How many times have some of you providers said to yourselves. “This is just a temporary gig” or “ I’m better than this”. How many hobbyists have heard a provider mutter words to this extent?

  I’m not going to say that being a provider doesn’t incur risks (legal and otherwise), and there is certainly a toll paid; both emotional as well as social. However; whether being a provider is a segue to a different end, or a long term recourse for not having another marketable skill or an aggregate of unemployables; it hits me as the height of ingratitude for natural blessings as well as vapid stupidity to operate in a chronic state of ‘just getting by’ as such a large percentage of providers seem to do.

  There probably isn’t a guy in this room who hasn’t held a job they loathed. There are certainly many who have, or presently hold jobs that are dirty, demeaning, unglamorous, and take a toll on their health and self esteem. Few (if any) of these jobs have a compensation package where you can buy a new economy car ‘CASH’ after just one month of dedicated work.

 For the staid professionals who realize the awesome gift nature has given them, addressed their inner conflicts, and sought to implement this timeless craft to their best short term as well as long term goals; I applaud them  
To those who insist on questioning and looking their gift horse in the mouth. Your failure will be by your own hand and your own dental health will soon resemble the horse’s          


-- Modified on 1/27/2007 11:28:54 AM

The "Cunt" is a provider that never had the looks to make it into the "bitch class"... She is now over the age of 45, and has been in the industry for at least 20 years!
Her skills in marketing far exceed her skills in bed, and behind the scenes, she is a hateful, spiteful, volital, vindictive CUNT!
She is ALWAYS on tour, and always claims to be in such HIGH demand everywhere she goes!
She posts some sassy tripe on the boards MONTHS before her planned arrival, claiming that a group of men in the area have been BEGGING her to visit their town, and she's FINALLY going to give in to their persistent pleadings and grace them with a visit, but then she follows up her announcement with weekly reminder posts, and makes aloof attempts to join discussion during the week to get her website link on the board as often as possible.... But each time she claims to be sooo fuckin' exclusive, and sooo fuckin' pre-booked, and sooo fuckin' sought after that you should consider yourself sooo fuckin' lucky that she still has a FEW openings!
She make statements like she "MIGHT be willing" to consider seeing some of the "highest level hobbiests" in town and "hopes to make some new friends" with those "upscale gentleman that appreciate the finer things in life"... (Yeah right!)

The truth is she's just a carpet-bagging road whore, that even after all these years in the business has no money saved, no place she really calls home, and no friends! She bases her tour destinations on how cheaply she can book travel and accomedation, since her credit cards a almost maxed!
When she does finally blow into town, she may have scammed a few old geezers into prebooking, but for the most part, she's got an open calendar and sets up a production-line shill factory by offering cheap or even free service to a few old crusty men that will speak well of her on the forums and help her set-the-hook in the jaws of unsuspecting fools!!!

Even further behind the sceens, her life is a slow-motion train wreck! Her personality and emotions are held together by a mixture of booze, anti-depressant meds, and cumpulsive shopping... followed up with more booze...
She manages to scam  one or two victoms a day into booking, and when they complain about how underwhelming their time with her was, she threatens them by reminding them that in the verification prosses she got their real name, home and work phone numbers, and the names of at least one or two other providers that he has seen! And if they DARE breathe a word of this publicly, she will bring their "WHOLE FUCKING WORLD CRASHING DOWN"!
In these late years of her over-stayed career choice, she becomes more and more desperate, as her cash flow slows to a trickle... She combs the bargin racks for any designer-label items she can find to co-benefit both her need to feel better by shopping, and to give the appearance that she is highly paid, and still in the game....

But she still has one emotional release in life,,, She's got a lap-top! and when the bar-tender at the hotel cuts her off, she stumbles up to her room (alone) and logs in to the general disscussion board over the free WiFi that the hotel provides and spews her politically correct screed on the community at large... Or worse, she logs into chat under an alias, pretending to be a hobbiest, and verbally abuses the young pretty girls that she blames for why her phone isn't ringing.... (and she's probably right! lol!)


"Dirty Jesus" is an alter-ego for Ben Dover, I use it when I don't want to he held responsible for what I say! FU2!


(Picture commentary: To what end is the "lifestyle" of whoredom??)

-- Modified on 1/27/2007 9:29:54 AM

I just wish I could sit all day on your faces and draw from your wisdom rather than having to keep listing all of these no-show cunt-sucking wannabes on my site.

If only I had fantastic, rich, astute clientele like you, I could move out of my double wide and get me that new car I have always wanted. I am so damn tired of buying two year old Lexus' with all their problems.

Ya'll come and see me now and help me develop a personal wealth plan.

You know my love cloud hovers, aches and throbs for you and you only.

The one true Houston love machine,

Gianna.

