is it that men get so desperate about it? That you HAVE to have it right then? When reading so many reviews a common phrase is "I wasn't into her but my little head was doing all the thinking." Is it self control? Or physical differences that make men (not sure if this is the correct word) "vulnerable" when it comes to sex?
Regarding guys willing to fuck anything, most girls can get it when they want it. A lot of guys can hardly get it at all, so they are loathe to pass up any opportunity to get their dick wet. Libido is a bitch.
But to go a bit further, it actually wasn't until I had a couple mind-blowing encounters in the hobby that I understood how someone could throw caution to the wind and be willing to walk away from their life for just that one incredible night of passion.
Think of it like a drug addict does. Do they want to wait for that hit or must they have it NOW? I think once you're in that state of mind, it's hard to simply walk away... from most anything that takes control over your mind/life. If you HAVE TO HAVE anything, there is a problem... other than food, water, and shelter, that is.
As for the OP's post, I agree... you can be the ugliest woman on the planet, and still find some dude to buy you drinks, dinner, and fk you. I've seen it countless times as a bartender back in the day. I can't remember a time when I picked up some guy in a bar and went home that night with him, but I am sure it happened lol. I was just too drunk to remember it now. I would never pay a guy for sex, because in most cases (most) women don't want just sex... they want attention and adoration from the sex they give, and if you have to pay for it, it's already too late to buy that illusion. Men, OTOH, don't much care if it's a lie... they just want the sex.
I will say the hobby has showed me just how naive some men are, when I once thought ALL they wanted was a physical act. If that were really the case, GFE would not be the biggest seller in the escort biz. They actually want to feel like we adore them in the midst of getting them off, which kind of screams 'contradiction.' The very same guys bitching about never paying for this and that with a hooker, also want to kiss one, go down on one, and talk to one, so which is it? Either you want ONLY sex and the physical act of getting off, or you want a hell of a lot more and are lying to yourself about it.
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Sure guys want to get off. But many of the really desperate ones, who before this game settled for any Manatee that would fuck them, love the idea that they can be with a hot chick who actually WANTS to fuck them, and not just for the money. So it's very easy for them to buy into the GFE illusion. And the best GFEs can make them believe it.
Hence, "I've fallen for a provider and I can't get up!"
How many times have both men and women used the phrase "It was only sex" when they got caught fkin around? How many times have guys said "I love you, but just wanted to fk her" in that same instance? Welllll, if ALL you wanted was the physical act, why do you need her to PRETEND to adore you?
There are guys out there who don't need any of that shit... they just want a chick to get them off. They won't kiss her, won't go down on her, etc. but will gladly call her to fk when they get the urge. That's why I say it's a contradiction for men who constantly profess that "The hobby is just sex." Not if you add the emotional aspect of delusion to it, it's not.
A guy who just wants sex, does not need a week of emails back and forth before putting his d*ck in someone... he need only show up at the agreed upon time, here, or in the real world. All this, "I need a provider to stare into my eyes" is hilarious for those who claim they ONLY want a non-intimate sexual act.
Now I want the woman to enjoy her time with me but the faking of Os, silly fake ass GFE, does nothing for me. If it is all about the nut why require the DFK after the fact some guys do. Many are fooling themselves in what the really want: acceptance. I think that is what the whole GFE is really about and why so many need CIM or COF.
So, just sex can only mean I come in and say lay down lets get this over with? With NO interaction at all?
There are guys out there who don't need any of that shit... they just want a chick to get them off. They won't kiss her, won't go down on her, etc. but will gladly call her to fk when they get the urge. That's why I say it's a contradiction for men who constantly profess that "The hobby is just sex." Not if you add the emotional aspect of delusion to it, it's not.
A guy who just wants sex, does not need a week of emails back and forth before putting his d*ck in someone... he need only show up at the agreed upon time, here, or in the real world. All this, "I need a provider to stare into my eyes" is hilarious for those who claim they ONLY want a non-intimate sexual act.
I said make up your mind about what YOU want and stop lying to everyone, including yourself. If you need a provider or any woman to pretend you're the king of the world, gaze in your eyes, etc. then it's not 'just sex.' You've made it emotional.
FYI, all the guys I know in RL who just go out and fk women, don't kiss them like they are in a soap opera.
There is no better way to kill my boner than thinking the girl is grossed out.
That's the only reason the GFE thing appeals to me.
I don't need to hear "I love what I do" or "You are amazing!"
And please don't tell me how great my cock is..
