I really don't like kissing the women I pay. It form too much of a connection for me; even though I have permission to play, it feels like I am cheating. I don't DATO ether and I don't want to DATY if she is not into it. I don't mind a good CBJ, so thats not that important ether. None of that reduces what I will pay, so I will still pay my max of $400 per lady per hour even with the limited menu.
Now here is the deal breakers in your scenario, no affection and mechanical sex. I want the lady to pretend we are friends that fuck Not a girlfriend but good friends and that means there has to be some affection. Then you got the mechanical sex. Mechanical sex is not fun. Not fun for ether party. If that is what I am getting I would just watch porn and beat my meat and save my cash. So if those two things are true I will not knowingly pay a dime.
I was just browsing a local board and I came across a very tempting ad. The girl looked super hot and her reviews ranked her with consistent 9s and 10s for looks. A rarity these days. Then after reading a bit more I noticed that she specifically states that she is a non-gfe provider. Everything covered, no kissing, no DATY/O and no affection. Just a CBJ mechanical sex and eye candy.
This brings me to another question. Can you enjoy mechanical sex only with a beautiful woman? I certainly can't. An affectionate woman's touch or kiss to me may be what makes me see extra clients just to save up to see her again. And this has been the case throughout my hobby career.
So taking away the GFE factor. What is your limit on spending under these circumstances?
In my humble opinion. ZERO no GFE or PSE then I take my ball and play elsewhere.
If you pay a woman for her to fuck you then you are interested in prostitutes. You just aren't into street walker blow and gos and you want some affection. I share that wish in a woman I pay.
I prefer the GFE type with kissing and DATY but I'm under no illusion that she is prostitute or if you prefer "sex worker" and I am a john.
It's not necessarily blow-and-go and it's not necessarily mechanical either if it's not gfe (friendly convo, share a drink, body rub, "regular sex", some russian cbj/bbbj imo is more "classic escort companionship" to me but to some that even might borderline gfe since for some it's more about the overall experience and not every single sex act). I have different rates if it's gfe or if it's not. Not everyone wants to make-out with a provider and I don't kiss everyone in real life and don't want to in the hobby either...fine (though I love the GFE experience). I know some girls who without kissing consider it a gfe experience if you do bbbj (sounds a little ridiculous to me too).
Also I've seen with mine eyes a few guys who have paid about 300 for the hour for "regular sex", no daty, no kissing and cbj but thought she was super-hot so I guess that balanced somehow *shrugs*
Posted By: Proud_Monger
If you pay a woman for her to fuck you then you are interested in prostitutes. You just aren't into street walker blow and gos and you want some affection. I share that wish in a woman I pay.
I prefer the GFE type with kissing and DATY but I'm under no illusion that she is prostitute or if you prefer "sex worker" and I am a john.
But now that I've experienced it, there's no way I'd go the non-GFE route any more. The closest I've come is a few girls who offer only CBJ but all other GFE services. There's one who's so hot I'll settle for CBJ just to be with her. That's my only exception so far.
but I don't expect it every time, not even at home. If I read that she is not then I probably will not see her unless she is really good at something. I have TOFTT a few times and had some GFE and some not. On the non GFE I would still recomend a visit if you know what you are going to get and the price is right. Last one was not but she loved to fuck and hit it as hard as I did. Shame as she had a pussy that just begged to be licked.
But kissing and DATY is a must for me. The last thing I want is to get a disease from a sex worker.
I bring flavored condoms with me in case its someone who can't take the taste of latex. One woman just told me she couldn't stand the taste of regular condoms and prefered giving BBBJs.
One of my faves doesn't offer kissing or BBBJ, but our sessions are incredibly passionate and spontaneous, ranging from bed to couch to floor to kitchen counter. It doesn't hurt that just to look at her feels like a sex act, and it helps that she responds so intensely to DATY. When I think back on all of my experiences with escorts, the fact that my time with her hasn't included a couple of checklist items, nice as they would be, seems trivial.
He said session w/o daty & passion. Do you use a dental dam?
I didn't get that the post was about the term GFE. There is a SPECTRUM of sessions and the OP was refering to a certain type. I run into EXACTLY that type of provider with those service and I will not EVER book that again.
Although I might book your girl. Especially if she was willing to be boung and gagged for daty.
he got the idea that the provider offered "no affection, just mechanical sex". I've never seen that in an ad. If anyone infers it from "non-GFE", I think it's worth saying that they shouldn't. My reply wasn't about the term GFE, either, except as shorthand for kissing and BBBJ. Bondage optional.
My 2 deal breakers are bbbj and dfk. If those are not on the menu, she won't get a visit from me. I'm not sure I could really enjoy a mechanical encounter with a cbj and ordinary no-kiss sex.
Thinking back to the pre-GFE days of the P4P life I had dating back to the 1970s, there were some really fine gals I saw and often kissing, caressing and other forms of GFE activites were offered, though the term GFE was decades away from use.
The more mechanical sessions were OK back then, but I see no reason to return to them now then I do buying a camera that you load with film. The world has changed, and for the better too.
Just wondering if she is in one of the smaller cities or ad TER calls it " other cities". I am in a city like that and with not a lot of quality girls around some of the local girls really have stupid rules and egos. Thank heavens for touring girls who have still kept me in the hobby.
I've seen several such ads for Honolulu / Waikiki, even a few for LA and other mainland cities.