-- Modified on 1/27/2007 10:12:49 AM

In my opinion there is a world of difference between saying 'this is a temp gig' and 'I'm better than this'.  

The former can simply be an indication that she has other plans for herself somewhere down the road and providing is good way to earn money as she moves forward with goals and aspirations.  I realize that some may say this and have no actual plan to lead them to their next life station. However some do.  I have met some who absolutely have their shit together and will be undeterred in moving on when they are ready to assume a new career path.  I've also seen some reach their desired goal and leave as they had planned all along.  For such women this is no different than the guys that you referenced who toiled in a job that may not be their dream or their destiny.  For some they remain stuck there for a long time and for others it is merely a stepping stone to get to the next base.

The latter statement can be an extension of the first but taken by itself it carries a different tone altogether.  It tends to look down on sexual providers and reveals a distinct level of self-loathing.

Instead of visiting a skilled therapist.  Spewing this on a discussion board will not cure you of misogyny.  Then again, perhaps nothing will.  You must be a fun date.  What do you tell the girls?  *I hate you.  Let's fuck*?  Your post sure lives up to the stereotype of the woman-hating john.  Get help.  Your mother will thank you.

1) There are so many people in jobs they don't like, most of them including "customer service" type jobs.  That job category would have to include being a provider.

2) Since the work is illegal and disdained, not too many trysters would start out in life thinking that they would be doing it.  They have to overcome a considerable amount of disdain for it they had absorbed and changed their way of thinking, and perhaps their own moral objections, to do it.  This can't be too easy of a process.  

A guy might end up being on a road crew, but not too many of us would begin by thinking the job is morally reprehensible.  There might be the fear of getting caught, but the problem is the judgment from it is also so internalized.

So working as a provider, you don't have just ordinary job dissatisfaction.  It's far worse if she's burning out on it too.  

?   Or are you just a scrotumless whiteknight looking for a reason to stick your nose up the dripping asses of the lethargic providers in defense of them spending their limited shelf life finding excuses why they are failures and not getting on the stick and being the best and most successful they can be in their craft?

  How do you construe my praise for the providers that are professional and effectual, while chiding the ones that manifest their own failure as "misogyny"?
 


-- Modified on 1/27/2007 11:10:58 AM

You are starting an argument on a false premise and false charge with your broad-brushing accusation!

I love women... I'm just glad that my commitment to them ENDS upon my placement of the "gift-envelope" on the dresser.... (sounds like a typical girl-logic argument... Probably all you need is a hug and you'll stop screaming and accusing...)   ;>





-- Modified on 1/27/2007 11:24:56 AM

Complete with barnyard language and references to genitalia.  Something I might expect from a 12 year old.  Nope -- I take that back.  Children are not that stupid or coarse.

Oh, by the way, you spell it "segue".  Where did you say you received your degree?  It was a B.S., right?

And, of course, your posts are so brave -- which is why you do it under an alias.  What's the matter, tough guy, afraid the women you hate so much will decline to see you if they find out who you are?

I'm sure you have such a depth of understanding of what it must be like to be an ASP due to . . . what, exactly?  Your years of experience as an ASP yourself?  Your incredible compassion and empathy for your fellow human beings?  Hmmm, guess not, but somehow you just know what being an ASP is like.  Oh, right, your great intelligence, I forgot.

Well, thanks for being so courageous to post your insights, albeit from the safe zone of an alias.  

But bear in mind that your hatred for women -- and, yes, my friend, you are seething with it -- is not an insight, but a neurosis, or in extreme cases, a psychosis.  You really do need help, and I'm not being the least bit sarcastic about that.

. . . take them (and you) to the nearest licensed therapist.  Fast.

...wipe my ass with them, fold twice and send then to your therapist to conduct an ink-blot test on you with... My predicted result of your test;  You'll see a woman-hater no matter which way you look at the "bio-blot"...

The problems are in YOUR head... How old were you when your father stopped abusing you?

Don't even try too hang your self-righteous scarlet letter of alias cowardice on me you nuevo champion to floozy feminism.
I didn't flame anyone.
I didn't categorize as "all".
I merely put my muse to cyber text. If you got a problem with it bring forth quantifiable evidence to the converse; but Don't sit there redundantly typing "misogynist"
or cry to the pundits of political correctness about my certain choice of words seen ubiquitously throughout these forums.



-- Modified on 1/27/2007 12:03:29 PM

it's at about the level of maturity I would expect, given your prior posts.

Your posts are not *in my head.*  They are posted on this site for all to see.  Read what you have written.  You refer to women as bitches, cunts and whores.  You expressly state (in another post) that they are good for two things -- to serve as your housemaid, and to serve as a place where you deposit your sperm.  I am simply taking your posts seriously.  If they are intended as *humor,* sorry, I do not find them funny, just as I would not find racist humor funny. If thinking of women as bitches, cunts and whores does not count as misogyny, nothing does.

