Just curious why she would cry over something a customer said. You need thick skin in this biz. Back on topic....I am of the opinion that GFE includes bbbj. However, there is no black and white with GFE. Everyone's got a little bit different view of what it is.

Techinically a stranger could give you a bbbj. GFE should mean intimacy vs. sex. Does she make you feel good or just give you a good bang?

I agree that GFE SHOULD include BBBJ, but it doesn't HAVE TO include it. To me it is a lot of kissing, at least LFK, and just an overall personal/intimate experience. There is an agency local to me that only allows their girls to do CBJ. It doesn't take away from the experience though because all of the girls at the agency are excellent at their job and provide top notch GFE service. I think it is more the providor's attitude than anything else. Good kissing is a must and BBBJ helps, but isn't required to be a great GFE. Just my thoughts.

No, I absolutely do NOT think GFE should or must include BBBJ.

GFE is really more about ATTITUDE.....about pampering, spoiling, and making him feel like a king. Its about stepping into fantasy and indulging in an experience that stimulates all the senses. If she exudes the attitude that you are the greatest guy in the world, and there is no where else she wants to be right now, that is GFE. Things like being unrushed, giving the full amount of time expected, multiple pops if a guy is up to it, DFK, cuddling - these are the things that make a GFE session.

CBJ versus BBBJ is about safety. Just because you want her to treat you like her boyfriend does NOT mean she should be expected to put her own health at risk just to fulfill your fantasy, and she shouldn't be expected to go over her own boundaries.

For my part, my preference is BBBJ. It feels more natural, I enjoy giving oral too much to give up the pleasure of feeling the smooth skin of a cock in my mouth (yes, I really love it), and I can't stand the taste of latex. But that is my choice. I am aware that I am taking on a higher level of risk, but it is my choice to make. If other women prefer to reduce their risk by using a cover, that is their right, and it does NOT make them less of a GFE than me.

Most of the definitions overlap. Most of the overlaps are large, but each guy has his own subtleties that he looks for. Cover vs. no cover for BJ is just another one of the variations. While I feel confidant that most want (or expect) BBBJ some (maybe many) could live without it. It depends how well she performs (i.e. makes up for it) in the other areas that are important to a guy’s hopes and desires.

Poker, I have been spoiled.  My definition of a GFE came from an incredible provider.  She offered BBBJ so in my mind everyone else who I considered being a GFE would also offer it.  

I would not be upset with a provider who did not offer it, I would just choose not to see her as that part of the experience is important to me.

I wonder about your friend's bad experience.  Was there some confusion on her web site or reviews as to what level of services was given?  

I also realize that the lady should always have the right to limit the services to those whom she deems appropriate.  

It may have been the guy, even though in the hobby for many years, did not have the level of hygiene your friend felt appropriate to share that experience with.

if you are advertising gfe, the you should also mention cbj only.

easily done covertly by just saying, i offer an all-dishes-covered gfe service.

or something like that.

cbj vs bbbj is a huge deciding factor for most guys.

gfe service is a service that is impossible to fake so if you're not digging the client, you're not going to be gfe.

imo, girls who promise the moon and the stars rarely deliver.

Im still a bit new at the hobby, but to me the GFE term describes a basic "package" which includes BJ and FS with at least light kissing and the possibility of DATY. Covered or not is her choice, plain and simple.

Anna had a great suggestion:
Advertise she loves to kiss and cuddle, but safety is not compromised for any activities.

She'll have a larger repeat clientele being upfront.

It's bullshit that every hobbyist sees it that way.

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It's an attitude, a feeling.  In part, it's you allowing her to convince you that there is no place she would rather be.  Suspended disbelief...

In shill mode for a moment.  The last review I wrote (went up today) I saw a lady who is CBJ only, which is unusual for me.  But to say that she was anything but GFE would be a huge disservice.  She was present and giving beyond reasonable expectations.

Yes, BBBJ is huge for many of us, but it remains a menu item that you need to look for if it's important to you.  Like anything else, if a lady isn't comfortable with BBBJ she does need a way to let her customers know so there are no false impressions going in.  I think, however, that they are two entirely different matters.

Obviously varies!

However, for me, it is a very intimate experience with connection with a provider who is capable of being very close to me for the time allotted, but able to end the session with clear boundaries so I don't go home confused and "in love"!  

For me it always and must involve great kissing and cuddling, great conversation, and a lot of laughing and fun.  While I seek only bbbj by review, and I think most good GFE providers do bbbj, it is not one of the most important criteria for me.

Some of my best GFE providers have become friends as well as I became a regular and we email, pm, and talk a lot.  That pushes both person's ability to maintain the boundaries- meaning not falling in love, not expecting freebies, etc.

GFE has absolutely nothing to do with acronyms. Not BBBJ or CG or DATY or anything. Those are just physical actions. You can go to a provider who will do all the acronyms, and maybe even moan a little, but not be anywhere close to GFE.

GFE is an "Experience" not a specific act or group of acts. I have said before a list of things I would consider to be part of GFE and have since then rethought it all out.

I believe a GFE is a session where you leave feeling comfortable, elated, and smiling. The provider makes the client feel special, cared about, and desired. Sure you can go find a beautiful provider willing to BBBJ and all that other stuff, but if she doesn't make you feel like you are different from the other 10 guys she laid there and let do that to her then she isn't GFE.

You can't classify GFE into one list of items. It is a feeling that two people would share and know when it happens. My GFE provider might not be a GFE for someone else and visa versa.

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In the very beginning I did not want a GFE.  Every girl friend I had was saving it for her honeymoon night.  

Actually, I'd have thought FS would have included the entire list of options. Always thought the term "full" meant the works. Now it seems to be the stripped down model.

In a recent ad, I saw someone who offered the perfect wife experience. My mind immediately flashed to walking in and being handed a monkey wrench and being told the faucet is leaking, the washing machine was banging and it all had given her a headache.

One day I'll figure it out.

the guy didn't do his homework and took it out on her. What a bastard. If someone tried to yell at me and be rude during an appointment, I'd sure as hell yell back and give him hell. Why is it some guys think they can bully girls into doing things they're not comfortable with or that they can yell at them and treat them badly? So rude...

Katie