Providers... why is it so hard for some women to believe there are providers who enjoy what they do for a living?
Thoughts?

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Instead of worrying about what one woman thinks of another I just try to stick with the ones who show me a good time and seem comfortable with themselves and what they do for a living.

I will say that I've seen a lot of customers fall flat when they lose sight of the fact that enjoying the work does not mean that they will do it for free.  The key to how much your P4P date enjoys her time with you is directly connected to the amount of respect that you show for her and her time.

I don't think it is a stretch to believe that providers can 'enjoy what they do,' but being naive enough to assume that a high volume provider or one who can't afford to be selective will enjoy it with EVERY guy who walks through her door...that is the issue. Boasting about how much you love sex, does not equate to loving it with men you would not even talk to for free much less fk in some cases.

You can screen until your heart is content but unless you ask for a full body photo, there is no way of telling if you are going to be sexually attracted to someone. Now, personality and attitude go a long way mind you and I have had plenty of clients that made up for imperfections through that route, BUT unless you are just seriously hard up, insecure, can only get complimented by guys who are not able to get hotter chicks, or will fk anything, I don't buy that a woman can absolutely get wet over every guy she sees. That much, I call bs on.

There is NO JOB in this world that someone loves doing every second of every day, and this one is no different. Women saying they love sex is a far cry from saying they like it with just anyone who happens to have their donation. I think that is where the confusion might stem from.

FYI, talk about a blast from the past lol. You banged a few of my gal pals since then too, you Tiger!

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Hi BG,

I'm an old, fat, ugly as sin guy!! One thing I have going for me is that I'm respectful to all women in this profession!! That is why I've had a couple of ATF's over the years! Great post & is it Thanksgiving, yet??  My current ATF is due in town @ that time!!  

Hi London,

That's the way I roll!!

Posted By: London Rayne

I don't think it is a stretch to believe that providers can 'enjoy what they do,' but being naive enough to assume that a high volume provider or one who can't afford to be selective will enjoy it with EVERY guy who walks through her door...that is the issue. Boasting about how much you love sex, does not equate to loving it with men you would not even talk to for free much less fk in some cases.

You can screen until your heart is content but unless you ask for a full body photo, there is no way of telling if you are going to be sexually attracted to someone. Now, personality and attitude go a long way mind you and I have had plenty of clients that made up for imperfections through that route, BUT unless you are just seriously hard up, insecure, can only get complimented by guys who are not able to get hotter chicks, or will fk anything, I don't buy that a woman can absolutely get wet over every guy she sees. That much, I call bs on.

There is NO JOB in this world that someone loves doing every second of every day, and this one is no different. Women saying they love sex is a far cry from saying they like it with just anyone who happens to have their donation. I think that is where the confusion might stem from.

FYI, talk about a blast from the past lol. You banged a few of my gal pals since then too, you Tiger!

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... love their job.

For example, my daughter who works for an county agency that deals with mentally challenged adults and she loves her job... everyday. Why? She sees the small miracles that these mentally challenged adults make everyday... things that we take for granted.

My other daughter works as a personal banker who just got promoted to branch manager. Why? Because she loved her job and it showed to the people that promoted her.

There are jobs that people do love, a lot of that has to do with their mental approach to their jobs.

Serpius

...don't respect womens' individual choices.  they probably wouldn't enjoy sex work themselves, so they convince themselves that there's no possible way for a woman to be empowered or truly fulfilled by sex work.  we're all being "exploited" whether or not we know it, apparently.  boy, it must suck to be so narrow-minded and judgy!

at least as far as the concept of fucking strangers for money.

When you say 'women', I'll assume you mean women who are not providers themselves?

It's not that difficult to empathize with that point of view. When you think about the stigma, the secrecy, the isolation, the huge potential for destruction of personal relationships with friends and family, loss of child custody if discovered. The risks associated with obtaining 'mainstream' employment in the future if her online presence surfaces in a background check. The potential risks of physical harm, assault---worse. Not to mention the day to day of dealing with (some) men who want to treat her like an inanimate fuck-doll.