You really do have a problem.  You will not be able to address it without professional help.  You won't get that help on this site, because this site is not designed to help people with emotional problems, which you clearly have.

Personally I would love it if we could keep this site more or less to its intended purpose (keeping this trade safe and honest), and not as a platform for you to post your rants about women.  If you cannot grow up or change, why don't you keep it to yourself?

Again, hating women is not an insight nor a political stance, but an illness.

I don't evaluate myself (or any person) based on how many reviews they've posted on TER.  That would be a fairly odd way to judge someone.  But if you are going to judge someone in that fashion, then in all fairness stop using your alias and let see who you are.  And, yes, it is cowardly to post under an alias, and you are certainly a coward.

Obviously, you are posting via an alias because there is a part of you that, however dimly, recognizes that what you are saying is shameful and idiotic.

You know, maybe you should go back to using foul language and talking about my genitals.  That's more your style, don't you think?

or a TER iteration of the chrome-domed, Mr. Knowitall of prime time pop psyche Dr. Phil?

Either way; start debating the ideology of the posts rather than slinging plebian epithets as if we actually gave them any credence.  

because they only give you a history dating to Dec of 06.

Somehow from that long and deep history you feel ennobled to pass your pop psyche judgments on one and all here using only your myopic, testosterone challenged thought processes.

 There is a faction of stick up their butt, PC prima donnas here that I'm sure you'll win fast favor with. For the rest you have labeled yourself as a whining eunuch.  

Aren't you glad you went back to cursing at me?  It's so you.

There is no *ideology* in women hating.  Dress it up that way as much as you like, it is still a form of mental illness and a sign of emotional disturbance.

You cannot *debate* with an neurosis.  If someone is paranoid and thinks people are out to get him, I can't debate with that person about his paranoia.

There's no *ideology* or political stance in your posts.  Just a lot of anger directed at women.  

I finding it particularly rich that you try to defend yourself by saying you don't feel this way about *all* women.  If someone blurts out *Black people are lazy and stupid,* I would fairly conclude that person is a racist, even if he turned around and said, *well, golly, I didn't say all Black people are lazy and stupid.*

As Mel Gibson is to anti-Semitism, so you are to woman hating, both of your blurting out your hatred, unprovoked. The only difference is that you don't have the excuse of being drunk.

Let's see if you have any emotional insight at all.  Ask yourself this question: if the accusation that you harbor deep hostility toward woman is not striking a nerve, why are you reacting with such vehemence?  Or how about this: if you are so proud of what you have to say, why are you doing it behind an alias?  Can you give a straight answer to those two questions, or will it be another round of name-calling?

because you continue to post behind an alias.  

Help me out: how does posting woman hating bile behind an alias show that you're manly?  

And help me out with something else: if you're so sure that your views will find favor with the vast majority of the people on this site, why not give us your TER handle?

You've been given so many opportunities in this discussion to tell us who you are, but you won't.  If it's not because you're a coward, can you give an alternate explanation?  How about a straight answer to that question, instead of another round of insults.

RUG is not clear enough to make any particular point.  My reaction on reading his 1st post was to ask if he had a point.

DJ/BenD moves from a rant about his view of a particular class of hooker, to a categorical condemnation of 'whoredom'.   But then, he's very straightforward about his desire to avoid responsibility; and his hypocrisy is so completely open that I'd call it no more than double standards, if he did not himself call it avoiding responsibility.   I think it's more accurate to call him an aggressive hypocrite, ie., the classic asshole.

Both could reasonably be interpreted as hostile to the class of women they patronize specifically, and perhaps women generally.   That would justify the same sort of reaction from women, IMHO.

I think DJ BenD is very conscious of his views, and in no way confused - he's just a straight-up asshole who stays far enough away from real contact with most people, that nobody has kicked his ass into next week yet.   RUG seems pretty confused, and might in fact benefit from therapy - and that's coming from a guy who could cross-examine almost any therapist into gibbering incoherence.  Sure, it may not be a long trip, but it's always fun.

What amazes me is that neither has anything smarter to do that cut loose with such generalized hostility toward providers on THIS board.   I'm the first to say that specific facts should be aired, but you have to wonder WTF these fellows are talking about, but I wouldn't waste time asking them.

Would that life was...or people were...as simple as you and Ben seem to think.

As Tolkien once wrote:

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."

I have known women who have wandered for quite a while in this place, as well as men who have wandered in jobs they "loathed".  However, there is no magic key to "finding your way" through this life, and there is no one acceptable way to do it, either.  Some of the women and men I have known who have wandered have found their way to happiness and security...some haven't.  That's the beauty and the tragedy of life.

