but if i dont like you, i'm not going to be able to tolerate 2 hours.
no effing way would i commit myself to that without even knowing WHAT is going to show up.
yes i have lost biz from guys who wanted to schedule 2 hours. .. . i told them that i always allow at least 3-4 hours time in between appointments and that should we decide to extend past one hour, that would absolutely be an option.
i think that is very reasonable but alot of guys in the hobby expect things to be a certain way... . their way..... or the "usual way".
i'm unorthodox.. some guys love that but others get all disturbed by it.
I get the point of having a two hour minimum, but for ladies to require it, is a bad business decision. Sometimes, you meet someone and even though it's only an hour, the chemistry doesn't play out. What's the rationale? Please say it's a way to make more money and see fewer guys, because that would be a lot closer to the truth. When providers say, "it's to get to know you better," that's total BS. Sure, if we have a a series of two hour dates, I think, that starts to ring true and I might even remember the color of your eyes, but even at my best, I don't believe that on a first meeting that you could bring yourself to care whether you "know me." Besides, it sounds disingenuous and makes you look foolish in my opinion. What say you?
I don't want to tell women how to run their business, I always set a two hour date since it takes me that long not to be rushed at least the first time. I realize that sometimes you may meet someone and after an hour, you are no longer even interested though I can;t remember when that has happened to me. Each lady can set her own approach and each man can go for it or not.
Two hour appointments were never asked for but more of a request as many have asked for dinner.When I would get these kinds of dates it became something I got used to. Somewhere in my site it says that " I prefer" multiple hours but it does not turn away 1 hour meets either. Sometimes people cannot commit but I enjoy offering that glass of wine and the time to make him feel comfortable. If he is on the go and unable then that to is alright if he wants extra time as he gets to know me , wishes to meet for a cocktail I like to leave it up to him.
I can't speak for all the ladies. I don't even have a REQUIRED 2 hour minimum. I am sure some women do state they have a 2 hour minumum for the reasons you listed.
I can say that I suggest two hours, because I really do want to know who I am dealing with. I enjoy pleasing my clients and I give them exactly what they want + way more. For me there is no way to do the following in an hour:
get the donation out of the way take a shower give a really good massage have a great conversation have even better sex rest go again and maybe again take another shower say our goodbyes
I can do it, will continue to do it. However, I am constantly looking at the clock, and that would really piss off most of my clients.
I simply cannot be away for two hours. I have many other things that need to be done.
But going through your list is rather interesting...
- get the donation out of the way=1 minute - take a shower = 5 minutes - give a really good massage = for me, zero minutes - have a great conversation = 5 minutes at the most have even better sex = That is most of the time! ... The following does not happen for me. rest go again and maybe again ...Back to what happens for me - take another shower = 5 minutes - say our goodbyes = 30 seconds
So for me, since I do not have the time to be away for two hours, a half hour appointment is perfect. It gives me a quick "pick-me-up"
Hey! I offer one-hour appointments and book them, but honestly I get more requests for multiple hours. Why? It's impossible to have a lot of great foreplay, S-- and then a long backrub. Of course, someone who sees me for only an hour won't realize what great backrubs I give and multiple cups. That's all.
Many clients book two hours for a first meeting and are willing to eat the cost if the chemistry is lacking (professional women who are conscious and interested in chemistry too will also modify a donation for a shortened meeting if it just isn't working).
Personally, I think that if a provider is not interested in meeting a ton of new clients who will see her once and never again and instead chooses to angle for long-term guests who prefer more relaxed meetings it is a fit for her business.
It would behoove you to remember that every provider's objective isn't to make the most money or meet the most men. Each provider's approach is colored by what she is personally comfortable with. This is a personal business and while the laws of business still apply, Walmart it is not and what seems unconventional or inappropriate to you may be "just right" for the provider who is advertising it.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I do have a two hour minimum when I have to travel over an hour to see you. I don't want to travel 2+hours for a one hour appt. On the same note, my initial meeting is a 90 minute requirement. I have set up my business that way simply because I don't want a rushed session and it takes time for us to get comfortable with each other. Sometimes the sparks fly and we are "comfortable" in no time, other times we need to sit and chat for a bit. Looking back, I don't think I have had anyone schedule a second appointment for less than 90 minutes, most are 2+ hours. As Ally stated, each person has different objectives and not everyone is into making as much $$ as she can and running. Just as others don't want a "connection" and keep it very business like. That's whats great about TER, you can pick and choose any candy out of the candy store that you like.
agree Cookie completely... There are certain gentlemen I have Only met with for the minimal of 2hrs. I really enjoy their company and the time does in deed slip away. We have a wonderful time and always love hearing from them and look forward to our next meeting. Multiple hr appts are not for everyone and I don't think I want to see everyone for 2hrs or more but for those who it does fit I enjoy our time together completely. Its all in what you are comfortable with.