Even women who genuinely enjoy what they do give some thought to these risks and downsides. For women who could never visualize themselves being a provider---seems reasonable it might be hard for them to see or understand the positives.  

You quoted London's text, yet you still don't get it! Where did she say that people don't love their jobs? Did you miss the "every second if every day" part? I guaranfuckingtee you that your daughters do not love their jobs every second of every day either. The one that works with mentally challenged adults (and by the way, you should get some help from her) enjoys the small muracles, and enjoys helping people, but I bet she gets frustrated with dealing with the county bureaucracy. The banker also has to have things that happen at the job that frustrate and anger her.

I love my job. Otherwise, I would be doing something else. I don't love my job every second of every day!

Next time read and understand a post before you reply.

that phrase..."enjoy what they do" can take a few turns, for example enjoy the money from what they do, enjoy the conversational aspects of what they do and enjoy the physical portion of what they do. Or all three, however I also call bullshit "with every single man that pays her".

As far as my main career , I certainly love it but I don't love every client I have to deal with. If this morning was any example, I'd rather have a dose of diarrhea than deal with that client again for a few days.

I think when ladies say that they love sex and love every man they see, they might be afraid of putting off some of their paying customers. It's as if she is afraid that they might all be thinking they might be the one she finds icky to deal with. And no-one really wants to be "that" guy.

Be it one employee she has to deal with, the hours, the pay, or even the traffic getting there...NO ONE is 100 percent happy with their conditions all the time. You know what they tell you and nothing more, so it is moot to even try to suggest you can know what they have to deal with on a daily basis, much less every minute. I love singing too, but if I were in a band on the road touring 9 months a year, bet I would not like it anymore. Same with painting, working out, tanning, or just laying on the beach...there are aspects of everything we do in life that we don't always find great.

... part 'every second'.  

You are completely wrong to assume that both of my daughters get frustrated with their jobs. You don't even know them personally, therefore, you are making assumptions based on your own frustrations of your job. Don't take it out on me or others in the forums.

Your suggestion of me getting help from my daughter is asinine. Just like my father told me once: "It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements." That fits you to a 'T'.

Serpius

Not only do I support sex workers and cringe at the overriding societal judgment, I actually hire them.

At the same time, I could never be a sex worker myself. I would never put up with the crap providers do. Not in a million years. I often wonder myself why any woman would. But that doesn't make me narrow minded and judgy. Maybe a pragmatist who recognizes her own limits. I can see there are upsides. But it 'ain't all sunshine and lollipops either.

Many people, men included, have very negative attitudes towards 'prostitution'.

... you have never met either one of my daughters. Their dedication to their jobs is second to none. Their personalities and attitudes is what makes them love their jobs. Nothing complex about it.

You can think all you want... there are people in this world that love their jobs... every second. If you don't believe it... that's your problem.

Serpius

of them quits to do something else, you will be looking like a dumb ass. I am not saying that it is impossible to love your job...again, you read what you want and skip the rest. I said it is impossible to love every single thing about your job, every second of every day and only a moron would say otherwise! So, are you saying your own blood does not experience feelings of pain, sadness, anger, or discontentment? So, having to go to work in a busy office vs. working from home if they get the shits one day is fun for them? How about a fever? How about some kid throwing up on them in they are a nurse or having to clean shit up literally? Get me some of those drugs please..thanks.

YOU assuming your daughters or ANYONE can be totally happy and content all the time, is what is fkin asinine because you can't know what is in their mind doofus. Do you know when they think about sex too? How many times they drink a week? How do you know that..because they tell you and we never lie to our parents lol. I bet my daddy does not think I am a hooker either, but damn...here I am.


FTR, YOU brought up your damn kids on a fk board, no one else so don't go crying to admin when we call you off as usual!