I realize that you and Ben (whose attitude has pretty much turned me away from the politics board) know everything, but hopefully you both are so successful in life that you will never need any compassion or empathy from others, because you sure seem to be running on empty in those areas.

Boy, you must really love this rant of yours!!!

This the 3rd time in five months that you've posted it. Take a couple of months off, maybe you can come up with something new!

For all we know this is an underage frustrated virgin, who can't get a date for the prom.

We've always told of the intellect and brightness of the next generation, who knows, this could be proof!

"If the accusation that you harbor deep hostility toward woman is not striking a nerve, why are you reacting with such vehemence?"

 I'm not “vehement” for latent gender issues; I just don't appreciate some pretentious knowitall, pop-psyche bullshit slinger using contrary or non PC opinion as justification for redundantly throwing disparagements and epithets in every direction.

"If you are so proud of what you have to say, why are you doing it behind an alias?"

I used the alias because it fit the subject of my muse. I have scores of aliases that I employ for varied subject matter, responses, humor, or simple literary license.
I used THIS one because it embodied my sentiments in regards to providers not utilizing good work ethics or goal directives along with the working capital they have been blessed with.
I never use an alias to cowardly flame an individual. However; in your case I will break from my ethic.
Please Let me introduce ‘Shutdafuckup’.

And, I reposted it because it FIT! (Or I susposed we could re-plow one of those old favorite topics, like "which is the best condom", or "What do you do when you fall in love with your ATF", or "Fat girls make better lovers", or some other PC, stupid-assed, favorite cudd-chew of yours...

Good thing I'm FREE to post what I want as often as I want... You'd make as good of a moderator as you make lover or porn-star... Don't quit your day-job...

..in a pile of your own shit...

The FACTS of this hobby is that there are MANY, MANY negatives and downsides to various aspects of this ruse of PC that we all are expected to live under!

Does that mean that ALL providers are "bitches, cunts and whores, as well as complete financial-failures inspite of their exceptionally high all-cash incomes... No, I've met many wondrful ladies who do not fit those decriptions what so ever! BUT! Some do!!! So why just to appease your over-sensitivities, but I have to stand down... Better would be for you just to fuck off and let the chips fall where the may... Ater all, My words ARE only on a message doard, of free ideas, and I REPEAT, the problems you suffer ARE in your own mind!!

If I don't grow up or change into the sad-assed excuse of human existance you hold dear, what's it to you?? As far as your opinion that I should "keep it to myself",,, kiss my ass!



-- Modified on 1/27/2007 3:08:34 PM

Keep using the word PC all you want, but your ravings reveal over an over that you are a profoundly disturbed human being.  Honestly, it's pathetic that you cannot carry on a meaningful debate with anyone without dissolving into a blubbering mass of gibberish and foul language.  

Do you address people in this fashion in your non-internet life, when you are dealing with people face to face?  If not, then you are a coward and a hypocrite.  If so, then you must be a sad and lonely little man indeed, because anyone encountering you in the real world would shun you like the plague.

An honest review of a particular incident or provider does help improve the trade.  Your ranting improves nothing.  

When I click on the general discussion board, I'm interested in seeing useful posts.  Not the demented lunacy of a fascist.

You obviously have trouble (by your own admission in other posts) forming normal, healthy relationships with women.  I am sorry you are such an ill person, but again, this site won't help you.

I just happen to realize late in life... that I was going nowhere fast... course, it helped that I had a "push" to get out of my profession....

Seriously, most of the ladies in this biz who have really captured my imagination, have advanced degrees... and are so incredibly smart that it is good to talk with them... about anything.

they are the ones who choose to do this for their own reasons.... and for one, who is not well, I wish her well and a speedy recovery... as she is very sweet... being with her, lifts my own spirit a bit.

I realized this is what i was meant to do....my only regret is not starting sooner!

-- Modified on 1/31/2007 5:18:11 PM

Don't have a woman to beat, so you create a fantasy woman who deserves it?    

You practice and exercise your hatred to obscene proportions, and then it looks to create a delusion it can call justice.  Your meanness has nothing to do with justice except as an excuse.    

Take your vile mental exercises elsewhere.  The question that you answered at length wasn't even posed here.  Nobody asked what a "cunt" was, and who really deserved the insult, but you're certainly showing us what a diseased dick head is.

I think I answered the reasonable part of it, but I still don't understand what peeves you so badly about it.  

If a provider complained to you during a session then I could understand it.  Is that what pisses you off?  Otherwise, your post makes it look like you were just thinking about this and flew into a rage-- like Dirty Jesus.  

Yes, that would seem to be somewhat misogynistic to me.

You don't need a certificate to be a White Knight.    