That's just embarrassing.
All I'm looking for is the peice of mind knowing I'm not hurting her, or putting her through something unpleasant.
I never signed up for that.
It is basically a lack of self control, Cosette.
As to the main question on the differences between men and women, I love women who think like guys when it comes to sex. I know more than a few who are out-and-out carnivores and predators. Sure, they like the money, but it's the lifestyle, too. They are forces of nature and huge fun to play with.
It's not desperation. It's hard coded in the genes of both men AND women. We can't escape our physiology.
Every woman has a certain degree of "turn on" power over men. That is why sex is "easy" and abundant for any woman. Go to the club, turn on a guy, enjoy your power, watch him perform for you. Better yet, see how many guys you can turn on, watch them compete for you, and choose the best one. It's the supreme confidence of abundance, the never-questioning of availability, that is reflected in a woman's perception of a man's "desperation". Women have always had this power, and take it for granted, in some cases it is the woman that has no "self-control" over her own power. Women use it to compete with other women for men all the time (I'll just say "boob job" to justify that one, hope you get it). Women control sex nearly 100%.
Men don't really have "turn on" power, because women have 1/100th the testosterone of men. It just doesn't work quite the same way in reverse. Men must try to compete and act "manly" so they may be "chosen" by a woman. Abundance breeds apathy, and women tend not to be truly aggressive (not like the men, anyway) and clearly express their choice. Ever have the experience of talking with a great guy or flirting with him, only to wonder "Why the hell doesn't he just make a move already?". Lower testosterone or higher estrogen reduces women's aggressiveness. Bet you are hornier and more aggressive when your testosterone is higher... during your period or when ovulating - that's when you don't wait for the guy and make you own move.
I guess another part is that a guy turns on fast. Maybe this looks like "desperation", or like the "little head" taking control to a woman, who tends to turn on and heat up more slowly. Men have zero ability (physiologically) to control their testosterone response (nor do women, frankly), and zero need (psychologically) to do so when already with a willing woman (one who has already "chosen" them).
Yeah, way more to it, but I can sort of get it in these terms.
Sorry for being long-winded.
Zen
With hard wiring from hormones part.
Then genes make a difference.
Then environmental influences- how they saw sex growing up.
Nevertheless, there's a basic strong drive, which is tempered by our big head.
Then, as inicky says a lack of control in certain occasions and men (to the extreme in predators, who also have psych problems).
Little less wind there.
Yeah.. saw Nicky's response after I posted. He's got a valid part of it. I'd rather keep my illusion of self-control, but self-reflection is part of my Zen gig.
that the guy you really, really want to jump in that club - he's the one who can talk to anyone, any woman, and NOT jump to compete. The guy who has the ultimate self-confidence and self-control to make you wonder why he's not jumping like the other guys. That's the one you want to "choose you". The guy who has mastered himself is the one you want to master you.
Bet you've experienced that, too.
why you are the Master. Damn.
Every woman has a certain degree of "turn on" power over men. That is why sex is "easy" and abundant for any woman. Go to the club, turn on a guy, enjoy your power, watch him perform for you. Better yet, see how many guys you can turn on, watch them compete for you, and choose the best one. It's the supreme confidence of abundance, the never-questioning of availability, that is reflected in a woman's perception of a man's "desperation". Women have always had this power, and take it for granted, in some cases it is the woman that has no "self-control" over her own power. Women use it to compete with other women for men all the time (I'll just say "boob job" to justify that one, hope you get it). Women control sex nearly 100%.
Men don't really have "turn on" power, because women have 1/100th the testosterone of men. It just doesn't work quite the same way in reverse. Men must try to compete and act "manly" so they may be "chosen" by a woman. Abundance breeds apathy, and women tend not to be truly aggressive (not like the men, anyway) and clearly express their choice. Ever have the experience of talking with a great guy or flirting with him, only to wonder "Why the hell doesn't he just make a move already?". Lower testosterone or higher estrogen reduces women's aggressiveness. Bet you are hornier and more aggressive when your testosterone is higher... during your period or when ovulating - that's when you don't wait for the guy and make you own move.
I guess another part is that a guy turns on fast. Maybe this looks like "desperation", or like the "little head" taking control to a woman, who tends to turn on and heat up more slowly. Men have zero ability (physiologically) to control their testosterone response (nor do women, frankly), and zero need (psychologically) to do so when already with a willing woman (one who has already "chosen" them).