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loves what she does.   She's told me that many times, and says she loves sex.  I won't mention her name, but suffice it to say, she's a very successful provider.

Swim

I'm just fking with you since you are on the GD now and I can't on the newbie board lol, but I am sure you get the point. There are just as many high end and successful providers who don't love what they do, but their clients would never have a clue because they are THAT good at pretending.

I know 3 women in the Top 100, who are straight up LESBIAN...not bi, not curious, but all about the kitty. All 3 charge over 700 per date and have nothing but 9s and 10s. Don't bother asking...not telling, but just proves my point. They also look better than most of the straight providers lol.

If a lesbian can lie to a guy and make him think she loves what she does when she can't stand the d*ck, how much easier for a straight woman would that be to also pull off lol. Not me of course...I can't bs to save my life.


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i've said this before on other posts...no feminist i know looks down on sex workers.  to the contrary, most feminists would like to see sex work made legal and safer.

Why with each rolling year are scores of public proclamations of "retirement" posted to these boards?
Why are women so commonly ungrateful for the incredible "gift" nature has given them?
As if $5,000 per week, no peeing in anyone’s cup, flexible hours, copious adoration, working from home and doing so from your bed is a demeaning, debasing, disgusting lot in life.

Answer: Homo sapiens are sheep, lemmings! We love to join shit and be accepted by a brotherhood or sisterhood of mindless minions. We'll vote against our own interests and concerns so as to be accepted by a group or party. We flock to religions that preach shame, self loathing and intolerance.  Those who are independent thinkers or iconoclasts by nature, who question or dare defy the "status quo”, are historically demonized and marginalized.

 IMO: If a woman tries being a "provider", and in a few months or a year takes down her shingle because "It's not for her" I say ‘No harm, no foul’.
Serial retirees however are simply pusillanimous, and the biggest overall losers when their 'allure' hits the wall.

is that for some people, being in sexual situations in which the person feels in control of what is happening to them can be a way of dealing with the feelings that come from memories of the person's past in which they did not feel in control of what was happening to them.  This can happen with men as well as women, and with nonsex workers as well as sex workers.

It becomes problematic when it validates, in the person's mind, unrealistically negative beliefs that the person may have about themselves or others.

are referring to civilian women who can't believe that. I think there is also a huge element of what Butterflydust said, too- at least in terms of the fact that the anti-sex "feminists" get the most "air time." Because their opinions are front and center in most mainstream media, and most average civilian women could not in a million years identify with someone who has sex with strangers (let alone for money), it is easy to see that they would jump to the logical conclusion: the women who do this are either forced against their will, dependent on drugs, or are somehow deviant or depraved. In any of those cases, they need help and should be saved from their subjugators, their addictions, or themselves.

There are feminists who are very active in abolishing sex trafficking. And I suspect their intentions are good. And, damned hard to argue with fighting women/children pulled into prostitution by opportunistic pimps.

At the same time they seem to have a limited ability to distinguish between consensual and non-consensual.

But not everyone can fit in the same bucket. Not all republicans subscribe  to the idea that even though a woman who has been raped should be compelled to carry a pregnancy to term because,  the fact that she got pregnant in the first place, was "gods will".

I hear this absurd nonsense and I don't condemn all republicans.

Political/social beliefs are never simple. But feminists are not THE problem when it comes to consensual sex for pay. As you say, most do support sex work.

I can see how the civie woman could never buy this because duh...some women here don't even buy it! There are a very small few who can love fkin any man they come in contact with, and they are VERY easy to spot, and usually need business. Many are here looking for the love or at least attention they never got in real life from men, and this gives them a feeling of worth and power.

A very good friend of mine whom I exchange messages with has the prime example, but I will not get into that here. Not my place, but women who hate what they do and still do it for the money, are not worse off than those who are damaged and do it for power and ego boost.  Both are equally as fked up, but the money girl has an exit strategy I would imagine.

