Bucharest, Odessa, Kiev, Minsk, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Finland would be nice.

Then the 747 could go south for another 350 ultravixens from
Caracas, Bogota, Rio, Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires, and Santiago.

Being gentlemen, we would provide these ladies with accomodations across the US, legit part time jobs, and community college studies to learn English and pursue a basic education leading to undergraduate degrees.

If we choose ladies form the adult entertainment world, the gratitude would be outstanding, the opposite of any WE (wife experience).

Ladies from these countries are typically slimmer, bustier, more cooperative, much more intellectual, and far more respectful of men than any wife or escort in the US ever thought about over soaps and Godiva chocs. The usual hourly rate in other countries is $30-$70. I kid you not. Been there. And see Escort.cz and Dexterhorn.com for a huge education.

We men can provide a worthwhile life and opportunity for these ladies. Of course we benefit too.

I am interested in hearing from other gents interested in carrying forth this concept.

"Ladies from these countries are typically slimmer, bustier, more cooperative, much more intellectual, and far more respectful of men than any wife or escort in the US ever thought about over soaps and Godiva chocs"

Being gentlemen? I don't think a "gentlemen" would make this kind of statement in front of the ladies...

rather quickly, so the context is not altogether clear.
Sometimes the truth and reality are not pleasant to many US ladies or others, but the truth will set you freer than not.
I have no intention of being a "p*ssy-whipped" male dominated by demanding American women who give up bjs after marriage and dive into the chocolate bowl.

TER men need to discuss the shortcomings of American women as much as the good points.

We men are working hard and shelling out the $1 Billion-plus that supports the thousands of US-companions. Too many women put it into posh living and eating as opposed to fitness, health, and education.

Perhaps some few female readers of the post will use the self criticism as positive reinforcement.

Perhaps many TER men will be liberated and enjoy the extra benefits and lower costs of the fascinating women from the international scene.

More and more reviews are appearing on TER from places such as Caracas, Buenos Aires, Rio, and Prague.
These are quite educational. The two examples below are the tip of the iceburg. Nice vacation spots for American men to enjoy the rest of the world.
www.escorts-Argentina.com, www.sexycaracas.com

No offense intended. Every critique however may be seen as offensive, but should be used for learning not fuming.

Flame away ladies. I'm definitely not bitter, arrogant, or
self righteous though. In my profession, you spend your life critiquing things and it carries over in every way.
The fact is that international ladies typically are 1/4 to 1/2 as expensive, have far better attitude, do not have such obesity problems, and more.
I noticed that implicit threat and invasion of privacy GND.
That is very unprofessional. Members should never be threatened by TER staff or volunteers, not matter how annoying our posts may be to you personally. I doubt that many men will be annoyed by or disagree with this post at all.

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You have made many valuble contributions to TER discussion boards, which we at TER appreciate, but I have also held back many of your most offensive and mean-spirited posts (this one is very mild compared to some of those).  

Not everyone shares your exact tastes, which are more adventurous than most, I think (need I say more?).  There are beautiful, intriguing women who treat a man well from all over the world to be sampled, including many right here in the U.S.  I hope you will use this "for learning and not fuming."

Your posts regarding comments about American ladies come across as bitter.  It sounds more as if you have had a horrifying experience rather than a fulfilling one.  There has to be some point of reference or reasoning for you to be feeling the way you do. From your discription, it sounds like a marital issue gone a rye more than any visit with a lady.

If it is a cost issue, then all one has to do is look at the economics of the country you are in as well as the social structures.  I think that accounts for a lot and that you are not factoring in those aspects, for it is my understanding that many of the well educated ladies do tour here for the economic woes that do entangle the country they are from.  

The only offense I take in your post is the weight issues.  There are some wonderfully fit and beautiful ladies here.  I admit I am not a hardbody, but am quite happy with myself and frankly, not everyone is looking for trim and fit.  I have had arguements from gentlemen that I have met with that have told me that they do not want me to lose anymore weight and love the way I look now.  I think it is rather a question of tastes and not everyone is looking for the Victoria's Secret type model figure or the hardbody.  I believe that is a rather bias outlook myself.

On the other hand, I do feel it is great to enlighten the gents of other avenues to pursue if by chance their travels may take them to the places you suggest.  

You are correct in that a lot of information has been misused.  A problem that makes me fume myself, for those that are honorable and respect that information end up being chastised too.  The ladies from abroad do not usually need that information because the endeavor is quite accepted in the country they are from and so, there isn't any need or risks besides safety to consider.  I do think it is naive to think that these ladies are all golden though and that underhanded slights do not occur in their world either.  

It is all in how one delivers the message as to how others will react and IMHO your delivery needs some work.

