OK 2. The 2nd is that your post is really wrong and I started skimming long before getting to the end. I'm sure that my short attention span is the culprit. But my real issue is that you're humoring Mr. Deep Probing Drivel by responding, will all but insures that he'll never stop now. I think that's called feeding the troll and popular opinion is that it's a bad thing to do.
Duplicitous,
I am replying to your question referenced to me in the link below. I posted it as a new thread as I thought it would be nice to spread the information and a rant I have. I only noticed the question today.
Yes I do look at the provider as well. However the provider is not the issue. Her actions good, bad, or indifferent are what they are. She made her bed, she now needs to sleep in it for better or for worse. It's judgement time. It's how the client felt about her actions, interpreted them and later reported them that is the most important consideration. The client will report what he feels is germane to the event. That's what I measure. I want to know what the client felt like and what caused him to feel that way.
When I say I review the reviewer, I guess I need to explain. I don't just review the author of the review, I look at the companion. I look at her ads and her pics. I look up her reviews and judge for consistency. I always try to compare myself to the review. Would I be different? Would the same issues be prevalent? Am I a breath of fresh air in respect to the previous experience? To me, the review is the total package (client, companion and of course the event itself). Both sides of the equation must be examined to formulate as fair a judgement as possible.
My clients book for multiple hours. I don't consider it an issue to take an hour or longer to research their needs and wants. Almost all of my clients repeat, not because I am number one on the TER list, which I am not. They repeat because the meeting was what they expected and hopefully I prepared well enough so that I exceeded their expectations. If you are an upper management executive or a good sales person, you know exactly what I am doing. Selling by comparison shopping or promoting by example; these are basic business tools. As long as you avoid promotion by virtue of the Peter Principle, the quality of the product remains pure.
Response from provider reference is simple. I won't go into the specifics as it's a girl thing. You will have to trust me that we know exactly what we want to know and exactly what we want to hear.
It is funny you would ask about different methodologies or modification of screening based on the client's background. You should look at my website. My screening is certainly modified based on your hobby level. It has three tiers and your hobby background will determine your tier and thus your information requirements to me.
Finally, you start to touch base in areas that companions don't talk about. No disrespect but just as many companions have learned to game the system, many clients have as well. I can assure you that I check multiple websites, multiple screening tools, and multiple lists. Google is my friend. Its as valuable a tool for me as it is for you.
I think I want to add a few comments beyond your original questions, if you don't mind.
There are many clients who will never schedule with me. They do not like my screening requirements. To this, I say that's fine. I apologize in advance if you feel I am asking too much. However, it is what it is.
Alias Reviews do not bother me nearly as much as they did in the beginning. Now that they are becoming more frequent, I have actually seen where it comes back to bite the client in many ways. If you are smart, are reading this far into the post, and have read my screening requirements, you will know exactly what I mean. In addition, it's not nearly as difficult as we thought to tie an Alias to a primary TER handle.
In closing, I will say the following as I have seen so much dribble about it lately. I will personally no longer be quiet when you complain about encounters that did not match up to your expectations unless you point the post to YOUR posted REVIEW that also outs her poor performance. It seems that this is an ongoing rant that just will never end, yet the common thread in most of these cases is that you still don't say who the provider was. Even with the Alias to hide behind and to protect your hobby identity, many are still not outing the piss poor provider. This must come to an end. When you receive poor service, when you pay for something and don't get it, when your expectations are not met by a product, you need to do something about it.
The reasoning behind my statement is that given the ultimate tool (unlimited Alias's) you are still not kicking the liars, robbers and bait and switch girls to the curb. I see you providing nothing for your fellow hobbyists to help them select. I see on local boards (at least Phoenix) that this does occur, and mostly under the hobbyists real TER ID and I applaud them. But it's not happening on the general board to any significant extent, and the general board is where the most complaints seem to be centered. If you are complaining about a provider, man up and say who she is. You have an Alias. She does not. To me, this reluctance can only mean one thing. Someone is a liar. If you have the ability to make an alias for every slam and flame, you can out a poor provider very easily. It's not happening for the most obvious of reasons. Those that are complaining the most are getting the least. They don't have a companion to post poorly about as it's too hard to create a review of their own Cheeto encrusted hand.
I hope this turns constructive though I doubt it will.
OK 2. The 2nd is that your post is really wrong and I started skimming long before getting to the end. I'm sure that my short attention span is the culprit. But my real issue is that you're humoring Mr. Deep Probing Drivel by responding, will all but insures that he'll never stop now. I think that's called feeding the troll and popular opinion is that it's a bad thing to do.
Point taken. I may reconsider both issues. Perhaps...maybe...kinda...
Dear Sir: I deeply resent your condescending and mendacious billet doux about me, in particular because it was addressed to the lovely, charming and loquacious Ms. Moore, of whom I am most fond. My correspondences with her give me deep pleasure, during which a warm glow descends over my person, beginning in my pectoral area and finally settling in my turgid loins. It is at these times when a response from Ms. Moore can provide me with a deep, abiding and somewhat damp satisfaction. Also, given your misnomer stating her post is "wrong" when you obviously meant "long," you most certainly should not be propounding any critiques of another person's declaratory abilities. And now, having delivered my missive to you, I must be off, so I may masturbate to my collection of Ms. Moore's posts. She is the only person on the board who takes me seriously and it makes me abundantly moist.
Yours,
Mr. DPD
Why would you give any consideration to anything that blowhard toolbag douchenozzle has to say?
Did you search the idiot's posts for the last 30 days?
That moronic asshat has been a blight on this board for too long, and responding to his drivel only encourages him.
I would think that your time and brain activity are too valuable to even give it a moment's thought....but ultimately only you can decide that.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you had asked me a direct question, no matter how moronic, I would answer you as well. Its just the kind of person I am.
Reagan – my two cents:
How often I agree with you is always mind boggling to me!