Honestly, I don't see how getting men 20-40 years older (many who admit they can't get a hot chick for free) to tell you how hot and good you are in bed, is an ego boost, but I have heard this from many people. I think some women actually buy what every guy says about them in reviews. If you are only seeing the ugliest of the ugly, wtf is he gong to say lol. For some, that is exactly what they bank on to get attention and high scores though so hell...it takes all kinds. Everyone has an agenda of some sort for being here.

Nobody loves ANYTHING every minute. There was this girl in college I gave her first "O." She was insatiable after that - knocking on my door morning and night - and wouldn't leave me alone. As much as I enjoyed sex with her, after a while I started parking my car around the block so she wouldn't think I was home.

is making an assumption that the motivating factor behind a woman engaging in sex work is that is that she has a need to 'control' feelings that come from her past, in which she did not feel in control of what was happening then?

Not to say this never happens. But, isn't this one of the pervasive 'assumptions' about sex workers? They had some kind of negative experience in the past? And, had that never happened they never would have chosen this line of work?

... that you don't love your job.

Not my fault you have chosen this kind of career. You made that choice, no one else.

If your provider job is not giving you the satisfaction and happiness that you need everyday... no one can help you.

I am not assuming that my daughters love their jobs. They tell me that in person. Both of them visit me at least thrice a week. BTW, my daughters are NOT 'damn kids', but very well rounded mature adults.

In spite of my apology to you last month, I knew that you didn't take my apology seriously. You have been waiting for the moment to attempt to out me. Now... please, go cry to TER admin.

At least I can say that I was mature to be the strong person to apologize to you, whom I have never met in person. Can't say that for many men on TER.

Serpius

The example I mentioned about the guy's friend is a perfect example. She claims this work helps her to deal with men having power over here before, by taking that back here. I don't get it, but I have seen it so many times it is not exactly a non issue. From your POV, that situation does not line up with sex and empowerment, but for many women it does just that.

You really need to share those drugs with the rest of the members here.

As a professional that is dealing with many different types of people and have been for over 30 years...I have yet to meet anyone that can truly say they love whatever job their doing 24/7/365.

But as perfectstorm pointed out...your kid(s) are 2 in 6 billion +

Spoken as a try patriarch  LOL

You simply can't leave well enough alone.

I am a straight-up egalitarian in that regard

I do get the idea that sex work can be empowering----in all kinds of ways. Just strikes me as a bit off base to suggest that a woman would choose sex work because she was reacting to some negative past experience.

One thing that implies is that the primary reason she chose sex work is because she was sexually abused in the past. Not that this has never happened....but...

... know what you are talking about.

Serpius

when you call me a "feminazi"...why?

I didn't call you a douchebag.

Try this: http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIRST-Decriminalize-Sex-Work-Now/186804681196

Or this: http://www.swaay.org/groups.html

or....you could always do some research on your own.

I don't love every minute of this job nor any other I have ever had...NO ONE DOES! Are you seriously THIS deluded to think that what people tell you is the truth 100 percent? WOW, no wonder you are here lol. Don't sit here and tell me that every human being including your daughters love having to get out of bed 5 days a week if not more, to get to work on time and that some days they would not like to stay home! Are you saying they would work 24/7 including the weekends too since they have NO qualms about the work? I bet lol. Guys here, some who have admitted to being sex addicts, still don't like sex 24.7 and that is NOT a job to them!

The only thing I hate about this job is men like YOU...dangerous, nut jobs who spout off bs and then forget what they said a day later when we find the original post. Other than that, not many complaints. Here's a clue...my dad assumes my only job is at Tulane hospital as of last week. You also ASSume you know everything about your kids lol. FYI, obviously I spend very LITTLE time working as a hooker, so paleeze get some new material. I don't like every damn thing about working in healthcare either, but human beings tend to be that way. I don't like the guy over me, don't like the 45 min. drive in New Orleans traffic, the petty paycheck, etc. but the job itself yes, I do happen to like. You are confusing shit we are saying once again, and then getting all in an uproar as always.

