Okay, it's a bit of venting -- in which case we should all just ignore it an move on.
But when you write as if someone else needs to take some action but then don't provide any information I'm not sure what to make of it. I, cynically, often think the poster must have some hidden agenda.
Yes, TER has some rules and if you think this type of situation merits have them make some policy changes at least know what board to post to.
Here I think it would have been better to simply note you cannot review, due to no session having occurred and no money having been paid (in which case a rip-off review would be possible), and just name the provider and explain the last minute demand of some payment.
I posted a review of a scam artist who did not inform me that she wanted a 50% deposit until I arrived.
Had it been in her ad, or part of our conversation, I would treat the request differently.
But asking for it in return for the details to get to her room, that's just wrong and needs to be distributed for all here to make up their own minds.
Unfortunately, I was told the review could not be accepted because I did not actually see the provider.
I don't think online deposits were a thing when this rule was created. Times change, technology evolves and here we are. We need a defense against these scam artists.
While this policy may not change in the near future, there is an option.
Post the information on a regional board!
Vague posts with no information help no one.
Policy can change, just as the world changes.
All it takes is enough people here saying "Please support the users of this site and do not support scammers, thank you!"
They do allow reviews of scams and flag said profiles. However, there needs to be an actual scam. While I agree with you that she should have been upfront, and the timing of asking for a deposit is both in her ad/on her website and during email confirmation. Certainly not once you are parked outside. However, it's only a confirmed scam if she took your money and didn't see you. If you made the wise choice not to send her the deposit and booked it away, you didn't get scammed and therefore do not qualify your review as a scam.
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Sorry this happened to you.
Okay, it's a bit of venting -- in which case we should all just ignore it an move on.
But when you write as if someone else needs to take some action but then don't provide any information I'm not sure what to make of it. I, cynically, often think the poster must have some hidden agenda.
Yes, TER has some rules and if you think this type of situation merits have them make some policy changes at least know what board to post to.
Here I think it would have been better to simply note you cannot review, due to no session having occurred and no money having been paid (in which case a rip-off review would be possible), and just name the provider and explain the last minute demand of some payment.
The system wasn't built for issues that happen before the door opens.
That said, nothing stopping you from posting on the local board or going outside TER and posting on competing forums.
Curious if she has TER reviews already. You seem to have a lot of bad luck.
to have actually seen the provider. If you had paid her the deposit, even in person, but then she split without giving you the session, you can submit the rip-off report, as Jensen says. If you actually get scammed for money you paid, then do the rip-off report, but if you didn't lose any money, you can consider yourself lucky, but you still have the recourse of identifying her on this board for her crooked business practices. This is the "defense" you seek. Complaining here without identifying her just wastes bandwidth.
Seriously, hidden agenda? I asked in my original post for the rule to be reconsidered, as the times and technology have changed.
Not venting. Not revealing who/where it was.
And everybody appears to be content, saying "that's the rule, gotta let it go!"
So here's my agenda - in case it comes off as hidden:
Step into the 2010s - online payments are a thing, deposits are a thing and online deposit scams are a thing.
And the way I get to warn others is to lose my money?
No thank you. And this site is a whole lot less useful for vetting girls who are not honest.
I will consider posting on the boards, but it doesn't solve the problem I'm looking to solve - I want a place where I input a phone number and find out if they're for real or not. Scouring the boards is not where I want to spend my time.
But it's not a scam if she didn't take your money. How do you know if you sent a deposit she wouldn't have delivered the service? You don't. It's bad business the way she asked for it, but it's not a proven scam. These are two different things. But to your point, it wouldn't be a bad idea if you could somehow share this information in a review since you did reach out, confirm a date, got directions, and drove all the way there.
I know a bunch of people use the site to try to know who to avoid, and I understand why, I think the simple fact of things is that is a much lower probability effort. There are so many ways that people can game, cheat, lie, decieve but only one or two ways to be honest. Sure, you can put out a review telling people of bad service or deceptive pics, or both, and reviews for outright rip-offs. But then the name changes, the pics change, maybe the ad site changes, and it starts all over again. It's a game of whak-a-mole.
