I was resting in peace, quite nicely, I might add, when I was assaulted by all these bullshit posts re BBFS and BBBJ "health issues".

Let us cut to the chase here. Two things are important. First, your basic average escort is checked out much more frequently by the docs than your basic average S.O. (and I would also submit here if you S.O. was less basic or less average, perhaps you would not need to use providers as frequently). In short, they are more likely to be healthier and microbe-free than the average female. Yet you insist on comparing them, belittling them, as if they ply their trade on Figueroa or PCH in Long Beach.

Providers know better. If they won't BBBJ you, it likely has nothing to do with health issues. If you look really bad down there, the session will likely come to a close pretty quickly, anyway. In most cases, it's about them and something in their personal lives. From a psychological standpoint, sucking on latex is totally different than sucking on a strange man's penis. Of course, once the psychological barriers are lifted in the relationship, so will in most cases be the latex ones. The girls know you're clean-trust me on this. It's part of that little game you have to play with them, even though you're paying them to fuck you, you can't think of them solely as a gratuitous sex object (or for that matter a $400/hr and up one).

As for BBFS, I keep reading these horror stories from guys where the condom accidentally broke, etc. and they might have come down with HIV, Chlymadia, HSV II, or for that matter, Ebola or West Nile Virus. The real issue here is not them having a strange microbe, but the risk of actually passing it to their wife, which would not only be embarrassing but likely expensive as well. For once, please, some intellectual honesty on this topic. If the condom breaks, and you need some love, well, that's different. But 999 times out of 1000, even at the skankiest MP (OK, maybe 99 out of 100 there), it ain't going to be an issue. As one astute observer pointed out, BBFS is a lot more prevalent than you might think. Girls like their clients on average much more than you might think, don't believe all that hardcore ho bullshit you read occasionally.

I could pass on some real potential horror stories to you, but, look, I enjoy being dead. Please leave me alone!

i am appalled that a self respecting and long experienced hobbyist would plunge into bare back dis o dat without a total command and respect for the epidemiology, sociology and rantology of hiv studies done with obscure samples in compromised designs using incomplete behavioral and sex contact assessments!

what, don't you believe that cheesy statistics coupled with the best modern flawed data can predict to the ninth decimal place your EXACT probability of catching a lesion on the left side of your mr. happy? and that's his *good* side, at least on mine!

i for one cannot participate in a thread, such as this one i am participating in now, in which the dire consequences of looking at a ho from twenty paces through sunglasses are not explicitly thrashed to death by everyone who has ever visited an nih or hhs web site and been left drooling by the inconclusive conclusions from the interim study results.

yes, everyone can use whatever protection they want, see whatever minxes they want, engage in whatever acts they want (minx permitting or facilitating, of course), and live with whatever consequences they want ... but don't imply that there is no risk, because there is. see it? it's right there! and once i find my pocket calculator, i will PROVE it!

I think his point was that we get check more frequently than the average female given what we do and that given what we do we're health conscience and doing what we feel is safe given all the information available.  If your not happy at home probably your SO isn't either.   Not saying all SO's will wander but if they do they're probably not hooking up with a paid escort who IS up on the health concerns associated with this business and uses condoms always.  I also didn't get the picture the good professor was a loose cannon himself or was specifically saying that was the way to be.  I think he was coming from a different point about the fact a significant number of we providers are constantly being screened for your concerns (every 2-3 mos)and the likely hood of a broken condom generating a problem is the lessor variable.  Maybe if you are that concerned I wouldn't have a problem showing my most recent test results if someone ask.  Just my 2 cents

as i so often am, but i'm thinking that mr d is being either ironic, facetious, or silly but i'm not sure which one as i can't find my dictionary. i know it's around here someplace, near my pocket calculator....

That even though you’re wearing a condom, for the most part, you’re getting the equivalent of BBFS!!! AGAIN, with the exception of Chlymidia, unless the condom goes ALL the way down your shaft you ARE receiving BBFS. And even if the condom does go all the way down, the base of your shaft (where unprotected by condom) is more vulnerable to infection since most STD’s enter through damaged (shaved) skin. Though, if I’m wrong, feel free to jump in and correct me here.

I’m not advocating BBFS, and do bring my own rubbers when seeing my ATF to insure proper fit.


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It's very simple. If you have doubts, just don't do it!

A properly applied, thinner condom, feels almost as good as BBFS, particularly if you use some lube on your unit prior to putting the condom on. It also increases the time it takes to reach an O, so it extends pleasure, and provides a fair amount of safety.

BBBJ and some mutual, manual stimulation, DFK, and maybe another language or two thrown in, and hey, you got yourself a real good time. One thing that I've learned in this life, don't push your luck, and know when to take a profit ( : MfSD.

Unless you 1) need to shave the base of your shaft (most men do not grow hair on the shaft of the penis!), 2) have in so shaving given yourself razor burn, microscopic cuts, etc, 3) and if the lady has a disease which can be transported that way, you have zilch to worry about and you are NOT in fact having sex bareback! NO.

Having sex bareback can cause pregnancy... with a condom correctly used, it can't.

Of course by ALL statistical accounts, it's much more likely for the lady to catch something from you than vice versa... so maybe for you the condom issue doesn't seem all that important.  Thankfully, the ladies will take care of that issue without your help!

Nicole

SCDC, let me restate my argument, which again is NOT promoting going bareback but trying to make people aware that the condom for the most part is NOT doing everything they think it is. BTW, I'm really hoping that one the physicians out there reading this will respond and prove me wrong, as this is an issue that has been concerning me for some time.

1. Yes, most guys don't shave the shaft and we are talking about the base (where shaft meets jewels) and not the shaft itself. Shaving, unless done with an electric razor, will produce microscopic nicks/cuts wherein contracting some form of STD is more likely (I think). However, that is not my entire argument, which is that if you're covering up only 75% of your dick with the condom and leaving an area at the base exposed, then isn't that portion of the dick receivinb bareback? To date, and with the exception of Clymidia, I have heard no statistical information that STD's are more likely to enter or be transmitted through the glans area.

2. Yes, condoms can/do prevent pregnancy, but my argument is focused on the illusion of protection and not pregnancy. Again, I'm not saying that condoms do no good, but I am saying that I think that condoms are offering far less protection than we know or will admit.

3. Actually, the condom issue is very important to me, that's why I've taken the time to bring this up and that's why I now bring my own.

Again, somebody please prove me wrong.........it would make my hobbying a lot less worrisome.

Solve your own problem, and pull the condom down all the way, why don'tcha!!!!

Hate to state the obvious here, but come on!

Hey I'll add something to your arguement about the ineffectiveness of condoms. If you put it on your NOSE, it won't keep your PENIS safe! LOL!

So use it RIGHT, hmmmm???

Nicole