Don't tell me that they love going to work for 8 hours running a damn fever or some other , illness..you are all out crazy to think anyone 'enjoys' that. You cannot seem to comprehend words right in front of you, but instead want to turn things around. NO ONE said your daughters DID NOT LOVE THEIR FREAKING JOB....what we said was you are clueless to assume they love EVERY PART OF WHAT GOES WITH IT! Maybe the big letters will help since you can't seem to read normal font!

Your apology to me has nothing to do with the dumb shit you say on here every day, and guess what...this is the first time in a month that I called you on it. Look around...everyone else has done it for me.




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that come with ANY job without being paid?

you know, the one wherein i specifically described *false* feminists who are actually bigoted authoritarians in feminists' clothing.  i don't really think i could have made myself any clearer?

but it doesn't matter, i guess.  i think feminism is lame anyway.  i will always support human rights in all forms, i don't have any special subset of the human population i value more than any other.

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You call feminists "feminazis". I identify myself as a feminist. Ergo you have called me a "feminazi".

But, no matter. I didn't actually make the statement you take exception to---I did agree with the poster who made it. But, I don't see you giving him shit. What? It's ok for someone with a penis to say feminists support sex work. But, if I say it I'm full of shit?

And, I did not post links to whacked-out groups. Unless it's your opinion that every one of those sex worker advocates and support organizations across the entire globe are "whacked-out".

But feminists who advocate against prostitution are not *false* feminists. They are feminists.

But not all feminists hold the same views. In the same way not all Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, or any diverse group of people hold the exact same views. All groups share some core beliefs.

But, there are devout Catholics that openly advocate for birth control. Republicans that are pro-choice and support gay marriage. Democrats that oppose abortion and vote against environmental issues. Muslims that embrace Christians and western culture, Jews that eat bacon....Feminists that support sex workers.

And, just because someone (man or woman) holds feminist political views does not mean they selectively care about only a subset of the human population. That's ridiculous.

... you go to through this LONG diatribe about how much you hate your jobs. Sorry, that you do.

At least both of my daughters don't have to live a lie about a "job" such as being a provider. Living a lie is not good for one's soul.

I am sure that you will spout off another diatribe about this.

Have a great day.

Serpius

I hated every job I have been in...that is NOT what I said doofus. I said I hated "certain aspects" of every job, like most any rational, warm blooded human being tends to do. I am sorry, that you can't see the forest for the trees here, but expecting you to look at anything a certain way is about as ludicrous as expecting a box of rocks to give me a straight answer.

I am very happy your daughters do not have to live a lie like many of us do here, but careful how you step. YOU are also living a lie unless of course you tell you daughters about the countless hours you spend on TER, and how many hookers you've paid to fk your ass. That right there should open your eyes to the FACT that we can't know any human being as much as we like to think. I bet they would never assume in a million years that daddy was out paying hookers would they? Well, there ya go. You can't also assume you know every single thought they might have throughout the day. Saying so, is CRAZY!

A ton of women here also work 9-5 in professional careers and escort on the side, so you might just want to consider that. Fact is, with all of your issues (the clinically diagnosed issues), I would not go patting myself on the back just yet about anything.



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... my hobby from my daughters. Both know that I do it. Next?

Suddenly, you are a psychiatrist? Clinically diagnosed issues?? Hmm??

I am sorry, you are always right and everyone else in the forums are wrong. I forgot how big your ego is.

Serpius

Posted By: London Rayne

Re: Are you blind or just totally stupid? Please show me where I said I hated every job I have been in...that is NOT what I said doofus. I said I hated "certain aspects" of every job, like most any rational, warm blooded human being tends to do. I am sorry, that you can't see the forest for the trees here, but expecting you to look at anything a certain way is about as ludicrous as expecting a box of rocks to give me a straight answer. I am very happy your daughters do not have to live a lie like many of us do here, but careful how you step. YOU are also living a lie unless of course you tell you daughters about the countless hours you spend on TER, and how many hookers you've paid to fk your ass.

