Most the providers I see will not see black men.  Some have said that they have had bad experiences in the past.

One girl told me she will only see blacks if they are athletes lol.  Meaning lots of money.

you're ok with the stereotype that only black men rob providers? I find this question, and consequently your bringing it here, offensive.

Am i to assume you have suffered discrimination by providers?

In your defense i've known many people not worth putting their feet under my table, from all walks of life.

I can't discuss this matter. Racism makes me wanna puke in seventeen different directions. Good Luck

Many Ladies say these things in general about black clients (of course there are exceptions). I'm only the messenger here.

Many black men are rough.

Many are poor tippers or haggle over donation.

Many are not as clean as other ethnic groups & refuse to shower.

Many are very disrespectful and treat girls like street hos.

even if you are young and black, there will still be plenty of women to choose from.

Some hate Indians, and some hate Asians. It's not just Blacks that get denied service.

how some people's anti-racism rants go extreme when they themselves are not or cannot be a victim of racism and discrimination, and therefore cannot understand it except on an entirely intellectual level.

Don’t get me wrong, you can hate something out of principle and you can even align yourself to work against it. But when emotions flare beyond the level of those who have been the subject of said persecution and have lived with the reality of it all their lives, the rant just comes across as grandiose, self-serving posturing, no matter how real the sentiment may be.

Frankly, that’s what makes me puke.

You want to fight it? Good!

You want to help put an end it? Better!

Then talk about. Rationally. Peacably. Talk to everyone. And don’t stop.  

And for Chrissakes you better fuckin’ learn to never take offense at the words of someone who is in the group that is being discriminated against. When they speak, shut the fuck up, listen, and try to understand. And don’t think for one arrogant second that you have any idea what it is like for them.

Just sayin'



w104044a, I hope you get answers. Peace
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We've all seen the man at the liquor store beggin' for your change
The hair on his face is dirty, dreadlocked and full of mange
He ask the man for what he could spare with shame in his eyes
Get a job you fuckin' slob's all he replied

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like

Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom who said he was in love
He said don't worry about a thing baby doll I'm the man you've been dreamin' of
But three months later he said he won't date her or return her call
And she sweared god damn if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls
And then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin' through the doors
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like

I've seen a rich man beg
I've seen a good man sin
I've seen a tough man cry
I've seen a loser win
And a sad man grin
I heard an honest man lie
I've seen the good side of bad
And the down side of up
And everything between
I licked the silver spoon
Drank from the golden cup
Smoked the finest green
I stroked the fattest dimes at least a couple of times
Before I broke their heart
You know where it ends
Yo, it usually depends on where you start

I knew this kid named Max
He used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs
He liked to hang out late at night
Liked to get shit faced
And keep pace with thugs
Until late one night there was a big gun fight
Max lost his head
He pulled out his chrome .45
Talked some shit
And wound up dead
Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all of his pain
You know it crumbles that way
At least that's what they say when you play the game

God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like
Then you really might know what it's like

To have to lose...

I have searched the forums and was surprised that this hasn't been discussed fully. For providers that state they don't see black men, what's your main reason? Is it fear of getting robbed, had bad experiences in the past or that no amount of money is worth dealing with a black person?

P/s I am black.

I've known this one chick for quite a few years, friend of a friend, terrible reputation in the "hobby", a page full of "I should have just stayed home" type reviews - she refuses to see black men as clients. In her personal life however, she only dates black men, exclusively.

I asked her why, she replied, "because they would never fall for some of the tricks I pull or put up with the shit I make my 'bitches' (her clients = her bitches, nice huh?) go through".  

Her friend, who I don't know as well, but who is also a stereotypical Newport puffing wanna-be ghetto white girl with black only stamped on her twat, had the same rule, no black clients, but her reasoning was different - "because I don't wanna see someone as a trick who I might actually like for real. That just feels wierd."

My BM, who is not black, but is of another brown skinned culture, refused to see men of her own race, even though she had dated many before me - reason given: with people from her country who live in our area everyone knows everyone through someone else and she was certain there would be a high probability of them having a mutual aquaintence, thus making them a potential threat to her privacy.

My point being, just because they won't book with a certain type of person, does not necessarily mean they are racist or have something against that group of people personally, it just means the nature of the game is such that they have to do whatever is right for their business and to protect their own interests, whatever they may be/ emotional, physical, financial, anonymity, etc...

Either that or they're just terrified of the big black dick mytholgy, kinda like the sloppy drunken Irishmen myth...well...cept that one is actually true...

Also, there is a lot of reviewers that appear to see only white women.