In this case I agree that:
Paying for something and NOT receiving it (e.g. Lady doesn’t live up to her TER
Profile) needs to be “outed.”
Liars definitely need to be “outed.”
Robbers definitely need to be “outed” and arrested!
Bait and switch girls definitely need to be “outed.”
However I do NOT agree that Poor Performance or “when your expectations are not met” should necessarily be “outed.” In my case, I only see “Highly Rated” (8’s, 9’s or 10” for Performance) Ladies and if that Lady doesn’t rate same from me I generally chalk it up to YMMV and will do nothing to harm her earning potential, by Posting her first less than stellar Performance Review (I wouldn’t be seeing her if she had a less than stellar Review from a legitimate Reviewer).
Incidentally, this is the only area in your entire Posting that I disagree with. Given its length – that is NOT much of a disagreement.
One other comment. I believe it is ridiculous that Reviewers are allowed to Post Reviews anonymously! A preposterous practice and VERY unfair to the Ladies and I would vote to stop it at once! When I became aware of this practice, I gave second thought to continuing to Post Reviews. We (Reviewers) are granted anonymity with our chosen “Handles,” so to think we (Reviewers) need even more anonymity by using other aliases to post Reviews, regardless of their content, is incredible to me. Who are we afraid of? Ladies?
If a Reviewer is NOT willing to Post a Review under his Handle then don’t. Simple and to the point! I for one want to be able to look at a Reviewers history to determine the validity of his Review and aliases take away that important tool.
By the way, duplicitous (correctly spelled here) means treacherous and fraudulent, which I believe submitting “Alias Reviews” is!
I guess maybe that is more than two cents worth!
I neglected to mention that Duplicitouslust is an asshole (can I say that here?) and doesn’t deserve your attention!
Actually we don't totally disagree on the Alias Review issue. I am of the opinion that this option will slowly go away and be used less frequently. Let me give you my thoughts and tell me if you feel its not possible.
A hobbyist goes a year and only reviews under an Alias. In my screening options he is now at the bottom of the list. He needs to provide far more information than an established hobbyist. The hobbyists will not like this at all.
An Alias posts reviews for a year, ok now he has established an identity and therefore defeated the reason for an Alias. I am happy to screen him.
If a hobbyist is afraid to man up and voice his opinion, then so be it. He can suckle at his mother TERS teat for only so long. And like all the other children who are still being breast fed and protected, his opinion and rants will be in the category of a child and thats his choice.
Finally, the ladies talk rampantly among themselves. The Alias's are not as Alias as some would think.
So nice to hear from you BTW. I hope all is going well.
I have to confess, i am impressed.
This is what I have been preaching for the longest time. It's the really good providers that should be the most outraged by fake reviews and grade inflation. When the system is subverted, it's not only the consumers that suffer, it the truly great providers whose stellar reviews become almost worthless.
I wish all the guys had half the cajones that Reagan has shown here, and the good thing is, I doubt here business is going to suffer in the slightest. It's tough to find the balance between standing up for what you believe and "being a bitch" (or an asshole), Reagan, I think you have found the perfect balance. Kudos to you.
BTW I goes without saying the I find myself in complete agreement with you, Guys that are too spineless to speak up for themselves should not expect our sympathy or our "understanding" TER was created for guys to share their HONEST experiences with other guys, If you don't have the guts to be honest just STFU and remember you are part of the problem, not the solution.
BTW aren't any of you spineless fucktards embarrassed that a woman has bigger stones than you. She came out under her "real" name and told it like it is, a provider on this board has a lot more risk on this board has a lot more risk than any hobbyist, it's her very livelihood at stake, not just the risk that some hooker might not fuck you. To all the manginas out there, if you aren't embarrassed, YOU SHOULD BE!!!
I just created another alias, A_Spineless_Fucktard. Watch for it! And thanks for the idea.
nick
Alias' suck my ass. Then letting them review is total bullshit. But the way Reagan put it, I almost welcome it. Let them try to see a reputable lady when she screens... 'You're WHO, MrPussyfart? Never heard of you. Try again when you grow a pair.'
Fuck yeah. I wish the ladies would come forth with their tales of an alias trying to book with them. It'd make for some funny fucking shit, I'm sure, and I'd love to read about it.
Reagan's hot, smart, cool, and sticks up for herself. I fucking dig that. Can't wait to meet her, if she let's me... 
Oh yeah, Gambler, you said some good things too. lol!
Mikey, its not an if, its just when.
I created this alias not to hide but to play with LP's funny phrase beneath the OP.
inicky
Now, as to "Ms. Moore's" thesis, I don't agree. I understand and appreciate Reagan's screening including reading a potential client's reviews (hell, I hope she reads mine and gets horny, but they will tell her what I like). However, while she is not alone, most providers don't read reviews. Even top providers. It's just not their approach to the business, though it probably should be. Still, if you're registered at P411 or Date-Check with a handful of OKs from well-known providers, have a board presence that's not too obnoxious and a couple of whitelists, you'll be in like Flynn. And an alias that posts reviews for a year still hasn't defeated the reason for an alias. Assuming he posts with another handle that has no reviews but has good screening credentials otherwise, he'll get successfully screened every time. For example, there are lots of guys who don't review at all for a variety of reasons and still are easily screened. Same difference, I'd say.
Personally, I don't care since I'll keep reviewing with my handle. I have no plans to use an alias to review because I think such reviewers have less credibility and I prefer my reviews be helpful to the people who have helped me. If something changes, maybe I'll consider it.
I am really torn on that one. I fully understand your position and I am on board with it.
I had a heated discussion about this very topic a while back with iNicky. I had to eat a little crow on an assumption, but I still stand by part of the basic argument. BTW Nicky was very nice about not rubbing it in that I was wrong. And I never have an issue with admitting when I am wrong.