I like you and I think you are a thinker and someone who loves themselves enough to know when, "its not happening." Your assertions also back the premise of my original post. The extra time benefits the provider and very few give refunds, even the ones who claim to be professional. While I would never compare any of the ladies to a car or a store, or anything inanimate, the fact remains, why put myself through that if it just doesn't seem to work? I am thinking about a situation that happened to me recently and motivated the post. I didn't request a refund, but I put on my pants and excused myself because for me, staying two hours was not in the cards.
Yes, personally for me it would be a bad biz decision.
I get plenty of desirable clients who only seek an hour appointment plus I enjoy all types of men and experiences. Some men don't really need anything but an hour of time for many many reasons... least of all a brutish attitude. My higher time fee discourages brutes though and I have really great experiences luckily.
Less desirable clients are more plentiful at a lower fee. Maybe a lady charges a lower rate and has had bad experiences with one hour only men. Men who want longer segments of time usually are more into a date experience... maybe those are the only experience a 2 hour min lady wants. and if a lady gets enough business income from limiting herself (some ladies do this as a side income) and she is getting the experiences she wants... why complain?
Yes some women want more money.. the end. Avoid those types if you want. But not all ladies demand 2 hours for reasons of profit.
It's not really my cup of tea, So I just move on. Yes, there has been an escort or two I really want to see, however, it's just like the hourly fee, if it's more than what I like to spend I also move on. I don't try to bargain the time or rate, I have to much respect for escorts.
My guess is that you do very well if not better than most. If for nothing else, your head is in the game. So whether it's for profit or some other reason, my only premise was to listen to the drum beat for they sometimes are not playing our song. Telling me that you want to get to know me as the rationale for why I must pay whether I care for the dish is like trying to convince a man that was born blind that he misses the dark. Best wishes!
As Dr Joe so ably stated, we live in a free enterprise system, so the provider can set whatever time & financial parameters she so chooses. Rather than get resentful over those parameters, a hobbyist should just move on if he finds those conditions unreasonable. However, I'd like to suggest a compromise to the 2 hour minimum : a 90 minute session. As I stated in a previous thread,this is the ideal compromise for the hobbyist ( & possibly the provider ), who finds an hour too rushed & 2 hours too pricey.
I was just talking with a friend yesterday about a lady that discontinued her 1 hour appointments, and as a result, the cost of admission is now higher.
Interestingly, she was lamenting that her business is really slow right now. I hope that she connects the dots and reinstates the one hour deal, but then again, I have a vested interest in that
Again we come to the point that this is the provider's business not ours as hobbyist. Regardless of the reason, if a provider wants to only offer 2 hour minimum get together....That is that. If you do not want to shop at that store, do not shop at that store. I have found in my short time participating that a minimum of 90 minutes is what I prefer. The providers I have met thru chat and/or in person are class people. I enjoy the time with them. Like a provider said on one of the boards, the mind is an awesome aphrodesiac.
"even at my best, I don't believe that on a first meeting that you could bring yourself to care whether you 'know me.' "
Then you shouldn't see those ladies. But SOMEONE evidently enjoys seeing them; if they don't get enough clients, they won't impose a 2 hour minimum.
We all like different things. And any one of us may like different things at different times or with different ladies. There are some ladies with whom an hour is all I'm interested in spending, and if they require a 2 hour minimum, I'll pass them by. With other ladies, I may really enjoy a 2 hour date, even if I only drink one cup of coffee.
I understand complaining about a lady who is engaged in egregious behavior like bait-and-switch, serious upsell, cash-and-dash. Or complaining about a lady whose attitude or service level sucks. But other than that, if it's only a question of her hourly rate or a 2 hour minimum or the like -- an issue of whether you want to pay that much in total -- why waste time thinking about ladies you DON'T want to see, instead of spending your time thinking about ladies you DO want to see?