I'm sure, like any other racism, somebody can somehow justify this in their mind. However it isn't illegal to be a racist and express that. But it is illegal to be a prostitute. I'm just glad I see black ladies and I don't patronize prostitutes.

Wearing Ed Hardy has nothing to do with "class", it only means their fashion sense is two years behind schedule.

And I don't know what a "though" is, I assume you meant thug - and no thug is going to be caught dead in surfer shorts and flip flops. Somone who is trying to be casual and comfortable on the other hand... you think thugs don't wear a suit and tie? John Gotti maybe?  

"Class" is an illusion for the pretentious. And judging someone on their sense of style, besides being a terrible indicator of a persons worth - financially, morally or any other facet of their existance, is also no better than judging them for their race.

My boss for example, who aside from being about the most personable character you're likely to meet, is also a millionare, with a million stories to tell from his travels across the globe - he's practically the fucking Dos Equis guy - and can seldom be seen in anything but jeans and a T-shirt. Booting him and his Ed Hardy T-shirt out the door would be your loss...but more for the less snobbish ladies I guess.

At least he might finally figure out that Ed Hardy is a fashion relic...I mean..I tried to tell him but...what's your number? I'll send him your way so he can get the message loud and clear.

I haven't suffered direct discrimination from providers but have seen a provider ad I like until the last line "no black men". I am not ok with the stereotypes but is it better to pretend that they don't exist?

My friend that is something you will have to ask the specific providers them selves. Not all providers use these boards so you may have to contact them directly. Hope you find what you are looking for.

...unfortunately are still prevalent in all types of people.
I am still surprised when I hear a gentleman of color state he has been rejected by a lady because of his ethnicity. I want to believe this sort of stereotyping is dying off yet every so often I meet someone who says he has had this experience the original poster speaks of. One would like to think that society has evolved past this by now.
I personally have never had any issues that I could in any way associate with the color of someone's skin.
I for years now have directed much of my business towards larger men or "teddy bears" because I enjoy a man of size. During which I have heard numerous horror stories from gents about how they were rejected by ladies for their weight or larger than life personas so to speak. I will tell you the same thing I tell my teddy bears.
Here it is: If a lady is too ignorant or close minded for whatever reason as to not want to see you just because of the way you look then move on and find someone who revels in your appearance and actually wants to be in your company. There are plenty of ladies out there who are open minded so don't waste your time or hard earned money on the ones who aren't.
I am sorry you have experienced this and I wish you the best on your future endeavors

the human race.

I mean do we care what type of car a person buys or what they eat for lunch ? How about the clothes they wear, music they listen too or the hairstyles they sport. But it's automatic racism if an Eskimo's preference is to not sleep with a Slovakian.

Seriously !  The Sh*t Gets Old !

But you have lots of reviews.  So...which is it?

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Exactly my sentiments.  I am not PC enough to buy the line, "I don't see color."  Bullshit.  A person's exterior is the first thing you see.  Like everything else about appearance, it's a YMMV situation and has nothing to do with racism, at least not automatically.  One of the hottest  providers I've been with is Jamaican.  And there's an African-American gal I recently met who's on my "do do" list.  But I tend to prefer Caucasian women.  It's a physical preferrence with no racial overtones.  To suggest otherwise is just reverse racism.

Great answer

I mean really. Who cares what the motivation is? The fact doesn't change that everyone, hobbyists & providers a like what their criteria is. If you don't meet that criteria, move along. There are plenty out there that will see you that are just as good, & attractive (if not more so)

I have seen quite a few nice black gentlemen and then I have seen a few who where just a little to big for my sweet little girl. Of those gentlemen all understood and enjoyed all I had to offer with no complaints and some wrote nice reviews of our time. I can say the very same thing for the white gentlemen I have seen through the years.

It's called freedom of choice and who would want to lay with anyone who doesn't want to be with you. Why would you even consider this an issue when it comes to sharing your bed.

I guess I am in a similar boat with you since the over 45 ladies just aren't in demand like the younger ladies are. I can't come here and gripe about it since it's freedom of choice on the gentleman's part.

Just because you have an envelope full of money doesn't mean every women you choose on this site has to accept your offer. Lots of  things are for sale here but one that seldom is, is one's personal choice.

Kisses Haley

Perhaps she had a bad experience with one black man or a provider friend of a friend of a friend did...and automatically it makes sense in her mind to not see any of them- Yes if that's the reasoning behind it- very dumb IMO- because there are white clients who fuck up all the time, and some are absolute assholes- and rip offs - yet you don't see those providers isolate them in the "No white clients" disclaimer. Why? The reason is simple- because most of their clients are more than likely white- and if she didn't see any white men her ass would be out of business!