My assumption is that you can have a less then exceptional experience and yet there is no tangible item to blame it on. I think we have all agreed that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If the girl in the pics is the same girl that answers the door and she looks just like the girl in the pics then nobody can complain. If the providers menu matches what she offered then you cant complain about that. Ruining a providers reputation because you could not help her find a way to make it a stellar experience is uncalled for. If she is who she said, if she performed, if she tried but it didn't meet your expectations, if her menu was correct and all was offered, then I think you have to take pause for the cause and reflect. The key to that is did she really try, and no matter what it just was not there? Thats where the decision becomes so singular. and Thats where maturity, professionalism and being reasonable all cross blurred paths.
My issue would be a bit more of expectations versus reality. And thats a difficult one. Clients often taste from the buffet of providers on a frequent and varied basis. Sometimes SOME clients may choose a provider based on a change of pace. Sometimes its just a bad day. Sometimes the chemistry is not there. I think this is what CDFIX alludes too. Giving out a bad or low review based on the fact that things just were not "right" is a tuff decision. Maybe you expected more kissing and she just did not know. Maybe she likes to be in charge but so do you. There are a million reasons.
I respect that you guys have the right to say how the really feel. I admire the fact that SOME guys understand the difference between a tangible reason for an average visit versus an unknown mismatch. The difference between being an Elite companion or not are small yet important differences. There are small differences between great hobbyists and those that are not as well. Being responsible, mature and reasonable are all parts of what separate them.
Just my two cents, and obviously its going to be slightly biased.
And, Reagan, you know I lust for you in my heart (and elsewhere), but my recollection of our little battle is that it wasn't about a YMMV issue. I'd posted a range of prices I paid to see girls in my neck of the woods and you called bullshit on me based on a mis-reading of my reviews. We had fun fighting, then made up. Make-up sex is great, I'm told. Anyway, is your recollection different? Did we have more than one fight? If so, I'm still owed some make-up sex. LOL!
nick
I am sorry I didn't mean for it to sound that way. Your recollection is spot on. I just didn't go into detail. It was all about reviews and I had not bothered to consider that you didn't review on a frequent basis or even reviewed elsewhere.
The beginning of that thread though was about a guy who gave a crappy review yet in his review said he had a great time, said he would repeat and the girl matched her pics and even said it was one of his better experiences. Yet rated her low. The everyone chimed in and the whole thing got twisted and then I made an incorrect statement. Best I remember.
Or, as my alter ego, duplicitouslust, might say:
Ms. Moore I pine adently for your company. Do you think you might consider arranging for a night of bliss with your logorrheaic knight-errant?
(this is the short version)
You are something of a cunt. Sorry, pal, but you are. I'm sure I wasn't the first to turn you onto this fact.
I'll tell you what, though. When Reagan and I have our 'encounter', I'll be sure to call your lame ass so you can hear her voice while I'm licking that sweet, sweet pussy of her's.
But if you get with her first I will be happy to hear about it. Start saving your cans and bottles.
-- Modified on 8/28/2011 9:54:04 PM
There are simply some hobbyists who insist that they must express their opinion, the play by play, that they saw through their disappointed perception of the events (despite other positive reviews the provider had up to that point) regardless of the impact it may make on the girl's business.
They say that is what "reviews are all about" and they just don't care about the impact it may have.
They don't feel it is their "role" to help a provider's business and they must disclose any and all thoughts, no matter how negative or how "nit-pickily" critical their description of events.
That's just the way it is. They don't give a shit, plain and simple.
Funny, how is it that they knew to see that provider in the first place? Hmmmm... let's see.... oh, yes... her reviews! If that same provider had had 15 similar reviews (like his) before him, he probably wouldn't have gone and seen her in the first place.
No, HE doesn't feel obligated to help her business (or just not hurt it), even though the other positive reviews are what brought him to her in the first place.
I had a client tell me about provider he had seen that had 10/10 reviews and had a high hourly rate, yet there were certain aspects to her that turned him off so much that he couldn't even get hard and finally just left. She offered a refund, but he let her keep it. I checked her recent reviews and they were stellar. Thank god (for her) that he recognized that this was just a YMMV experience and they were not a good fit. Could you imagine getting a review like that?
We are all not each man's cup of tea, and I personally think that when a provider is just not your "cup of tea" and she clearly was for other guys before you, you should just keep your opinions to yourself.
You are not "covering up" a less than stellar experience that needs to be "exposed" by doing that. You are letting the positive reviews she has been and continues to get to draw clients who might have a much better experience than you did because they are a better fit or just because it was better circumstances.
I am not saying not to write critical reviews (ever). I am only talking about when your review is an exception to her other positive reviews. Your less than stellar experience may not be a reflection of the provider's appearance, service or skills as a whole as ReaganMoore pointed out, and if it isn't, then there is no reason to "warn other guys" through your opinions and low scores.
First of all it isn't a reviewers job to care about the reviewed's business. It is the business's job to provide a good experience so a bad review can't be written. It is his job to be honest and call them how he sees them. Now because I severely limit the menu I let women opt out of being reviewed at the beginning of a session if there is nothing I feel I need to warn others about.
But having guys post only the good experiences if the lady other good reviews taints the reviews and makes them worthless. If other guys would have had the balls to post the not 100% great reviews maybe he could have avoided his less then ideal session as he could see they wasn't a match.
Every business on the planet has to deal with rough reviewers. It is a fact of life. If you want reviews you need to take all honest review good or bad. Most intelligent screeners can judge why a review is what it is if they can see a review history and look at the juicy details. How can we judge if you are our kind of tea if we do not have all the facts? That is what reviews are for after all. They are not there to simply be a business generator for the ladies.
Honest reviews always have a place even if they are not so flattering but not a true warning. You ladies just need to live with it just like every other business on the planet.
I made my point. There will never be a consensus because many guys don't care how reviews affect a provider's business.
It doesn't change the fact that it does! And a YMMV review that is very different than the previous stellar ones (let's please stick to this example, not to exposing poor performance, fake pictures, scammers, etc) posted doesn't tell the next guy squat about what his experience will be when the not so great experience was individual.