I ask for a 1.5 hour minimum, but many times if Im in New York or Chicago and the gents really only have an hour for a quick nooner, I totally understand that.
I also offer quickies for my regular clients who don't have a minimum requirement as I already know them well.
It is nice to spend a bit of time getting to know someones appetite. Some times this can be accomplished via email but it usually helps to have a bit more time to learn the clients specific body language and needs.
No matter how attractive, how charming, or how much effort she puts into trying to create the GFE delusion, some people simply do not click.
Now I can fill the time with some pleasant convo if it's just not working, but I dont particularly appreciate donating for a lot of convo. I *like* convo, dont get me wrong, but only if the lady is flexible in terms of the length of the date.
I am not going to invest 2hrs of my time and the requisite donation on a first date, unless I already have a very strong sense that I am going to enjoy the lady.
I consider it pretentious to require a 2hr minimum. Now I understand those courtesan style providers who will state that they *suggest* a 2hr first date to facilitate getting to know one another as long as it is not mandatory.
Heck - I remember when 30 minutes was on the menu for a lot of really top notch ladies lol.
Finally I acknowledge that a lady may run her biz as she sees fit. No probs. Simply intended as fair comment.
I say vote with your wallet fella. If two hour minimums are a turn off, then keep shopping for the next lady. Its not as though there is a shortage of providers.
Is it a bad idea? Obviously not. Obviously it works peachy keen for some women. I know this because if it didn't work, women wouldn't do it. We aren't exactly dim here. We know what works and what doesn't. When something clearly isn't working, we get a clue in the form of not having any bussiness. The smart ones change what doesn't work, and keep doing the things that do work. Since there are some women who continue to offer 1.5 or 2 hour minimums, the logical conclusion must be that it works for them.
PS. Don't ever assume you know why any lady does what she does. The key word there is ASS-ume.
Providers have all sorts of rationales behind offering minimums; some may do it for money while others may not. There is not one reason why a provider may require a minimum. For two months I required a 90 minute minimum because I needed to balance the overwhelming requests with working 50 hours at my full-time job. Requiring a minimum booking slowed the calls, which is what I needed. Now I do not require a 90 minute minimum, yet I recommend it because I have found I do not like to rush sessions. I enjoy showering together, cuddling, etc. 60 minutes is no more than 65 minutes for me and there is no way to possibly fit all the goodies in during that time frame. Most of my bookings are longer than 90 minutes and I love it that way! 90 minutes is perfect for allowing me to provide the companionship that my friends typically seek. Xoxo, Giamarie *on my handheld.*
"I required a 90 minute minimum because I needed to balance the overwhelming requests with working 50 hours at my full-time job. Requiring a minimum booking slowed the calls, which is what I needed".
So, I am not missing the point. Your rationale really is in-line with what I said in the original post. The extra time really benefits the provider (money, time, comfort, et al). To suggest that I get something more out it if I am "not that into you" wastes my time and yours. Get past the emotion of it and know that sometimes people don't click, no matter how good they look or how well endowed with this or that.
Many valid reasons for two hour minimum given by the ladies but not mention it is also good marketing strategy. It is the same reason that you have to buy two of the same items like olive oil at Costco. A two hour client @ $700/2h in the hand is worth more than two one hour clients @ $400/hr, with one in the hand now and one in the bush you are hoping to receive a visit from .
I disagree. 1hr date and a 2 hr date is totally different. 1hr is more about sex, 2hr has a lot of other things that the 2 could mutually discover and develop. Plus if you are having a good time, does it depress you when you have to leave with a short 1 hr encounter? I do provide 1hr service, but I like 2 hrs better.
unless the rate is very reasonable, I'm probably not going to see her if 2 hr minimum is a must- provider Angel from Houston was just in NYC- hot body, on reviews it says 350 an hr (but that's just her local rate)- apparently in NYC it was 2 hr min at 1000- I might have gone for 1 hr for 500- b/c I wanted to see her but 1000 was too much to invest for someone I hadn't seen
It's my preference that the one hour is not just about fucking, it's a feel out phase and the extra time only benefits the provider if there is no real chemistry there. Ladies, take off your business hats for a minute and be honest. Of all species on the planet, the human female is the most decisive creature on the planet and you know whether the guy does something for you within minutes of interacting. In the same vein some women do nothing for me, so why abuse my psyche and time because of her need to make a few more bucks. I ask, if I was honest and told you that I didn't want to stay the second hour, would you give me a refund? Likely not!
