If I am buying dinner or tickets to an event, it is usually always off the clock. The session is always on the clock.

I always communicate and clarify beforehand so there is no misunderstanding on either party's behalf.

When you take your ATF out on a "date" do you expect her to be on the clock or off?
You know, going out to a fabulous new restaurant, watching a new scare movie

♥ Ava

For example, I have a long time regular whom I pay for two hours, but only 90 minutes is spent in the bedroom and then we go out and dine for about another 75-90 minutes.  So is that on or off the clock? It don't matter because we are both used to the routine.

I've had a lot of 12 and 24 hour dates go a few hours long because her plane didn't leave until so-and-so time and I dropped her off at the airport or train station anyways, so what was that?

In fact I recall one 24 hour date that should have ended at around midnight (Her plane would leave early the next AM.) and as I prepared to leave her hotel room she said:  "You're not expecting me to sleep alone tonight, are you?"  We didn't fool around (We had had about six go arounds in the last 24 hours and I was spent.), but it sure was a nice cuddle.  She got a ride to the airport the next AM, of course.

The main thing is to be clear about it so no one's feelings are hurt.

It also doesn't hurt to either tip or give a gift or demonstrate some way of showing your appreciation for any extra time you get.

Well, that sort of depends on you.  Did YOU suggest dinner and a movie???  If so, and it's "JUST" dinner and a movie than I would think it's off the clock.  Either way I would suggest you clarify before the date!  Just recently dropped my ATF (the only gal I was seeing) because SHE started making all of these suggestions and then when I followed up she would run and hide....the suggestions were never necessary to keep me coming back, but the games were enough for me to drop her and move on....

Nobody makes money like Vegas.  The casinos understand that when you provide extras, for you best clients, you bring in a high volume of business.    

However, most ladies charge for their time, no matter how it is spent.  Many will offer a significant discount for multiple hour dates, especially if the extra time is spent on less demanding activities like having dinner, or seeing a movie.

If she is going out as a friend its off the clock.

Realize the fact there is nothing standard or default or customary in human relationships. When you understand that, you will spend less time asking questions and shall find your own answers.

It was always clear in advance which was on and which was off.  I hate short visits so usually I like a few hours if possible  Often, following such a date, we would go off the clock to dinner.  At other occasions, the whole experience was on the clock.   The best example of an off and on split was a wonderful ten day trip to Europe many years ago when I was travelling a lot and had much more flexibility both time wise and financially.  We had agreed in advance how long, where, and how much.  We were supposed to fly home from our last stop (Paris) but she had never seen London and wanted to. In Paris, she asked if we could go to London.  We extended the visit to include three days in London at her request during which I --of course-- paid all expenses including a nice shopping trip, but the week end was otherwise off the clock and this was clear when she asked to extend the trip.   (The trip was so wonderful, there was a non required gift at the end, but that was a gift and not a professional payment.)  The main thing is to make things clear in advance.

IF you are going to dinner and a moive off the clock.  I do remember this is a business, however, guys this is a business for SEX not watching a moive and dinner.  Now....once you get back from the moive and dinner it's time to start getting it ON and ON the clock.  I hope that make sense to everyone.  It's quite simple.

of perspective.  I almost always slip off somewhere for a drink or bite to eat after a session.  If I am with a lady that I like and sense a comfortable capatibility I will invite them to join me. Often , if they have free time they will. Hell , there have been a few times I spent more on a great dinner and a couple bottles of wine than the session itself and I know the lady enjoyed herself.   To me it is just being a gent.

Depends I dont go out with clients or do outcalls
But I have some special client who are so kind  and bring me delicious lunch
after the date
The "lunch" is off the clock

She asked what do "you" expect, indicating she is interested in the personal viewpoint of whomever wants to answer, as it relates to them.

So why not answer her question instead of pontificating as though she is stupid for asking?

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HH

If HE requests the events then it would be expected that the whole time would be "On The Clock"...  would probably start with a quickie...  and another round of play after.   However, she is free to choose to not accept compensation, presumably if she enjoys his company.

If SHE suggests it, in conjunction with a play time, them I would expect a single play time session HE had requested either before or after the dinner & movie SHE suggested.  