Now, that was some pretty angry sounding "musing" and so you definitely put the hook out there. Now, I didn't bite, I read what you said ignored the distracting tone, and answered. And for all that **hard work** my post gets ignored while you play the "PC card."  Now come on, were you really misogynistic, or did you want to play "hook the knight."

The fitting must be through through some kind of poetic license issued by the Ministry of Torture.

Even misogynists don't think of themselves as misogynists.  They may name themselves that retroactively, try to make the term some kind of badge of pride.  I doubt that Sam Kinneson even named himself a misogynist.    

So, it's up to people to read your post and give that ruling.  

What I will say is: I don't think your post is  misogynistic.  No, I just think it is badly thought out and badly written, so I could see where somebody can get confused.

So, the number of reviews makes no difference.

Most of us here know who you are dude and you ARE a coward, and your hatred comes through on many of your alter egos.  Get some balls if you feel so strongly on all the issues you address and use your username which many of us we already know.

It was women who do such-and-such.  If he started with: "you know, this provider really pissed me off when she said . . ."  

Instead it was: "Women like this stink . . ."  Notice that it's not "a" woman referred to.  It does make me wonder if he sits there thinking of women he could dislike or hate.  Now, that *is* misogynistic by its thought process.  However, thought process can only be inferred by the results.  Maybe a woman did do this during a session, but if so, his writing is incompetent.  

No, DJ, if his thoughts are misogynistic, it doesn't get better that he qualifies it with "some women."  Then, it's not only misogynistic, it's manipulative as well.  Since there's not definite woman referred to here, the message to women is: "you bitches need to behave better."

As George Carlin pointed out, other people's stuff is always shit, while yours is stuff.  He was referring to material things, but its very fitting for your post, too.

"The FACTS of this hobby is that there are MANY, MANY negatives and downsides to various aspects of this ruse of PC that we all are expected to live under!"

Wow!  I haven't seen a sentence this bad in a long time.  So ironic you would write this after saying he had his head buried in his own shit.  I mean,  you started with an unclear thought, you've over intensified it, over qualified it, over-lengthened it, puffed it up with density, added screaming caps, and made some incompetent grammatical and syntactical errors. It's a work of post-modern art!  

So, let me translate it into clear English, and here is your entire thought:

"Etiquette is bad."

Thank you for this insightful thesis.  Do you know who agrees with you?  The late Madeline Murray-O'Hair.

Now, to prove your thesis, you have to show how your thoughts have been improved through breaking the chains of etiquette.  I'll admit to you, you are working from a deep hole now because so far I'm underwhelmed.    

I want to respond to this [For the staid professionals who realize the awesome gift nature has given them, addressed their inner conflicts, and sought to implement this timeless craft to their best short term as well as long term goals; I applaud them ]

Well thank you very much for the recognition and the compliment.

kisses, lisa butler

Very good post, my friend. I myself have also become disenchanted with the politics board, for the reasons you mentioned. Hopefully, in due time we can return to civil discourse.

Cheers!

It is opinions and argument that are brought to bear (or should be) in these forums, not the individual behind them. If one opines controversially it matters not the individual but the validity of the opinion.

 Through my "cowardly" use of aliases I often bring up opinion that is not mine; but warrants examination none the less. Should my username be made a pariah for merely bringing converse or unpopular opinion not of my own to these forums?
 
BTW- This particular thread/opinion and many others that I’m confident you would label as “misogynistic” have often been the muse of women both in and out of the profession.
If you’re looking to sew a scarlet letter on me you’re seeking to impugn the messenger.




-- Modified on 1/28/2007 8:27:49 PM

Your words AND your cant on it, NOT mine!

Why is such umbrage taken for constructive criticism?
I lauded the providers who plan, focus, and work to achieve a good retirement and/or career change. NOTHING has been said about that! Only outrage and reprisal for pointing out flawed planning and self defeating mindsets.

Zinaval; I would like to award you the title of
"Hero of the stupid" for your ceaseless championing of under achievers.

sounds like a mind dump to me!  Interesting points of view...

It is flattering as well as reassuring to know that some folks can actually READ what is being said rather than merely target and take out of context hot-button sentiments and start name calling without justification.

That is to say, the one you ignored.  

This one you finally answered was full of hypotheticals, pending your answer.  Things like: "It does make me wonder if he sits there thinking of women he could dislike or hate.  Now, that *is* misogynistic by its thought process."  So, at least it got your attention.  

Since the argument on it hinges on your thought process, I've gone back to read your initial post, before Dirty Jesus gave it his ringing endorsement, to find out if I did miss your constructive criticism.  

I don't know how you go from a title like: "Stupid fucking delusional bullshit!" and then say it was constructive criticism.  People get punched in the face for constructive criticism starting like that.  I'll repeat what I said: if not misogynistic, it's badly written.    