Yeah, way more to it, but I can sort of get it in these terms.
Sorry for being long-winded.
Zen
MZ, your turn to polish her backside...
worry ADJ...the 'ickiness' or 'yummy stickiness' is saved for private only 
promise
Don't look now, but people outside of the hobby do it every day. I was celibate for 2 straight years... self control. We are also hard wired to crave food for SURVIVAL but are not all 300 lbs. so I must call bs on that stance. You can CONTROL any urge that comes your way.... well, some people can. This is not exactly the best audience to try and convince of that, however. Does not mean other people can't do what you can't. The mind is actually where the urge starts... not your d*ck. If you can't control your own thought life, then I guess that says it all. We don't have to react to every thought and urge that is put in our minds... some people simply CHOOSE to do so.
"Why bother? What's the point?". Salient then, salient now.
even the celibate have boners, wet dreams and masturbate. Physiology.
Just curious
I am a clergyman, didn't you know that? The whole zen monk thing, etc..? LOL
People who project their own lack of self control onto others, just prove the point. Just because YOU can't do something, does not mean the entire world can't either. I know many men who are not ruled by their d*cks, because they have a mind that is programmed to think of other things that are more important in life. Sure, they have thoughts as we all do, but they don't GO with those thoughts and end up in a hotel room. Don't tell me that whilst in the ER with your dying child, you're actually thinking about how bad you want to bone the nurse, because you are pathetic if that is the case. Well, if you can control your mind in that situation, you can also control it in any other one... think about something ELSE. OMG, how hard is that.
I did not play with myself at all when I was celibate, because I knew how to NOT think about freaking sex. What are we... 15?
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Yeah, well the thread was about guys, and desperation. I AM a guy, and you ain't. You saying I don't know what a wet dream or erection is? Yep... I can avoid masturbation pretty easily. The others... not a chance.
And hell, I still love ya.
I would imagine that is NOT something you could control, being you're asleep.
+1000….thank you. Any physical urge or want can be controlled…it's just a matter of how well one is at doing so. Mind over matter.
The average woman will usually not have sex with him , if he doesn't appeal
to her $$dreams or taste .
The average man is similar to a rooster , not discerning , with no self esteem when it comes to sex .
The average man has a higher income than the average woman , he's accustomed to paying
for all his needs and luxuries .
The average woman has low self esteem accompanying her lower income , paying for a
man is not in her mindset .
To pay for a gigolo she can't call her own , would sink her low self esteem .
Explains why hot women go for ugly dudes... it makes the woman feel better about herself to think 'he can't ever get anyone as hot as me so he will never cheat/leave me,' when the reality is, he sure can if he has money and charm.
Many women go for guys that are not nearly on the same playing field just to feel more secure about themselves in the relationship... ever notice a group of all average women and one hot one? The hot one feels better amongst women who don't look as good as she does. Fk that.. I want hot friends lol.
Some of these hot women are only hot till they open their mouth. Once you spend 10 min with them, you realize that the elevator did not make all the way to the top.. 
So you are right... The hot one wants to feel better about herself amongst ordinary women. But if one of those ordinary looking woman has the smarts, and the self image to go mano-a-mano with the hot woman, it can go all downhill for ther.
It's my observation, albeit based upon ancient experience, that average looking women will often hang out with the hot ones, as it gives them an opportunity to meet the guys who approach the hot one first. If the hot one isn't too bright, or just brushes the guy off, the next one in the group has an open opportunity to go for the guy if she wants to.
Hooktard wants hot friends because she likes to eat p*ssy. LOL!
Most of my friends in real life are too... just call me secure
The subliminal message is actually "just call me."
There are some providers who will not give a ref to any provider that looks better than them lol. So sad.
...And no email/no phone but some guys still try to find a woman ( Isla in wedding crashers: i will find you...).
This guy pmed me last night to stalk a provider, who had cut him off.
Wanted her email or phone.
I didnt respond and gave her a headsup.
"Why don't you just go enjoy yourself while I ice down my balls and spit up blood, team player" bwaahahaha.
This guy pmed me last night to stalk a provider, who had cut him off.
Wanted her email or phone.
I didnt respond and gave her a headsup.
I'm sitting here scratching my head at this one.
You threw some MR. Spock like aphorisms out with a similar fluency in English.
Then you attach a picture of a noted gold digger, who left her talented ugly husband after her show got picked up.
It's amazing because people then took off with their own interpretations from there.
I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt yet...
What do you think your point is? Lol.
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