Who is probably much more of an old friend to me than I am to her. I don't have that many experiences, all when I travel, and sometimes a year or more can come between encounters. I meet somebody whose consideration for an hour is $250 or $300. A year later, I look, and it's $500. Is it rude to ask to pay less? So maybe not the old fee, but something in between?

It is always rude to try to negotiate fees. You might be lucky if she's one of the providers who grandfathers the rates of old clients, but otherwise, it's quite offensive.

I guess it all depends if she still remembers you and if you had rapport with her before. If she insists on the $500 I would pass. I once or twice was under the illusion that if it cost more it should be much better. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case with some of the providers I have seen. Not saying that I got bad service, but it wasn't any better than a girl I saw who charged $250. It's all about how well you click with the girl. I had a great connection with a provider once who charged me for her 30 min Incall rate, but our sessions routinely lasted 90 min.

Pretty sure a lot of dudes in here would disagree but IMO it's still a business no matter how some people fantasize romantically about it.  

There a old saying It does't to ask so first you have to ask.  
If she has any interagy service should be about the same.  
1. Did she seem happy just to service? if yes mover on to sept 2 if no move on
2. Ask. If she says yes. move on to sept 3. if no move on
3. meet up and have a good time in bed. go to sept one.
 

Hey heXXX,

and just let her know you'll be in town and want to have an appointment. Remind her you met a year ago, etc... (since they all destroy contact info).  

....that's a pretty big jump in donation and as you said you have gone long stretches without seeing her.  It doesn't hurt to bring up your concern, but you may risk losing a provider you have enjoyed a good relationship with in the past.

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If she asks why you won't see her, just tell her your out of her price range. I have seen providers raise their prices and bring back down the reasonable levels and apologize for raising the rates. One went from $300 to $350 hour. The other went from $200 to $300 and hour. They both went back to their original prices. One told me she will never do that again.

Personally, I make it a rule to never even attempt to negotiate with a provider.  I do this for several reasons:

If it were me, I might respond crudely. Ok, I have many times responded crudely lol.

Never assume. Always ask. The worst you hear us no. Then move on.

is currently posted. If she is inclined to "grandfather" you in, she will offer some of it back.  I actually had this happen in a similar situation.  Her proposition was that if I became a regular again, she would keep me at last year's rate.  I stayed on for several months.  If she hadn't offered, it probably would have been a one-shot deal.  It has to be completely her idea with no prompting from you.  Otherwise it is offensive, IMO.

To seek a discount when you haven't seen the lady in a year is an ill advised jester IMHO. What could possibly make you so special she would discount you under those circumstances? You certainly don't qualify as a "regular". Lame attempt to save a few bucks is no way to make a lady inclined to see you again. I know others who have tried this and come off looking like penny pinching amateurs. And, while you have not done this here, please don't ever make yourself look immature and petty by dissing her on a public board after she declines to discount you, as has been  done in the past.  

I understand both sides of this but for me there is a problem with not asking.  

you also could see if she does hh specals. It not like a package a store. just think in febuary gas was a 1.5 not it is 2.3 try to get a deal on gas also.

My little rant last night here is partly fantasy, part balancing act.

can make one dry and unenthusiastic. There is a local lady I admire tremendously, who said to me, "I don't grandfather, because I am not as enthusiastic with them anymore when I do." The girl has a standard beyond P4P - it's a personal character issue. She knows what she can be, and wants to be, and won't settle for an environment where she won't thrive. That makes for one hell of a provider.

The reasons are different with each girl.

Oh, well, since he's knee deep in admissions for the coming semester at JDU I'll take the unpopular position:
there is nothing wrong with respectfully reaching out to her, reminding her who you are and wondering if you could see her at her old rate, a/k/a grandfathering.  It happens.  If she actually enjoyed being with you and has a hole in her schedule, she might just comply.  Or she might offer a more slightly reduced rate.  Or she might just ignore you.  So what?

I find it complete and utter Bullshit, but I don't need to agree with it, or any other woman's reason for her pricing, her discounts, her grandfathering of other clients, or her lack thereof.

Juicy, Sweet, Overflowing with Honey,
       AND
"She actually enjoyed being with you"

You aren't very spiritual, are you lol.

One that I saw went from $300 to $400. She would put up a math formula / riddle to figure out her discount rate. She is retired now, it was always fun to do the computations.  Many times the discount rate wouldbe be at $200 an hour.

business decisions on things like spiritual energy, Karma, etc.?  That sounds rather capricious, and not very delishious.  While I agree it is a sound policy to give all customers the same high level of service, as with any business, when it comes to pricing, there is room to show some accommodation to high-volume customers.  If I'm booking three or four hours a week with a regular, they will often quickly realize the potential for the long term and offer some kind of discount.  Personally, I prefer OTC time for dinner, drinks, etc., once or twice a month, rather than a discount, and most are more than pleased with that choice.