I have often had play times...  and after the play wrapped up with the Fav lady, we went to the hotel resturant for a quick bite (I paid but time was Off The Clock).  Or another Fav, we meet at her home & after a couple of hour session, we chatted a while & she offered & I accepted to cook a nice lunch for us (her treat & off the clock).

I look at who did the inviting. If I invite: ON the clock. If she invites: OFF the clock. Similar to a civie relationship.

However, that's not a hard and fast rule. I still keep in mind the business aspect of the relationship, and consider how much friendship had developed.

If there had never been off the clock time, then I would always expect that my requests are 100% on the clock no matter what. If she invites me, I would clarify with her if she meant off the clock. YES? No Problem!  NO? Then she shouldn't have asked and I'd consider that a problem.

Basically I will not be the first person to inquire about of the clock.

Once off the clock time is part of out professional relationship, I would be willing to ask, but I would not ask to follow the time with a short on-the-clock session. I'd consider that rude and an attempt to get out of paying for a multi-hour.

If she invited me off the clock, and asked we to return with her for dessert. I would expect that to be ON the clock.

In otherwords, without a presendent being set otherwise. I will always pay for the most time.

If the off the clock time became regular, and common, only then would it "expect" it to continue, with either person initiating the request.

In every situation, I will pay for the dineer, movie, etc. no matter who invited. No dutch!I'm old fashionede about that I guess.  But, If she invited me out "on her" for a special reason, I would accept.

If things progressed to common off the clock requests by her followed by her insistance of off the clock session time afterwords, I would propose and become a kept man.


HH

Sorry!  I don't usually do this, but you spelled it that way three times in the same post and I couldn't help myself.  LOL!  I know, it's  just a typo.

I have bad typing skills...when I type fast  :  

Now that's funny...I don't care who you are!

Better start holding those condoms up the the light to look for pinholes first...and avoid the 'in the heat of the moment' bareback. They may want your children...but you don't want the support payments.

When I book an appointment with my ATF she is on the clock for the two hours of sex that I pay for...OK, maybe it stretches into three...

When we go out for dinner afterwards or on a weekend trip to Atlantic City or shopping or when I meet her for lunch or dinner just for the chance to share a meal and some conversation she is off the clock.  This was never my "expectation" it is just the way it worked out. We get along great and always have a good time together with no pressure. I have had similar arrangements with another gal or two but I have also had many other favs that I never shared off the clock time with at all.

Or drank it?

He probably drinks a fifth for breakfast. lol

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I admit to being a loser who has to pay for female intimate companionship.  However, I am not such a loser that I have to pay for female non-intimate companionship.  I have never had a problem getting an attractive woman to eat with me or attend a movie/play/concert/etc. with me.

if she isn't riding me cowgirl, she pays for my time!  i am sooooo fucking cool and fun to be with!  haha!  i am a hobby nightmare, all women want my children.

Posted By: ExoticAvaLove

When you take your ATF out on a "date" do you expect her to be on the clock or off?
You know, going out to a fabulous new restaurant, watching a new scare movie

♥ Ava

Good  points.  The main thing is to be sensitive and flexible.  Recently during a session the girl told me not to worry about time because she had no more bookings that evening.  Later, as we were getting dressed she mentioned she was starving.  So I said, "If you'd like to get some dinner, it's my treat, pick whatever place you'd  like.  We'll just go as friends."  A very pleasant dinner ensued.

For me, I am willing to pay for what we pay for, but I wouldn't want to do dinner and a movie with a provider unless she actually wanted to go. And be that the case - I would expect it to be off the clock.  I've actually never booked dinner and a movie, but I've shown up at a regular's place to be asked, "wanna get dinner first" or had her suggest going to dinner afterwards.
I would never, however, just throw a dinner invitation out there unless I really believed that she enjoyed my company enough to want to go unpaid in the first place.

EOM

Yes, I always assume On the Clock if I'm the one initiating it or if she hasn't said anything specific because last I checked girls in this business are selling time.

But then again, I hardly if ever do On-The-Clock dinners or movies with a provider. Got plenty of civvy female friends for that. lol

And act overwhelming grateful is she allows off the clock.

Assuming "off the clock" will probably get you "on the shit list."

I usually don't like sarcasm, but this one almost made me choke.