". . . it hits me as the height of ingratitude for natural blessings as well as vapid stupidity to operate in a chronic state of ‘just getting by’ as such a large percentage of providers seem to do."

"Height of ingratitude" and "vapid stupidity" are also difficult to cast as constructive criticism here.  I would like to add, if you feel they're being ungrateful, who are they being ungrateful to?  It brings up the question: Do you feel like you're being shorted gratitude by these ladies?    

Then, to put the third paragraph briefly, it says that if it's a line of work they don't enjoy, providers should feel like they're better off than most guys who are in the wrong line of work.  The problem I have with that is: as far as I could tell, they do.  Again, I don't know what the construction is.

In the last paragraph you finally get around to "constructing" and for one sentence you do it by  making exceptions and disclaimers to what you said before.  That's not too constructive either.  That's more like trying to prevent collateral damage.  

You end it with: "To those who insist on questioning and looking their gift horse in the mouth. Your failure will be by your own hand and your own dental health will soon resemble the horse’s."

That's not a constructive criticism either, that's close to being a biblical curse on those who don't heed your wisdom.  

I'll repeat: it's badly written.  You don't seem to have any words or phrases except very inflammatory ones, and you string those together.          

Now, initially, I took this and tried to shake out the thoughts you were trying to convey, but even if I found anything constructive, I'm reluctant to agree with anyone using the phrases I've cited.  Especially after Dirty Jesus endorses it, showing that if it's not misogynistic, you've at least said it in a way that makes real misogynists feel wise to the point of being prophetic.  

If you're going to call "Stupid fucking delusional bullshit!" constructive, then I don't know what your objection can be to "you bitches need to behave better."  At least I put mine in quotes, indicating that I had somebody in mind an antagonistic to myself saying it.  

Your last statement is very confused.  Think about it: the stupid don't underachieve.  Only the skilled and the smart *can* underachieve, which is altogether different from being discontent in your current job, which you might be overachieving in despite your discontent.  

Unless a provider complains about it during a session, or can't enjoy the moment, their wanting a different job doesn't bother me.  Why should it?  Their not having a retirement?  I might criticize somebody for that, but isn't it a completely different issue with whether their content with their jobs?  These two subjects don't belong together.  

If I show sympathy for underachievers, it is probably because I am one.  When I am successful in my career change, I'm still not going to forget that.  Call that a vulnerability, then.          

I say this because your format of multiple redundant points and questions is very similar to her modus operandi of tedious dissection of opinion she doesn't like.

Lets just say you don’t like my opinions or how I express myself, and I have not the inclination to voluntarily submit to your garrulous questioning.

You can start your name calling again at any time.

"I say this because your format of multiple redundant points and questions is very similar to her modus operandi of tedious dissection of opinion she doesn't like."

Translation: "I'm too lazy to read you."

If my posts run long, I consider that maybe people could skim them and find something in it they like.  Redundant points?  Where?  Maybe multiple points supporting a "redundant" argument, but that's a standard writing format.  

"Lets just say you don’t like my opinions or how I express myself, and I have not the inclination to voluntarily submit to your garrulous questioning."

. . . for apparent reasons.

Only that I refuse to waste my time answering to it.

Ya know zin' You and a couple of others are hell bent on hanging the label of “misogynist” on me because I called it the way I see it, and I didn't sugar coat it. If I was talking about MEN who were stupid, lazy and let every neurotic, self defeating form of  “I’m a victim mentality” sabotage and negate a natural born potential for an easy 6 digit annual CASH income I doubt whether you OR my other detractors would give a fly’n shit.
This makes me think that misandry is latent among many here, and my crime is actually general ‘misanthropy’.

How paradoxical for a guy who makes his living on "humor" and the causing of other people to laugh for a pay-check, to have developed a need to drink himself to sleep on a nightly basis, then finally resort to re-hab to pull his world back together... Not someone I'd quote as a bastion of truth...

(You're correct, my writing IS a work of post-modern art! And I could give a damn how you grade my paper on syntax! Kiss my ass!)

Madeline O'hair?? Perhaps I agree with that angry, hurt old cunt  on the ONE fact that "etiquette is bad", but YOU seem to have put your life's trust in her same-held views of God, the creation, life-after-death, matters of resentment and forgivness, as well as an over-important view of post-grad education... Elitist to the core! Both her and you!

She died angry and bitter because her accountant killed her and buried her in her own yard... I suspect you'll eventually die of old-age and natural causes, but no better off... You, like her lie to yourselves and assume that "offense" is the greatest crime against a person or peoples' (Though she seemed to TRY to offend to project her hate, while you wince at any offense, which projects your hurt and incredably thin veneer of emotions on a lage screen that we all can read!) Sad in both counts, but you both have the right to remain as fucked up as you want...)