I get the desire to pay less, and perhaps in some way maintain the past, but at the same time prices go up sometimes. The restaurant that I like is popular - they've raised their prices - but I'm not going to ask the manager for a discount "for old times sake." Those shoes I like have gone up in price... I may shop around seeing if I can find a better price, but I'm not going to ask the same vendor for the price I paid last year.  

People who are regularly booking should get those perks if she is offering them. Not guys who book once a year at an old rate.  

I don't believe in this whole self serving bullshit that to make an "offer" to a hooker is insulting and degrading, but I do believe some guys are more "deserving" for lack of a better word of preferential treatment than others.

Providers figure things out very quickly.  As soon as looses a sugar daddy her rates will drop or a discount will be offered.

But that's what I was trying to say. Lol.  

We almost always end up agreeing at the end, and what fun is that?  

and quite frankly I fall on your side of the discussion.

Idk nothing like banging someone for some negotiation strategy lessons. I sense a role play scenario. Lol

1. your negotiation tactics must make me an extra 50 grand a year with less turnaround
2. Outcall lol
3. I get to be the boss hiring out for this in the fantasy. I'm not a submissive. But I'm hiring you to bring in your expertise. (Submissive role on my part won't happen for at least ten encounters)

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Please tell me you are not going to speak to how all other sex workers would feel about negotiated fees. If you merely look down this thread, you will see a lady who disagrees with you so that puts a hole in your boat. Personally, I dont negotiate but I see no reason why 2 consenting adults can't travel down that path if both choose. And "offensive" too? Maybe to you but I am certain many escorts feel other wise. They have their reasons for accepting lower gifts than they present on their website and who are you to tell them they are engaging in "rude" or "offensive" behavior?

agreed.  something similar recently happened to me.  

wtf does that even mean lol 😄

I hadn't looked at it from the "consenting adults" angle. I still wouldn't haggle a ladies rates as that would make me uncomfortable, but I think I agree with you that it is none of our business what others do, in the bedroom or what anyone pays. You gave me a different perspective.  

If she doesn't "toe the line" and agree that negotiating is not just in bad taste, but offensive and degrading, she will get thrown out of her local hooker's union.

...+1 ILVBT  is correct, in the hobby we depend on the providers state of mind & feelings toward us as customers to give us the session we want, if a provider feels demeaned by the need to negotiate the price for her services she may not be up to providing the best session after all the providers are only human. Prioritize the value of a good session over the cost or find a lower cost provider.

and if your income hasn't increased by fifty grand a year at the end of a year, I will give you a fifty percent rebate on your tuition.

Dear Ms.Ova,
Although you might be hesitant to those who might want to approach a cutie for some bargain basement booty, what would qualify in terms of number of visits for those who would like to be grandfathered in?  Also would you make certain modifications in service for those preferred customers if they did pay the revised rate? Also do you make these types of offers on a case be case basis as well?

Does ANYONE ever answer any of your insipid and annoying questions you pose here on such a frequent basis?

I can't say I'd grant the discount in this case, but if you asked politely, I wouldn't be offended or flip out.  

Negotiating or haggling with me shows that you do not respect and value my time, my body and the effort I put into sexwork.  

Whatever works for each escort I suppose, but most consultants that charge by the hour agree that tailoring your rates a bit to fit an old  clients needs based on geography, grandfathering, type of session etc is totally necessary.  
  It is completed unrelated and really not a full paying clients interest, as to what you do with older clients, or clients in other cities etc. I dont go into a massage parlor, and feel that it is unfair that some of their clients came in with a 40 dollar groupon for the same massage. I dont stomp my feet when I pay full price for a room at the Hilton, when the customer before me bought the hotel off Priceline. Totally fair, they call that business.

So I don't see why you would here. And if a first time client asks this of me, I will not see him.

for goods and services much unlike in the United States.  

Did you even bother to read the content of this persons post? smh

Do you honestly believe the US is the ONLY first world country in the world?

I charge rates comparable to the highest end hookers and I negotiate my rates all the time.

If any one pays full price I want to too.

I get I free many times from my therapist but no kick backs yeat.

Blacklists are a legitimate way to warn other sex workers about tricks who rob, assault or stalk girls.  They are NOT the correct forum to smear guys who negotiate.  Your asinine approach is just one more reason why black list sites have lost their usefulness.
Good thing you're posting under an alias because you'd lose a HUGE amount of business with your attitude. Perhaps you are in the wrong business.
PS: Just fyi, I do NOT negotiate rates in the US.

and while I will defend the right of guys to negotiate with any one they choose, including hookers. I have to confess it's NOT something I will do myself.  