Lauren

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It is not my intent to make a generalization of a regionalized gender based solely on some anecdotal examples, so please take the following with a grain of salt. I cannot speak about ladies from south of the border, but a couple of aquaintances of mine have been married for a few years to eastern european ladies. One couple has been married for 2 years and the other for 6 or 7 years. Both ladies were pretty much "fresh off the boat" at the time of their respective weddings. However, aside from their accents and some dishes they cook, they are now as americanized as anyone born and raised in Chicago. Did I say americanized, I mean these ladies are devoted more to capitalism then anyone else I have met. I believe one of the ladies is already a citizen and I'm sure when she said the pledge of allegiance it was shop shop until you drop. The other lady, although a different nationality, believes in the same mall mantra. It is also funny that both guys make the same complaint that their wifes' only wear something a couple of times and then they ship it abroad. These women also citicize their husbands as much or more than any american wife. The guys don't say that their sex life is bad, but they also don't say that it is absolutely incredible. My wife has told me that these women make the same complaints about their spouses as any of her other friends. In fact one of the ladies complains to my wife about about her sex life almost every time they get together.

I think once any women, regardless where they are from, is given a chance to fully take in the american culture they will conduct themselves as any other american. Naturally if a lady only associates with people from her native culture and doesn't seek to expand much beyond that narrow/shallow life, they will probably exhibit behavior that is still somewhat foreign to us.

Personally, my experiences have been far more spectacular with foreign born ladies that have assimilated well and are now quite americanized than those ladies that are still strongly attached to their native culture. Other people may have preferences the other way, but for me that has not been the case.

I will pass on your offer. I prefer to look at women as a full liberated woman, that is not at all repressed, so they can just let all their creative juices out. I don't think I could enjoy a lady if I thought of her in some chauvinistic way as a backward balkanized creature.

If you go this route, hope you have a safe landing.

expectations and living standards for ladies in other countries in previous responses.  Some of us have also stated that most TER members don’t have the time, opportunity or extra money to experience ladies in other countries like you do.

Although it might not be totally appropriate, an analogy can be drawn with your POV and those that advocate moving factories overseas in order to use foreign cheap labors.  Putting aside the economic benefits vs. damages these have affected local communities; not every business or corporation can take advantage of the situation.  Most of the workers here simply cannot survive or thrive on wages that are earned by workers in China or Mexico.  Lots of industries are no longer viable to have manufacturing activities in US.

According to your article, the usual hourly rate for a lady in other countries is $30 - $70.  There are lots of other respectable and less stressful jobs in US that a lady could easily have that offered comparable total income against those rates.  (Remember that a regular job is usually 40hr/wk, a lady cannot work 40hr/wk every week serving clients.  Otherwise, she is just like a sex slave.)  So no matter how much you wish for, those rates are not going to be adopted by ladies here.  Even Russian agencies in US are increasing their rates.  It is just a fact of life living in a high living standard country.  You can easily see that rates of the British and French ladies in their own countries are comparable to those that are charged by independent American ladies in US.

I definitely have a different prospective on ladies than you do.  Just last night, I saw a well reviewed independent lady originally from an Eastern European country.  She has only been in US for the last 2 years.  She is very successful; has many, many reviews.  She is young, beautiful and offers most of the GFE services according to her profile and  reviews.  Unfortunately for me, maybe it is the time of night or lack of chemistry; I have encountered none of them.  She did keep up the routine FS and massage with lots of effort, so I can’t say that she was trying to pull a fast one on me.  I was disappointed but not bitter.  I maintained a gentlemanly approach; inquired about the possibility but didn’t mention or use anything from her reviews to push her or change her mind.  After she left, I went further back in her reviews and noticed that there are occasional incidents that those GFE services are not performed.

Well, too bad I am one of the unlucky hobbyists.  Even though she is from one of the countries you have mentioned and possibly charged those low rates in the past; once she arrived here, everything started to change.  Nonetheless, I am happy to have a chance to meet these free willed women.  Yes, sometimes I got disappointed because some ladies exercise their rights to withhold services that were offered to other hobbyists.  However, to balance things out, I had couple of incidents that ladies offered extra services to me that were not mentioned in any reviews.  That’s just YMMV.

JMHO, a self respecting, independent minded, vibrant, beautiful lady is a much better companion than a self doubting, confused, docile, pretty doll.

p.s. It is moments like this that I really miss riker.  I am sure he would have posted a smarter and much more articulated argument than I do.


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While I Think that Eastern Euro women can be VERY attractive I also know guys who have done the mail order bride thing (or met them through agencies or what not) and end up with a bitch on wheels. I know two guys who married Russian girls, three with Czech/Slovik girls and one with a Hungarian---all but one are separated/divorced now and it did NOT have a happy ending.

Yes, American women can bitch their fair share, but one guy's foreign wife he brought over totally drove him to broke, spent the money like it was going out of style (these eastern euro women aren't used to lots of money and some go hogwild) She was nice enough but spent every dime, delevoped a gambling habit and smoked like a chimney. Another gal who was from Czech (or Slovakia--one of the two) turned my buddy into a pussy whipped mo fo! She yelled, screamed, threw fits, was a bit younger than he was (well, more than a bit) and the guy put up with it and at the end was kissing her ass while she did as she pleased (seeing guys more her age and openly cheating on him) And the clincher is he  put up with it too! forever. finally he came around and after a costly divorce says he's only going American in the future.

So, just wanted to show the other side of the coin.

It's so funny that everyone thinks the eastern european women are so obediant! lol. I mean I got to give them credit for some of their looks, but the ones I know dominate their husbands and curse at them in the foreign tongue and are anything but obediant.

Not for me (Sure, for an hour for $75 bucks when I'm over there) but not for keeps!!!!!

GD