Screening the reviewers is only for VIPs. Most of us link our reviews right into our websites and ads. Depending on where a girl is advertising, the majority of guys going to your website and clicking on your review link and not going to be privvy to that information. They think reviewers are the experts. And they may not read past the first review to see the other ones. Why knowingly steer other guys away from that girls business just because you didn't click with her like so many others did before you?
Again, the example in the post I'm responding to is when the provider does her best, does what she does (which was stellar to other guys), and the guy just didn't connect to her or the feel the experience was all the great. So she did do her "job" and provided as good of an experience as she could. The experience itself is subjective and she has no control how it is perceived.
It does hurt her business, even just temporarily (when the provider normally gives great sessions and is reviewed as such), no matter how you rationalize the ability for guys to research reviewers.
But having guys post only the good experiences if the lady other good reviews taints the reviews and makes them worthless. If other guys would have had the balls to post the not 100% great reviews maybe he could have avoided his less then ideal session as he could see they wasn't a match.
Every business on the planet has to deal with rough reviewers. It is a fact of life. If you want reviews you need to take all honest review good or bad. Most intelligent screeners can judge why a review is what it is if they can see a review history and look at the juicy details. How can we judge if you are our kind of tea if we do not have all the facts? That is what reviews are for after all. They are not there to simply be a business generator for the ladies.
Honest reviews always have a place even if they are not so flattering but not a true warning. You ladies just need to live with it just like every other business on the planet.
...and what others think of him not withstanding I enjoyed reading your response. Yes, it is long but it was excellently stated and easily understood. I for one was glad to hear how you go about screening. It's always interesting to me to see how things can be from the other side of anything.
Thanks
I will reply only having read the OP & the titles of subsequent posts...
Wow!
Thank you for the illuminating and conscientious post.
xxx
Jinni
I am replying to your question referenced to me in the link below. I posted it as a new thread as I thought it would be nice to spread the information and a rant I have. I only noticed the question today.
Yes I do look at the provider as well. However the provider is not the issue. Her actions good, bad, or indifferent are what they are. She made her bed, she now needs to sleep in it for better or for worse. It's judgement time. It's how the client felt about her actions, interpreted them and later reported them that is the most important consideration. The client will report what he feels is germane to the event. That's what I measure. I want to know what the client felt like and what caused him to feel that way.
When I say I review the reviewer, I guess I need to explain. I don't just review the author of the review, I look at the companion. I look at her ads and her pics. I look up her reviews and judge for consistency. I always try to compare myself to the review. Would I be different? Would the same issues be prevalent? Am I a breath of fresh air in respect to the previous experience? To me, the review is the total package (client, companion and of course the event itself). Both sides of the equation must be examined to formulate as fair a judgement as possible.
My clients book for multiple hours. I don't consider it an issue to take an hour or longer to research their needs and wants. Almost all of my clients repeat, not because I am number one on the TER list, which I am not. They repeat because the meeting was what they expected and hopefully I prepared well enough so that I exceeded their expectations. If you are an upper management executive or a good sales person, you know exactly what I am doing. Selling by comparison shopping or promoting by example; these are basic business tools. As long as you avoid promotion by virtue of the Peter Principle, the quality of the product remains pure.
Response from provider reference is simple. I won't go into the specifics as it's a girl thing. You will have to trust me that we know exactly what we want to know and exactly what we want to hear.
It is funny you would ask about different methodologies or modification of screening based on the client's background. You should look at my website. My screening is certainly modified based on your hobby level. It has three tiers and your hobby background will determine your tier and thus your information requirements to me.
Finally, you start to touch base in areas that companions don't talk about. No disrespect but just as many companions have learned to game the system, many clients have as well. I can assure you that I check multiple websites, multiple screening tools, and multiple lists. Google is my friend. Its as valuable a tool for me as it is for you.
I think I want to add a few comments beyond your original questions, if you don't mind.
There are many clients who will never schedule with me. They do not like my screening requirements. To this, I say that's fine. I apologize in advance if you feel I am asking too much. However, it is what it is.
Alias Reviews do not bother me nearly as much as they did in the beginning. Now that they are becoming more frequent, I have actually seen where it comes back to bite the client in many ways. If you are smart, are reading this far into the post, and have read my screening requirements, you will know exactly what I mean. In addition, it's not nearly as difficult as we thought to tie an Alias to a primary TER handle.
In closing, I will say the following as I have seen so much dribble about it lately. I will personally no longer be quiet when you complain about encounters that did not match up to your expectations unless you point the post to YOUR posted REVIEW that also outs her poor performance. It seems that this is an ongoing rant that just will never end, yet the common thread in most of these cases is that you still don't say who the provider was. Even with the Alias to hide behind and to protect your hobby identity, many are still not outing the piss poor provider. This must come to an end. When you receive poor service, when you pay for something and don't get it, when your expectations are not met by a product, you need to do something about it.
The reasoning behind my statement is that given the ultimate tool (unlimited Alias's) you are still not kicking the liars, robbers and bait and switch girls to the curb. I see you providing nothing for your fellow hobbyists to help them select. I see on local boards (at least Phoenix) that this does occur, and mostly under the hobbyists real TER ID and I applaud them. But it's not happening on the general board to any significant extent, and the general board is where the most complaints seem to be centered. If you are complaining about a provider, man up and say who she is. You have an Alias. She does not. To me, this reluctance can only mean one thing. Someone is a liar. If you have the ability to make an alias for every slam and flame, you can out a poor provider very easily. It's not happening for the most obvious of reasons. Those that are complaining the most are getting the least. They don't have a companion to post poorly about as it's too hard to create a review of their own Cheeto encrusted hand.
I hope this turns constructive though I doubt it will.