A ton of women here also work 9-5 in professional careers and escort on the side, so you might just want to consider that. Fact is, with all of your issues (the clinically diagnosed issues), I would not go patting myself on the back just yet about anything.

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That says it all. You're also full of shit about your daughters knowing, and you have said that before as well. Again, another bs lie on your part. You seriously should get some help...the kind that does not involve a happy ending. Unlike others in this thread I did not comment on your relationships or how often you might see your daughters, because I don't know. I only and calmly at first tried to illustrate that no one enjoys every aspect of their job, to which you flew off the handle about. We knew it was only a matter of time though, and you play right into what people here have come to expect of you...which is not much.

You have said on more than one occasion how you protect yourself by using computer tricks to cover your tracks so no one can see them, yet you don't hide? Bullshit. Your lies are never ending, but I digress. You can't even remember what you said yesterday without someone having to pull up the post to remind you. I think it is time for some assisted living, because you are losing it big time.

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... those 2 former TER members whose handles begin with the letter 'C'.

Outing people is a big NO-NO in the hobby/provider land. You don't want to go there. Believe me, you'll end up like those 2 names that begins with 'C'.

Serpius

you do in your own damn threads! NOW, you say they do know. Damn, you ARE RETARDED! No one outed you unless of course you STALKED THEM or made threats to have them busted...if the shoe fits....Here is a clue you maladjusted wack job, when YOU post a thread on a public board and then we throw it in your face to make you look stupid and bust you on your lies, THAT IS NOT OUTING lol. YOU posted the stuff to begin with. You can't really be THIS dumb can you? Just damn.

I don't need any help making you look stupid...every guy in this thread knows what you are about. You even have reports against you stalking GUYS from here!! Geezus, get on Lithium you nut job!

FYI, the banned posters you speak of were banned for things that had NOTHING to do with you old man...talk about inflated sense of any kind of worth. You give yourself way too much damn credit. GET A LIFE before you hurt yourself or someone else. You are seriously mentally DISTURBED!


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I'm not talking about you argument. I won't get involved with that. You are wrong in saying aggiefan called you out instead of the poster that made the comment. (as per your quote below) Follow the thread! Aggie's reply WAS to gilxner, not to you. You chose to reply to aggie, then he replied back.

Just curious  LOL

You really are one of the most naive members here!!

Ole Serpie wants to feel like he had anything to do with CCPA being banned.  And of course he didn't.  And from what I hear TER had no reasons to ban all of the guys/gals they have over the past couple of months either.

I guess they needed to try and clear a path for psycho's like Serpie to post away.

Didn't work  LOL

keep arguing with someone who has the brain function of a brick wall, and the sense of humor of a damn carrot stick.

I'm done with him as well...for the moment

He's a hoot  

And that damn carrot stick...maybe BIB and I need to find that wazcally wabbit  

That's why I gave up yesterday already...for this thread. I'm sure he'll suck me into another thread later.

By the way, I was wondering if anyone else saw his post on the ISO board. He was looking for a deaf provider. I think he actually meant blind, (so she couldn't read all his bullshit posts on his name on blacklist the sites.)

YOU just keep on turning up  LOL

He's a hoot...and really has me wondering is he really that pathetically naive?

I'm actually starting to believe that he can convince himself that the Earth is really flat.  And then try and sell that to NASA.

And then bitch and complain that they don't understand.

No alias here  LOL

Posted By: perfectstorm

That's why I gave up yesterday already...for this thread. I'm sure he'll suck me into another thread later.

By the way, I was wondering if anyone else saw his post on the ISO board. He was looking for a deaf provider. I think he actually meant blind, (so she couldn't read all his bullshit posts on his name on blacklist the sites.)

Let me just say its a shame that people can't engage in the discussion without respect for others opinions!