A year and a half ago, I wasn't dropping the money I just dropped on a photo shoot, and most definitely didn't spend $300+ per date on hotel, booze and cheese. I was paying $40 to $74 a night and showing up very simply - in a completely different body and style.

You are poor white trash reaching for the stars.  

And that is part of learning to discern an honest request that is mutually beneficial, vs someone trying to get one over. I'm talking on both sides here. I don't brow beat my guys because I want them to have a good time. The communication opens up over time after trust is earned on both sides. But that trust, but verify is key.  

Every single business savvy business provider maintains one

I wouldn't say trailer trash per se, but I have been through the ringer of near poverty. Who says you can't be proud of getting the hell out of that life. No matter what strategy I used to get out of it.

You not only brag about yourself, you brag about how you demand your clients treat you, and your very handle you "run the table" shows how you revel in making your clients do as you will them to.

You're still poor white trash.  

By the way, trailer trash can clean up pretty well
 

However, no need to be concerned, my life is not your responsibility.

I can't speak for other providers, but I for one, enjoy and truly care for my gentlemen friends that honor me with their patronage, so if a former friend were to ask me, and I really enjoyed my time with him in the past, I will most likely be happy to accomodate him.  I do this all the time.  I raised my rates as I have become popular and can demand the rates I ask, but I miss some of those friends that saw me from my previous rates and if they were to inquire, I would be happy to accept them.  For me it's all about connection and having a great time, and if we did in the past, I'm sure we will again.
Kisses,  
Frederica

It means "Do Not See."  You are, of course, free to do that.  But calling it a "black list" just contributes to the confusion on this issue.

It would appear that magic has occurred as several ladies in this very thread are now "unicorns" per your use of the the term. Is it possible they enjoy their lives, are grateful for the consideration of a gentleman and think its fun to deal with the offers?  At the very least, they seem much more suited for this business than yourself as you seem burnt out, jaded and a bit hostile.

that posting with "absolutes" is rarely taken seriously  LOL

I guess you're one of the guys that believes that MSRP is the "only" way to go.

You've whined and whined on these boards over the years about your pathetic lot in life.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to throw classist slurs at another provider. Maybe a bit of Tall Poppy Syndrome or perhaps you've read a little too much Harriet Beecher Stowe, but it doesn't really matter because you've actually just handed Courtney the chance to showcase her class and grace with her responses.

who also tends to look down his intellectual nose at the rest of us, found it necessary to use a word like "irregardless" Does anyone with a formal education higher than a GED ever find it appropriate to use such a so called word?

our view is One Side.  You are missing out, by limiting yourself to slaves.  

Some will discount, others won't  

It has only achieved "word" status from continuing to be used.  Conan believes you meant to say "irrespective."

Either would have been proper and would have not have proven that he is not only NOT part of the intellectual elite, but most likely is more on par with fg or fg where it comes to his educational backround.

Although it only qualifies, apparently, because so many ignoramuses have been misusing it for so long.

Just love to brag about yourself. You seem sweet and genuine. Sorry to see hate thrown at you.

...

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don't have the balls to let women know what ter handle belongs to thtat attitude!

court is a (self-made) class act

The post was meant to speak from a financial perspective, as opposed to saying "Anything you can do, I can do better".  

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Not to mention brush up on your reading comprehension.

If you have not seen her just communicate with her that you want to confirm her consideration or donation.

But why is that surprising to anyone?

But what you are spewing certainly is trashy, mean, and pathetic! Stating how you run your biz is one thing, lashing out at her like you have is another matter! Crawl back in your hole.  

Of course she would like you to offer her posted donation.   However, depending on the circumstances previously plus her personal policies related to old clients, she may be perfectly fine with honoring your original rate OR make it less than current ones.  I do understand that some ladies may be offended- if she is your dear old friend I would think you know to predict her response.  I do grandfather to a degree...but do remember that all businesses increase rates from time to time with inflation etc.   Doctors who improve at their profession and are more sought after increase their charges and even drop accepting insurance standardly.  Actors/actresses get more for movies as their popularity offers the pull of movie viewers to the cinemas.

I agree with Courtney. When I raised my rates I reached out to the few that were my regulars and told them they would stay at old rates. Then a guy I had not seen in a long time asked to see me again and he asked me if he could be grandfathered in. I declined. I think grandfathering is for those who see is consistently. If I gave every previous client the old rates, what would be the point of raising rates?

How do you know 2 guys haven't stepped in to take your place at her new rates? If that happened, how is SHE losing out? I raised my rates and I still get just as many new clients, I'm not losing out.  

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

"IMHO?"  When was your opinion ever "Humble?  LMAO!

using your sure-fire formula for making money on penny stocks? LMAO!

Doubtful...he still can't talk a lady down to his affordable rate of $40-$50 per hour. But then again if you read his reviews I'd refuse to see him based on the scores he gives.