Reviewing a reviewer is not the same as references nor is it comparable to a review of a lady. Reviewing the reviewer is gathering information based on what he writes (& has written). In reviewing the reviewer, I look at his experiences, his opinion regarding different topics, his involvement on his regional board, iso's, and I try to remember if I've read him in the past to get a better acquaintance before we meet.
It's a multi-dimensional, subjective processes I try to do objectively.
If I know in advance what impresses you about the best ladies you've seen versus the things you definitely don't like, I am prepared to do my best and impress you as well.
I really like when Reagan said (in so many words) that as providers, we are "evolving". In order to stay in this business, I must enjoy myself as well as share with my clients. It is a rare experience to meet a gentleman who visits me simply to fulfill his own selfish desires. More often, it's a mutual encounter of attraction & satisfaction, no matter what the gentleman may "look" like or any other performance/physical characteristics may apply. I simply require cleanliness, respect and that the gentleman wants me...he chooses me and I in turn verify him ( or not ). If I set an appointment, I'm committing to bring my A game and that's what matters.
I like to say, "My business is OUR pleasure." And I mean it too!
xxx
Jinni
First let me be clear I will provide all the information your sight asks for at any level and more except my handles on the review sites I belong to like TER. Why? The reason is simple, I don't want you reading my reviews. Not that I am ashamed of them, I am not. Nor is it that I want to hide anything, again I am not. Plus I have always let the lady know my handle after the review is up even if it wasn't so stellar. So I am not hiding and I am not afraid to post a not so good review.
The reason I don't share my review information because in the past I have one provider do the very research and decide we wasn't a match because I haven't reviewed any FBSM only ladies and that is what she was and felt I would be disappointed. Truth is about half of the ladies I see are FBSM ladies they often just don't want reviews as they have a fixed location and are sitting ducks foe LE. I had anther lady get the mistaken impression I that preferred CBJ over BBBJ and slipped the cover on when I booked her for her BBBJ skills.
I book each lady for something different. Let me worry about if you offer what I want as what I am looking for is different with each lady. I am more then willing to give screening information out but my reviews are not fully reflective of my tastes. They are only reflective of the ladies I I feel I need to warn people of or ladies that ask for me to review them. Pus not all my reviews are on TER so no one review site has all the ladies I reviewed.
Can you see what I am saying? How do you feel about a client giving all the information you ask for shy of board handles?
One thing I also want to make clear I hate aliased reviews as the are worthless.
A photo for everyone's viewing pleasure. Taken from an ad for Met-Art.com of Caesaria A.
As I said somewhere else, SOME clients like to sample from the buffet of providers. They are looking for something they have not found, looking to find something they have lost, looking for variety or finally just don't have a clue of what they are seeking.
Either way that client has some sort of method to his madness. Something triggers that pavlovian response to push the "Like Button, please schedule". If providers ever get that response down pat your in trouble. That being said, my screening will ask you for your TER handle. If you don't want to supply it, its no big deal, we don't meet. No harm no foul. If you don't supply it under the guise that you don't have one and I find out later that this was not the case then indeed we have an issue. You will have lied to me, and while providers expect to get lied to, lying during screening is a horrible offense. That would not make me a happy camper. Its better that we would just not meet.
I deserve to know as much as is reasonably possible about the man who I give my address, phone number and a time I am going to be alone waiting for him. I need to feel I can trust him to some degree. If you do not feel that way then that's fine. I NEVER want a client who feels uncomfortable or put out. I can understand your position, its just not the same as mine.
Perhaps I just did not get my entire thought process out in a clear manner and for that I apologize. Of course I want to see how you rate who you rate. Make no mistake, its part of me doing the best I can to make your adventure as rewarding as possible. Its my job. If I drive your adventure in the wrong direction, just shove me in reverse and put some new directions in my GPS. You will find it very easy to program and never critical of a change in course. On the other hand, if I see by your reviews that you are known to associate with BB ladies, or meth heads, crack whores, or street walkers or a number of other high risk low life's, well its best we not meet. Let's not avoid the Elephant in the room. There are just people I don't want to associate with if I can help it.
I don't want you to tell me who you have not reviewed (although it would be nice, winning the lottery would be nice as well), but I do feel I am entitled to see who you have reviewed. This is not supposed to be a game of Surprise!!!! In fact, the board exists for just the opposite reason, to keep you from running into an unwanted surprise. Maybe I am not supposed to take advantage of this unintended byproduct. But I will and I do. While its unfortunate that some clients and I will never meet due to my methods and thoughts, I will probably never win the Lotto either. Can't have everything, right?
But if a guy is willing to give his full real name, employment info, city and state of residence, five reputable references, his P411 information, show his drivers licence, traceable cell number, and an email address odds are he isn't LE, robber, or rapist. Which I would be glad to provide plus more like a photo and/or a description if asked. Hell, with that amount of info, I could get a persons life's history in hours. It is more then I have ever had on a lady before I met her for the first time.
But it is best that we never meet. While I openly encourage screening at every opportunity, you take the cake. The only thing you really can't tell about a person from the information I will provide is how I score. That is not a safety issue but a numbers manipulation issue. You aren't looking out for your client's but your score plain and simple.
Yes, Reagan, I am thinking you weed out harsh reviewers. I looked at the men who reviewed you and guess what only one has ever gave out a score below a five and he was early on. Most of the give out eights and better like it is an automatic thing. I think I see what you are really screening for. You are weeding out the tough reviewers. It has nothing to do with safety or pleasing the client.
When added to your past posts it all makes sense.
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You are gaming the system, pure and simple.
Now there is two reasons we will never meet, one I will not give my review handle before I see a lady to avoid ladies like you. And two now I see that you are gaming the system you fail my screening process.
Thats a pretty harsh statement. Accusing a person of something you can't prove and can only assume ...well we know what happens when you assume something.