Side-note... You seem so hell-bent that the world owes you "respect" that you automatically refuse to extend forgivness when some one offers you an apology (thinking that must be what the world seeks from you, you couldn't be more WRONG!)

I do not NEED your "forgiveness", did not ASK for your "forgiveness", and could care less is you "forgive" me or not!  I offered you an "apology" which is that I somehow offended your sensitivities and offered that in the future I would consider my words more carefully now that I have some illumination as to why you're so overly sensitive in that area and I offered some personal-restraint for future conversations and conflicts... I WASN'T SEEKING YOUR FORGIVENESS, AND WOULDN'T WANT IT IF YOU OFFERED IT!!

I need your FORGIVENESS like A FISH NEEDS A BICYCLE!

Your ideas, insights and opinions are missed by me and others on the P&R board, but your pissyness and thin-skinned knee-jerkedness SURELY IS NOT!





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Forgiveness doesn't mean a thing if by all indications the transgressor is just going to the same thing.  Maybe a God can change a person's heart when it forgives, but IMHO, human beings don't have that option.  

When someone would expect forgiveness automatically and acts like a spoiled child when they don't get it, that's what I would call "civilization spoiled."  They expect civilized people to do that.

You're right, you don't need anyone's forgiveness to do the same thing.  

I "apologize" for hurting your sensitivities, but you mis-conclude I am seeking "forgivness"!

Now you continue to assert that "automatic-forgiveness" is in my quest!?!

The "Civilized" ruse is just an excuse for being emotionally maladjusted and overly [and "overtly"] SENSITIVE!!

Since when does "civilized" equal the right to go unchallenged or unoffended just because you're an emotional panty-waist??

If I offered that I would not bring up your friend in future discussions or conflicts with you, then Being a man of my word, that means I acquiesce to your boundry... HOWEVER, not good enough for you! Your STILL are stuck on me somehow needing "deliverence" in your eyes before you'll "step foot" on any boards I moderate!

Absolutely "pansy-plectic" on your part!!!

You've reduced yourself to where you can only feel "comfortable" within a conclave of your like-thinking/feeling peers and protect your sensitive ideals with retreat when challenged!

It's a shame, you can make some rather convincing arguments, but what good will you ever be preaching to your own choir?? You've deminstrated the lack of testicular fortitude to stand against things that don't "feel good"...

I don't need anyone's forgivness, permition, applause or rebuke to to do the same thing or any variable of different things... A simple explination was all that was nessessary and I'd have pulled the post! But you felt more "self-justified stomping out of the room with your knickers twisted!! Personally I think it's just your form of self-flagellation by which you justify your elitist-views!

Carfully dismount from your high-horse, you're so far from the ground it's likely you'll twist an ankle in the stirrup!



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Your posts are worthless, no matter what alias you use.

I just wanted to say..Thank the lord he has given me the gifts to be a lady of the hour, or a lady of the night!!  Who knows where the path will lead me, I am young, smart and creative and adventurous....and I am truly thankful I was blessed with being ultra flexible!  This lady doesnt go home and cry at night..NO Way..

 Loving Life, Sidney Starr

We had already said our FUs and goodbyes weeks ago, then I'm just humbly re-posting some inflammatory retoric to this thread and you start jumping my shit again... I offer to listen, offer limited resolve, and you foament FUs at me via PM... I'm not one to have private PM battles, redirect the conversation here to the thread which caused you to withdraw your previous goodbyes and you now enter into your second retreat... Ok, but I'll see you next time; same Bat-time, same Bat-channel....

In that post, I didn't say you were a misogynist.  I didn't use the word.  I read your post carefully, and I didn't take the hooks that were there.  For all that, you didn't answer that one.  Did you even see it?

Instead you went into a dogfight with inxsnnj.  Now, you didn't have to even pay attention to him.  Since you weren't going to answer me anyway, then I got involved.  Even then, I didn't call you a misogynist, I posed the question of why you give people that impression and I pointed out mistakes you made in communicating.    

There's a big difference between telling it like it is and simply being misunderstood when you tell it.  You think the proof is in the persecution, but I think the problem is in the presentation.  

I agree with you that it's stunning that some providers can't get it together with an amazing income or income potential.  Whether it's because of undiagnosed mental-illness (especially bipolar disease) complicated with a drug problem, a drug problem alone, an extended family that needs a lot of money, a bad relationship with a partner who steals from them, LE busts, simply being unable to deal with the math of money, or perhaps just bad judgment.

But I have no point of reference with it.  I don't know of any males who have that kind of income potential-- other than drug dealers.  From what I gather, most of them can't get their lives together on 6-7 digit income either.

There's a few lessons.  One would be that money doesn't buy invulnerability.  The second is that if you're not careful, money will just magnify your mistakes.

Between the skirmish between you and DJ, and 'inxsnnj' attacking from the flanks on his white charger; words crossed.