Not sure if 'transplant' is now in Hawaii, or if he is from there. A lot of mainland honeys come to visit during the winter and some are downright rude in what they do or do not offer. But nearly all of them hit the streets in Waikiki late every evening and then you get the luck of the stroll.
Thank god for TER. I'll never again hit a hottie with no reviews. Even the AMPs in Hawaii have a couple of good review systems for the girls who can't make it into TER.
It's only GFE for me. Not withstanding that in some cases what one person thinks GFE means isn't the same as what another may think. Kissing in all it's forms and the one thing leading to another type of encounter (DATY, bbbj, etc.) is what I'm looking for.
Maybe im dumb, but I like this girl. No kissing, CBJ, but the sex is great. Once in awhile I can lick her pussy, but she wont let me everytime. We just have a really good connection.
I wouldn't pay to be with a woman like that. Glad it works out for you and you are happy with her. Having a simulated emotional intimacy where there is mutual pleasure is more my thing.
Now I don't go down a check list for GFE... but I know when I recieve it. I would not book if GFE was not supposed to be in the description... after the meeting, I'll decide if my level was met.
Was talking with a true gentleman a while ago and asked him about his experiences in MPs. He has so much more knowledge about, fuck, everything, and listening to him regurgitate a different story makes me realize how little I know.
Anyway, I asked him about this and that, and it makes me want to try different things.
The non-GFE deal I'm not really into. I mean, I want to get my dick wet. Eventually stick it in a woman's pussy. You're definition of 'mechanical sex', ie everything covered, no kissing, no DATY/O, I'll do without.
However, I'm willing(after my conversation today) to try a MP because from what I understand you can get more than you bargained for when you walk in the door.
And seeing as how I'm such a handsome SOB, I figure I'll get more than my money's worth which is usually the case anyway!
Hey, there, Big Boy! I hear you are "such a handsome SOB," and I wanna get your dick wet. I can be whatever you want me to be; total GFE or I'll give you 'mechanical sex' that'll knock your Rosary Beads off. Like they say, You had the rest, now have the best. Mother "T" Best 'Tang in Town
I was just browsing a local board and I came across a very tempting ad. The girl looked super hot and her reviews ranked her with consistent 9s and 10s for looks. A rarity these days. Then after reading a bit more I noticed that she specifically states that she is a non-gfe provider. Everything covered, no kissing, no DATY/O and no affection. Just a CBJ mechanical sex and eye candy.
This brings me to another question. Can you enjoy mechanical sex only with a beautiful woman? I certainly can't. An affectionate woman's touch or kiss to me may be what makes me see extra clients just to save up to see her again. And this has been the case throughout my hobby career.
So taking away the GFE factor. What is your limit on spending under these circumstances?
In my humble opinion. ZERO no GFE or PSE then I take my ball and play elsewhere.
Based on your description, she sounds more like a Nevada brothel worker than an indie ...LOL!
Even if a non-GFE provider has the body and looks of a supermodel, I would still prefer a true GFE or GFE/PSE provider.
I really don't like kissing the women I pay. It form too much of a connection for me; even though I have permission to play, it feels like I am cheating. I don't DATO ether and I don't want to DATY if she is not into it. I don't mind a good CBJ, so thats not that important ether. None of that reduces what I will pay, so I will still pay my max of $400 per lady per hour even with the limited menu.
Now here is the deal breakers in your scenario, no affection and mechanical sex. I want the lady to pretend we are friends that fuck Not a girlfriend but good friends and that means there has to be some affection. Then you got the mechanical sex. Mechanical sex is not fun. Not fun for ether party. If that is what I am getting I would just watch porn and beat my meat and save my cash. So if those two things are true I will not knowingly pay a dime.
I agree with scoed, to me there is mechanical sex versus GFE. I have had mechanical sex with a provider who provided all the acronyms mentioned above and yet I would not call it a GFE session. While I have also had a GFE session with a lady who had her safety and rules in place that would cause some of others to say no, yet the overall session was great. After my first ever GFE session I knew what I was missing and it is not any specific act or lack of.
Posted By: scoed
I really don't like kissing the women I pay. It form too much of a connection for me; even though I have permission to play, it feels like I am cheating. I don't DATO ether and I don't want to DATY if she is not into it. I don't mind a good CBJ, so thats not that important ether. None of that reduces what I will pay, so I will still pay my max of $400 per lady per hour even with the limited menu.
Now here is the deal breakers in your scenario, no affection and mechanical sex. I want the lady to pretend we are friends that fuck Not a girlfriend but good friends and that means there has to be some affection. Then you got the mechanical sex. Mechanical sex is not fun. Not fun for ether party. If that is what I am getting I would just watch porn and beat my meat and save my cash. So if those two things are true I will not knowingly pay a dime.
Without knowing what geographic market you're in, this question is impossible to answer. In New York and Chicago, for instance, prices are higher than most other parts of the country. So, what price does a typical non-GFE service go for in those markets? A lot more than, say, in Cincinnati.
As others have mentioned, there's a big difference between "mechanical sex" and non-GFE sex. I've certainly been with providers who were extremely spontaneous and sensual, but practiced "safe sex." It has a lot more to do with the quality of the provider than with their list of services.
And there's the rub. If a provider can turn you on without engaging in specific sexual activities that you might enjoy with another provider, is she worth less? If you walk out of the session having had a great time, does it matter? That's why this equation is difficult to quantify. It's not like there's a menu of potential services with a price attached to each item (unless you're in some downscale massage parlor getting hustled).
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