You just took a play from my book, and honestly it was a poor decision when I did it, and remains one now. I publicly apologized to Inicky for ignoring the same thing you currently ignore. Not everyone who reviews, has written a review on me. But you wouldn't know that. Not all of my reviews are on TER, but you wouldn't know that. You have no idea who my clients are that did not write a review, and as such you have no idea how they score when they do write a review. In other words, your assumption is as flawed as your data set. Don't feel bad. I made that mistake once myself. If I were gaming the system, I would certainly have more reviews than I have, and they would be better.
But let's get back to the meat of the subject. Your accusation is really so far off base it's laughable. But if you want to sling mud, ok that's fine by me. I don't make senseless and needless accusations about things and people I don't know. I simply stated why I feel the way I do and that I wouldn't be happy to find out a client was not honest during the screening process. You are not a mind reader, so don't tell me what I am doing and not doing. Your data and logic are significantly flawed, so again don't tell me what I am or am not doing. Maybe, just maybe, my reviews are what they are because I actually look at what I do from a professional point of view.
You attack me for reviews that I have no control over. Hobbyists who all have the ability to submit an Alias review thats as low as the floor, but I made them post high reviews. You take that up with them if that's how you feel.
I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree. I am sorry that I failed to measure up to your screening standards. But we knew going into this that we did not agree as that was in your first post. If you feel I am gaming the system then so be it. I am not here to change your mind, alter the course of history or pull a rabbit out of my hat. I won't accuse you of anything but being childish in assuming something you have no clue about, nor took the time to reflect on.
Finally, let's just clear this up. You say that I want the reviews so that I can cherry pick ONLY high value reviewers. This would mean that I would have TER members who I have turned down. Your accusation mandates that some TER members have been turned down, that I have said no to them. Other than one member who has a BDSM fantasy which I just am not capable of doing and is not in my menu, show me one. I have NEVER turned down a TER member. Sometimes they have waited 2-3 months for availability, one waited 6 months, but I have never turned down a single ONE. For god sakes look at my reply to Mikey, and his reputation as a difficult client precedes him in BOLD LETTERS. Lovable and entertaining, but can be difficult. Yeah, I cherry pick well.
However, you say I game the system, so let's see it! Find me a member who I turned down. Show me someone who reviews low that I said no to, or that I didn't have time for, or even didn't go out of my way to accommodate. In fact, let me make it easier. Find me anyone who reviews at any level that I have turned down. With the exception of one client, I have seen or have an appointment with to see every TER member who has ever contacted me and been screened. And all of them were with no hesitation or bias based on their reviews
But lets look at MP for one second as you used him as your "difficult" client you are willing to see. This "difficult" client's lowest score is a 10/9. That doesn't put him in the class harsh reviewers group at all. But you say there is other reviewers that are harsh yet chose not to review you, OK if ANY reviewer that has a history of giving out not so good scores steps forward or even PM's me and says you seen him, I will eat my words, but most of your clients that bothered to review you grade high and that is a fact.
You add that to your repeated posts on how we shouldn't grade harsh and how harsh grades hurt providers, the pattern is clear. I can see no other reason to refuse a client that will not provide review information but will provide enough real information to get his whole life story. I meet people alone with much less data like every provider I have ever seen except a few of my wife's friends.
So now given you will see people that do not belong to a review site. I can see no other viable reason why that information would be so vital if adequate other screening information is given then to weed out certain harsh reviewers. Give me a real reason, and not for the benefit of the client garbage as that is a bunch of garbage. Now I get if he lied about it, but just not providing it is not the same thing and you know it.
But you are right that I can't prove my accusations but the evidence is there. I know to many high priced ladies with the same business plan. Hell, I even had the misfortune to have paid one her high dollar amount. The only reason that review isn't up is of her friendship with my wife could cause my wife grief if we went at it.
While Reagan does not need or want me coming to her defense for what it is worth I will offer you the perspective of someone who has seen and reviewed her.
I have seen Reagan twice and for our first date I went through the same screening process that she describes. I read her reviews (and board posts) to get a sense of the woman that I would be spending time with and she told me that she had read some of my reviews as well to figure out what I was looking for in a date.
During our first date I asked her if she would like for me to write her a review. (I do not write a review of every encounter....I review about 1/3 of the ladies that I have seen since joining TER). She said that it was up to me but she would like it if I wrote one. Never once during our 24 hours together did she ask me what the score would be or if the content would be favorable. She was certainlly not priming me to boost her score.....the topic simply never came up.
I have had one high profile provider ask me what score I would give her before I wrote the review (she was pushing for 9+)....I told her she would have to wait and see the review because I don't discuss scores prior to writting a review....but that type of conversation did not occur with Ms. Moore.
I am sure that you will look at my reviews and see that most of them are favorable for the ladies that I have seen and you may think that she did not have to worry because I would automatically give her a good score. If you look through all of my reviews you will see that they are rather lengthy because I put some effort into them and I have given out mediocre scores when they were justified. Over the years I have just gotten better at selecting my companions so my average scores reflect my due diligence.
You are intitled to form your opinion based on your interpertation of her posts but as someone who has spent time with her I will say that you have the wrong opinion of Reagan and her motivations...She is not "Gaming the System" to boost her scores....I would say she has earned them.....she certainly earned mine.....as always just my $0.02 worth.
Happy Hobbying
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And I believe you when you said she doesn't. I also believe you honestly gave her the score you feel she earned. The thing is you are a soft reviewer. You give out more 10's then 7 or less and not once have you gave less then a 6-nice time and you gave out a 6 exactly once. I am not accusing you of shilling, just of not being a tough reviewer. Yes your review are of value it's just with you I would be inclined to shave a point off of your reviews to give a them a more standard curve. I find I have to do that with plenty of reviewers.
The only thing I have accused Reagan Moore of is weeding out harsh reviewers and gaming the system in that way. I have never accused her of more than that. Some restaurants never invite the harsh critics, I feel Ms Moore is dong the same. It is the only explanation of her stance on TER handles on guys willing to give the same or more information as guys that don't belong to TER that she is willing to see. It isn't for her safety as she sees guys that don't belong to TER. It isn't for her clients because if they wanted her to research what they like they would give her the tools to do so like his TER handle. I am open to anther explanation that make sense, yet she has yet to offer one.