I've generally found the site to be help when I spend my time looking for providers with reviews that imply I would like seeing her -- and then spending some time vetting those reviews and reviewers. If I don't see that then I don't really care about the other providers not making the cut even if they have okay or even good reviews. When I had VIP and used reviews to search I pretty much never even saw the bad (under 7) reviews. In some cases I might see some for a girl with an average that was over 7 but that is where the work started for me.
If you want to suggest a policy change, the S&P board is where to post. If you want to warn others here about a behavior you didn't like various discussion boards are good for that -- but in that case give a name.
Yet you still haven't explained what kind of hidden agenda a poster would have. Since there are no names here, it cannot be an Ad, it cannot be a hit piece, and it cannot be anything else aimed at a specific person or entity.
So what exactly would this hidden agenda be? Do tell, since I'd hope there's some reasoning behind this train of thought.
I HOPE it's isn't just because of negativity -- something a fooled customer is 100% entitled to, on a forum dedicated to reviews.
Answer this question - if not to me, at least to yourself. Would you have the same energy and thought of hidden agenda if this was the other way around - someone who would be extremely happy? And if not, why?
Negative posts are just as valuable as positive ones. Negative thoughts are just as valuable as positive ones. And I'd argue negative reviews are even more valuable than positive ones.
"But when you write as if someone else needs to take some action but then don't provide any information I'm not sure what to make of it. I, cynically, often think the poster must have some hidden agenda."
Just what should I be explaining? I don't claim the OP HAS some hidden agenda. I simply state my reaction to the OP as it was written. I have no issue with his restatement -- other than what I specifically mention which is just my personal opinion.
". I, cynically, often think the poster must have some hidden agenda."
And I asked you what makes you think so? Not even in the case of op but in general.
" I simply state my reaction to the OP as it was written*
Exactly. So why is your initial reaction that its some hidden agenda? What logically triggers such a ridiculous thought?
All I wanted to know. Why does negative post trigger your hidden agenda detector, yet a positive post of the same kind doesn't? What does it say about the way you think?
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Jensen: "posts like these often make me think poster has a hidden agenda"
Me: "and why do you think that in general? What hidden agenda could possibly be there in th se type of posts if they don't include info ? "
Jensen: "You lack reading comprehension"
Lol.
How can we even have a conversation this way?
You ask Jensen a "difficult" question and he will hit you with "reading comprehension" when your reading comprehension is just fine.
He probably realizes that him stating his reaction to a post as written highlights his bias towards negative posts. He can't even answer what agenda these type of posts might have, but his first reaction is that it's some kind of hidden agenda.
How does this even work? Smh.
If a provider is generally dishonest, she will be that way with everyone, and reviewers will have mentioned it in their reviews of her. However, if she was ONLY dishonest with you, they you should ask yourself what YOU did o said to make her treat you differently. It makes no sense to ask you for a deposit when you have already arrived. Most ladies ask for the full amount on arrival. If she is planning on scamming you, she will want to leave with the money to put in her car, (which is code for give it to her pimp), so why not ask you for all of it on arrival. Your whole scenario doesn't make a lot of sense.
Many providers will schedule a date, but then between the time it was booked and the day of they date, further communication took place that gave them pause, so now they may decide to alter the original arrangement because you have creeped them out or caused them worries about meeting you. Your choice if she changes her requirements is to either go along with it, or pass, but it still doesn't explain why she does not collect all of the money on arrival.
There is no system that will guarantee to work every time. You can enter a phone number search on TER, and if you have VIP status, you can read every word of all of her reviews. Then YOU must make the decision based on what you read whether to proceed with booking. For me, if there are multiple negative comments from reviewers, she would most likely be a pass. If you are booking ladies that do NOT have a profile and reviews on TER, you are increasing your risk of a scam several-fold going in.
He arrived to the parking lot, not her room. She wanted him to send it electronically in order to get the room number. If he was actually in the room with her already, then yes the whole amount is typical, but he was not.
At least you are not out any money. Most providers flake on their appointments. Even legitimate and ones who tend to be reliable. You almost have to expect the arranged appointment will not happen. You have to have 3 or 4 providers for back up. When you have back up providers in place, it won't sting as much.
FYI I tried to cross post a scam alert to a general board and local board but TER only allowed it for one forum. While I can understand not wanting the boards to be spammed with the same alert, this makes it harder to warn about a girl who is touring.