My MO is 2 or more hour dates if I really got on well with someone. That happens several times a year and I will see that person for however long the string lasts. Currently, I am seeing provider X and it's been 3 years and besides multiple hour dates, we've traveled together when I've had business trips. We click. It's that simple. I have dated very attractive women in my civvy life that some guys would die for, but after fucking, she was as interesting as watching wet paint dry. Through not fault of hers, I needed to leave. I told her that I didn't think we were all that compatible and she thanked me because she didn't waste her time trying to convince me that she was the one.
So ladies this was not telling you about how to run your business as much stating my experience and preferences in the hobby. I have nothing against the ladies I've only seen once and I don't think they remember me either. Unlike some my white knight friends who posted in this thread, I have balls and I am not afraid to tell you to your face that ours was going to be one and done. Besides, you know your repeaters, they fawn all over you and bug you until you wish you've never met them. Ring a bell? Let me pay your fee and go quietly into the night. If by chance, I see you again and the result was different, I'd welcome that too.
-------- I get the point of having a two hour minimum, but for ladies to require it, is a bad business decision. --------
I think it is simply a case of supply/demand.
If the lady finds that the 2-hour minimum had slowed things down, enough to affect normal business, she will bring back (or come up with) the shorter spans.
If on the other hand, the 2-hour minimum is allowing her to meet her income targets, while having a more relaxing time overall, then the 2-hour minimum model is something that works for her. Why modify something that works ?
Bottomline, the market conditions will dictate the modification or elimination of such rules. These are independent businesses who know what works (and does not work) for them and a successful business will have the smarts to modify tactics/strategy as needed. JMHO.
but if i dont like you, i'm not going to be able to tolerate 2 hours.
no effing way would i commit myself to that without even knowing WHAT is going to show up.
yes i have lost biz from guys who wanted to schedule 2 hours. .. . i told them that i always allow at least 3-4 hours time in between appointments and that should we decide to extend past one hour, that would absolutely be an option.
i think that is very reasonable but alot of guys in the hobby expect things to be a certain way... . their way..... or the "usual way".
i'm unorthodox.. some guys love that but others get all disturbed by it.
I am betting guys give you grief, but the providers that demand this and give the flimsy excuse of "getting to know you" are really hurting themselves in the long run. Its too bad that some providers have to really whore themselves out and are afraid to make a stand like yours. Life's short, why force someone to be in your company if things don't click? Show me a really good looking woman and I should you a line of guys who thinks she's not all that. That's life and the door swings both ways.
We get it, you don't want to do 2-hours the first time you meet a lady. There are MANY who have no such minimum so I don't understand why you are so upset that some ladies simply chose a business model that you do not like. Providers with time minimums, as you say, "are really hurting themselves in the long run." (Well, I disagree, but that's beside the point.) So why does it matter so much to you that you feel they are "whoring themselves out and afraid to make a stand..."
Um. What do you think the stand is? Every lady should simply do what works for her. You should do what works for you. If the twains never meet, so be it.
Personally I have a 90-minimum meeting requirement, 2-hours for more intensive sensual healing practices. This is not about making more money (though I do appreciate the low volumn part of the equation, don't get me wrong)... it's because I insist on doing bodywork and conversation as part of my sessions, it's what I offer and I'm damned good at it. Period. I would not be comfortable offering anything else. The clients are not *forced* to relax on my table or in my jacuzzi... they come to see me because I offer these extras with my time.
Or, if they are like you, they don't come to see me. I'm ok with that. I'm sure they are ok with that as well. See - everyone wins! : D
personalizing of your posts. You have said a couple of times in this thread that the other poster should look past emotion - heed your own words.
I don't care if you criticize the idea of a post or even the poster's expression of it, but cut the "You look funny" and "your momma found you at a bus stop" type of shit right now.
I don't do two hours...one hour to first meet. Look at it this way...I get more bang for my buck with two one hour meetings than one two hour. I do what works for me and these lovely ladies do what works for them...isn't it great to be able to choose!
Price can help. I love 1Hr = 200 / 2Hr = 300 type of pricing. If two hours is priced same as 1hr X 2, I don't call for two hours. If two hour appointment is the bargain, I feel like it's her preference as well as mine. (Likewise if 1.5 hr or dinner date is the bargain.) Show us what you prefer while still offering all necessary for business.
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