Unless She offers a logical explanation that does not reek of BS, or an actual reviewer that I would call a tough reviewer comes forth and proves me wrong and I feel the need to apologize. I am done.
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So you are under the impression that unless someone throws in a few 5's and 6's they are not a tough reviewer??
I learned a long time ago that my hard earned money should not be wasted on women that are likely to give me a 5 or 6 performance. I did the early in my hobby career and decided that I would do my homework for the right provider to spend my $ on....I appluad those who TOFTT but I gave that up along time ago.
As far as my being a "Soft Reviewer" is concerned I would put up my reviews against anyone's for quality...I don't see the value of a 5 line...I showed up...I Came...I left....review that scores a 7/7.....great...low score but not helpful in my opinion.
In my career I have given out one 10/10 review and she has a bunch of them so I was not alone. As I said before I do my homework so the odds of me being disappointed are very low....I will not see someone if I am looking for a 9 but I think that she may prove to be a 6.....that is a waste of my money and it does not make any sense to me.
are inflated or the guys who get 4-5-6 performance dont review for fear of getting dinged themselves.
I just had this expreience where a girl who was getting 8'-9's rushed me out 1/2-3/4 through the session. I had every reason to expect at least an 8 and would have had she not been in such a damned hurry to go spand my money at dinner.
she's getting a fuckin 2. I shoulda stayed home, ordered pizza, and watched anderson silva KO akami.
than I can't be a "tough reviewer", well I couldn't disagree more. If you see top 100 ter reviewed providers chances are you going to have a good to great time. And isn't that the purpose of TER, to read the reviews so you avoid the bad dates. Check my reviews, there's a "3" a "6" and quite a few "7's" The recession has taken it's toll on my income, like many others, so when I hobby now, I prefer to see well reviewed ladies with consistantly great scores. BTW, I used to even TOFTT on occasion, the last time I toftt was with guess who?? Reagan Moore! Gave her an 8/8, you'd think with all the 10's she's received she'd kick me to the side of the road. Not Ms. Moore, we pm each other ocassionally and she's delightful as always. You're really shooting from the hip and have no idea of what you're talking about. Call me a WK, if you wish, I'm sure others who've spent time with Reagan will feel the same as I do.
Yes, Reagan, I am thinking you weed out harsh reviewers. I looked at the men who reviewed you and guess what only one has ever gave out a score below a five and he was early on. Most of the give out eights and better like it is an automatic thing. I think I see what you are really screening for. You are weeding out the tough reviewers. It has nothing to do with safety or pleasing the client
It has something to do with my drinking, am I right? And an occasional temper flare up on here, I imagine. Both, and others I'm sure, can and should be signs that a lady shouldn't see me if she feels she might be indanger. But you know me. We've talked many, many times. Would you not let me play with your son? Or hang out with your wife while you're at work or something?
Reagan and I talk, also. Though not as much as you and I. I think she thinks I could be, and will be, a fun date and she doesn't look at an inevitable high score from me. But I can probably tell you it will be based on her obvious looks and her spirit leads me to believe she'll be dynamite in bed.
Now you two take your ball and go home. You can't play on TER for 15 minutes. That's right, I put you in time out. After that's done, get yourself a pudding pop out of the freezer and watch Scooby Doo. Or clean your room, dammit!
And yes I would let you play with my son.
Scoed,
MP writes all great reviews, but he can be a difficult client. My point with MP is that a challenge in any manner is nothing more than a challenge. It is not to be avoided. I should have picked a different example. MP, to you I specifically apologize.
I have a full pot of coffee so let's take this point by point:
"You add that to your repeated posts on how we shouldn't grade harsh and how harsh grades hurt providers, the pattern is clear."
You point out that I feel a provider should not be given a harsh review, yet you leave out why and under what circumstances. I will say this again. If she looks like her pics, weighs in at her photo weight and YOU picked her, then in my opinion you shouldn't give her a low rating on looks. If her menu was posted, the full menu was available, if her location was clean, if she was clean, sober and presentable, if everything was there but you two just didn't click, you shouldn't rate her low. If she was not the girl in the pics, if she was 3 sizes larger than her pics, if she complained of being to the dentist and thats why oral was not on the menu, if she had a lazy lack luster uninspired attitude or was not minty fresh and presentable, then she made her bed she needs to lay in it and it's your responsibility to review it that way. I have always said this was my opinion. It's in many posts of mine and I stand by it. Of course low scores can affect a provider's business. This is no big secret.
"I can see no other reason to refuse a client that will not provide review information but will provide enough real information to get his whole life story. I meet people alone with much less data"
I am not asking for your life story. I really don't care what other provider's requirements are for meeting you. I don't run their business and they don't run mine. I am sure neither of us hired you to be our consultant. I ask for information that does certain things. I want to make my life easier when I see the client. For 99% of the people, the review shows me what the client liked the most about his previous encounters and what he disliked. The review gives me a window into the providers the client has seen. Certainly, the client may not review every provider he sees, but a snap shot helps. It helps me to understand your inner workings, even if it is only a snap shot. Tuff nuggies if making my life easier so I don't have to read a clients mind to make him happy is an issue with you. For many providers, screening is not just a safety issue any longer, it's a host of tools.
"Give me a real reason, and not for the benefit of the client garbage as that is a bunch of garbage."