 I apologize for the mistake on my part; but not for the unpopular opinion raised.

 Until we meet again in pugilist ideologies…… détente

It's not the fact that you brought anything to the public boards after I took your bait, it's the fact that your posts are almost unreadable with all their clueless errors.

"I 'apologize' for hurting your sensitivities, but you mis-conclude I am seeking 'forgivness'!  Now you continue to assert that "automatic forgiveness" is in my quest!?!"

I could have already said you weren't seeking forgiveness, it means simply you were insincere, which is exactly why I said "fuck you."  You were simply trying to pull one over on me, Ben.  So, how did I make a mistake?  

"The 'Civilized' ruse is just an excuse for being emotionally maladjusted and overly [and 'overtly'] SENSITIVE!!  Since when does "civilized" equal the right to go unchallenged or unoffended just because you're an emotional panty-waist??"

Which part of my last posts on that board did you find challenging, Ben?  You pissed me off.  How is that *fact* even challengeable as a fact?  

For "challenging," do you mean meeting in an alley for a challenge?  Sounds good to me.  

"If I offered that I would not bring up your friend in future discussions or conflicts with you, then Being a man of my word, that means I acquiesce to your boundry... HOWEVER, not good enough for you! Your STILL are stuck on me somehow needing 'deliverence' in your eyes before you'll 'step foot' on any boards I moderate!"

My PMing you recently was a mistake.  I wrote it to explain why your posts afterward about "goddess" was-- idiotic, not to seek an apology. Instead, you took it as an opportunity to manipulate me back to the politics board.  That's what your parsed "apology" was about.  My anger aside, you violated my boundaries exactly for the reasons you won't apologize.  So, why should I come back?  It doesn't matter how good your word is.

"You've reduced yourself to where you can only feel 'comfortable' within a conclave of your like-thinking/feeling peers and protect your sensitive ideals with retreat when challenged!"

When challenged?

"It's a shame, you can make some rather convincing arguments, but what good will you ever be preaching to your own choir?? You've deminstrated the lack of testicular fortitude to stand against things that don't 'feel good'...

This is like judging a man for refusing to play football game that doesn't have goal lines, out-of-bounds lines or penalties.  If the "winner" in your mind is the one who disgusts everyone else into leaving, that's a different game entirely.  

It seem you were still able to decypher what I was attempting to say, so I guess the lines of communication are still open... We've now exchanged our "fuck yous", so perhaps we can move past that...

We must live in VERY different worlds! [no surprise to either of us, lol!] I often still need to function on an on-going basis with people I disagree with, people who hate me, people I cannot stand, but I do it with ease, since I'm not emotionally wired like most other people. (I do not need to "like" someone to work together with them, just like I do not need to "dislike" someone to work in pure opposition to them... My "feelings" rarely come into play.

You seem to be a polar-opposite!(global-pun intended!)

It seems that you take your bat and ball and go home if you feel that an "unfairness" has been committed. That's fine, you're wired more "typical"... Nothing wrong with that...

I think perhaps our communication-break occurred when you interpreted my being "vulgar" as being "hostle"... This rarely happens to me in person, but does happen quite often in written-exchange... I guess at the end of the day you have every right to be offended, just a  I have every right to be offensive, whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

As to to the rest of this... You can hate me until your end of days, that is neither here or there to me... I can listen to what your boundries of offense are and either offer to abide or not, to which I offered limited abidence to you in the hopes that you would re-join P&R discussion, no more, no less.

Given time, you could learn that I am "brutality honest", and my word is an always has been binding.

Whether I am "right" or not in my honesty is open for varience, thus I do listen and adjust over time, according to what I see fit. But I won't take on any structured protocols... Sorry, it's just not in me.

If you ever post on P&R again, great, I'll probably read most of your posts (and respond to some while maintaining your boundries that I recently discovered)
For all I care you can start every thread with "Fuck you Ben" if you like, it don't Bother me. (just don't go jackO on me and start 100 threads like that in the same day, then I'd be forced to be a moderator, lol!)

OR, you can keep your distance, avoid my boards thus guaranteeing  that you, me and anyone else in the room will remain none the richer...

But, I continue to assert, "forgiveness" is irrelevant. An "apology" is merely an acknowlment of trespass, whereas  "seeking forgiveness" is requesting a pardon from a judicator and admission of being under the laws he presides over.

You certainly are not my judge, and you cretainly have no law by which I am subject!

Hopefully this clears up this forgiveness-stand off we've Been having... I'm not seeking it, you are'n't offering it, and life will roll on with or without either of us... virtually un-impacted!

GAWD!!

I wonder how you get through life.

Somehow you've managed to discover women, which to me is mysterious in and of itself.

How can you see through your rage?