I just gave you a reason above. I actually think that you are NOT trolling but that you believe in what you say. You are just too biased or too stubborn to accept that the world changes. The difference between today's provider and the provider of 10 years ago is huge. Are you stereotyping providers? Is it your assumption that the provider is always trying her best to get one up on you and that you are always at financial risk? Is it impossible to think or consider that SOME of today's providers want to provide excellent customer service? We are evolving. That is a constant. The economy is horrible as we all know. You have more highly educated, substance free and independent providers than have ever been available. These ladies moved into this business and brought with them a wealth of strong civilian and corporate business acumen. The fact that you refuse to believe that we research our customer, look at what our customer likes and dislikes and then try our best to package it correctly baffles me. The reviews are only one tool, but they are a tool. Google Analytics is a tool, Quickbooks is a tool, SQL is a tool. I use them all and HTML to a limited extent. Get used to the idea that independents want more control over their service. It's a competitive market and smart providers make sure their customer service is as fine tuned as possible.
"but just not providing it is not the same thing and you know it"
You must not have children. If the client is not going to provide it and he was asked to, then he should state he won't provide it. Anything else is a lie.
"But you are right that I can't prove my accusations but the evidence is there. I know to many high priced ladies with the same business plan."
Of course I am right. I am right not because you foolishly choose a path of ignorance. I am right because it's the truth. You made an accusation without substantial supporting data, foolish at best. The only data you looked at was a handful of very happy clients.
"OK if ANY reviewer that has a history of giving out not so good scores steps forward or even PM's me and says you seen him, I will eat my words,"
By your own words above, you admit you can't support your own accusation. So now you ask me to prove your theory based on a poor data set? Would you like me to make you a sandwich while I do this? Surely you are kidding right? You made the accusation. You need to prove you are not an idiot, not me.
Personally, I would NEVER involve a client to WK for me at my behest. I don't need someone proving my "rep". I am fully capable of standing on my own two feet and defending myself. You are wrong. It's that simple. I don't do what you accuse me of. It's that simple. You admit you can't prove what you said. If you are ready to sit down and apologize for making an accusation you can neither support nor prove, then I am willing to accept it. I am willing to accept we just don't agree on how I run MY business. But an apology is in order. You made an accusation of the worst order and I have been very polite thus far in showing you why it was wrong. I have offered you the opportunity to apologize. It's up to you to consider the merit in that.
I have gotten a PM from a guy that has seen Reagan and that I conciser a harsh reviewer, if you seen him you must not be screening your clients. It is plain I was mistaken. I offer my apologies. I do so because it is the right thing to do. I judged you based on other higher priced ladies I know, a look at your reviewer's reviews, and some comments on review scores that just didn't sit right with me and drawn the wrong conclusion. I was an ass, and I am sorry.
I honestly don't see why you require it on clients that provide enough other screening information that if he wasn't a member of TER you would see him. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't give out my review information to avoid the very thing you say you do with it. I really am not into the fantasy thing at all. I want the ladies to be who they are not who they feel I want them to be. I also don't want to be rejected based on the fact I see all kinds of providers from lower end back page ladies on up.
There is some points in your post I want to address.
"I am sure neither of us hired you to be our consultant."
While you certainly didn't hire me to be your consultant, a few ladies have asked for my professional advice on how to market themselves and those that listened reported an increase of contacts. Of course I didn't get paid but they did have me consult them. I have also at the ladies request taught a few ladies how to screen. Not one who listened ever got busted in a LE infested area like SLC.
" You are just too biased or too stubborn to accept that the world changes. The difference between today's provider and the provider of 10 years ago is huge. Are you stereotyping providers? Is it your assumption that the provider is always trying her best to get one up on you and that you are always at financial risk? Is it impossible to think or consider that SOME of today's providers want to provide excellent customer service? We are evolving. That is a constant. The economy is horrible as we all know. You have more highly educated, substance free and independent providers than have ever been available. These ladies moved into this business and brought with them a wealth of strong civilian and corporate business acumen. The fact that you refuse to believe that we research our customer, look at what our customer likes and dislikes and then try our best to package it correctly baffles me. The reviews are only one tool, but they are a tool. Google Analytics is a tool, Quickbooks is a tool, SQL is a tool. I use them all and HTML to a limited extent. Get used to the idea that independents want more control over their service. It's a competitive market and smart providers make sure their customer service is as fine tuned as possible."
Now this accusation is of the worse sort. My wife is a provider. I am close friends with quite a few providers and I have been friends with some of them longer them I have been hobbying. Some of them like my wife are well educated some are not. I guess I was a little guilty of stereotyping high-end providers for that I apologize. I don't assume that the providers are always trying her best to get one up on me. I have met ladies that provide excellent customer service. Some of which I am extremely grateful for.
I don't know what the hobby was like ten years ago, I started a year and a half ago. I get the the economy is bad as I am a business owner. And because of that it still baffles me why you would turn down verifiable safe clients because they don't feel safe because of getting burned in the past in giving review information. I know I wouldn't. In truly competitive markets you take every quality customer you can get even if they be part of your customer research. I do believe though that any smart business well try to understand their customers. I just don't see forcing the issue on them.
I take great offence that you basically accused me of thinking providers are nothing but money hungry users. I do not. But I wrongfully accused you of gaming your numbers, so I guess it is fair.
"`but just not providing it is not the same thing and you know it'
You must not have children. If the client is not going to provide it and he was asked to, then he should state he won't provide it. Anything else is a lie. "
Yes, I have a son. for you information but that is not important. What is I was never talking about claiming I don't review on TER and other sites in fact I ask if she wants a review, just not giving out my review information like my TER handle until after we meet. That is in no way a lie.
"Of course I am right. I am right not because you foolishly choose a path of ignorance. I am right because it's the truth. You made an accusation without substantial supporting data, foolish at best. The only data you looked at was a handful of very happy clients."
Yes you are right and I was being a bit foolish.
Again I an sorry. I truly was being an ass. I formally apologize an recant what I said about Ms. Moore gaming the system. I was wrong
scoed
P.S. MP, You wasn't the PM, though I would walk away at your request
Apology accepted and as far as I am concerned its all water under the bridge.
my wife says women who swallow usually dont have to apologize. Is that correct? lol
btw my wife does swallow and rarely apologizes.lol
Let me see that bridge of yours 