On the other hand it simply could be a matter of preference. Just as many black clients will not see black providers...for whatever their reasons are.

My suggestion would be if you really want to know- just ask her, she's the one that could give you the best reason why.

But more importantly why ask why? Who cares! Any provider that groups a whole race as a "will not see" should not even be a second thought to you.

xo
S

I don't care about skin color, but I care about class. Yes, call me a snob... I refuse to see anyone who shows up in an Ed Hardy t-shirt, surfer shorts and flip-flops, or torn socks or anything alike. If you don't look like a gentleman, I will ask you to leave. Do more black men tend to look like that? I don't know. In the last 6 months (which is about as far as I can remember), I have met 4 men whose choice of attire made me ask them to leave. 2 were black, 1 was Asian and one was white. If you look like a though, I will treat you like one. I have also noticed that many older black gentlemen will dress up much nicer than their white, Asian, etc. friends. Maybe it is to compensate for the apparent discrimination they must be facing. All I know is that when they show up in their sexy suits and ties I just want to jump their bones.
So the providers who refuse to see black men are missing out, some of my sexiest clients are older black gentlemen, but more for me!

I have heard these same excuses from ladies, bit I have to disagree.
I don't think black men are any rougher than other men. If anything - in my experience - they tend to follow the provider's lead as far as the intensity goes. I have had my fair (or unfair?) share of men who had an above average size and no matter what they did, it felt rougher. I had twho choices. Tell them to stop or get into it. Most of the time I just lubed up and got right on. lol

I have only had one man haggle over the donation with me, he was not black. Tipping varies but I don't see a relation to ethnicity.

I have no problem getting black men to shower and they all know from my reviews that they have to. The only man that ever refused to shower was an Italian but when I started to give him a CBJ instead of my usual and legendary BBBJ, he got my point and he has been showering ever since.

I have never been treated like a street hoe. I guess it has to do with charging higher donations but if someone tried that it would not go over well with me. I think men of any ethnicity will see women whose donation and demeanor they are comfortable with. Anyone who sees a GFE provider at a higher donation level will treat her as such, while someone who visits a BP girl for an $80 hit and run will treat her as such. It would be more gentlemanly if they still treated her with respect but respect needs to be earned and it is hard to demand it when the client knows that his is the 16th penis in your mouth that day and it's only 11 am... Anyway.

I guess my point is that we've all heard those reasons, but as a provider who actually sees men of all races, I cannot agree with them.

(And Lisa, I lnow you are just the messenger, so the above is not against you in any way.)

who make themselves available in exchange for cash, so it's quite understandable that it would draw the ire of people who are being told their money isn't good enough to partake.  In addition to that, we're talking about exclusion of a specific race.  It isn't that these ladies are listing their "preferences."  They're saying "no black men," which understandably upsets some sensibilities or at the very least raises eyebrows of the affected group.  Actually it raises MY eyebrows and I'm not a member of the affected group.  

I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp when this discussion comes up.  It's not pleasant to be prejudged and preemptively excluded based on something you can't control.

It could be that black dudes have a much larger dick than most and tend to be rougher, especially toward girls who offer greek. It could also be that there's no particular reason... other than simple preference.

For some reason, I am asian but I find myself never repeating or even all that attracted to pure asian girls. I don't find Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, etc particularly arousing. I rarely if ever see asians that are of the same race as I, let alone pure asians in general.  Sure some are very attractive, even have pages of 9/perfect 10 reviews, but I don't find myself picking up the phone to meet one.  Now a mutt, such as mix of German / Italian / Scottish / Australian / Russian / Spanish / Canadian, mixed in with possibly an Asian race, I would find much more attractive.

Having said clearly that I don't find Asians attractive, I don't find majority of black women all that attractive either. Not being a racist, just works the same logic as my indifference toward my own race... or the Asian race in general.  

So to answer your question, a lot of providers I know who have indicated they don't prefer black men, stated the same. No particular one reason to pinpoint, just their preference... like how I sated above.  Then again, it could be the big dick and roughness factor too, but don't quote me on that.

ps: there are always a few exceptions. I find Beyonce and Tyra Banks very attractive. Also, I came across a black provider who looks so damn hot that I am actually looking forward to meeting her one of these days. Maybe she will open my eyes and change my preference once and for all? lol  She knows who she is since we communicate on a semi regular basis.

Yes, great answer but unfortunately S.T.D.homer gave a feel-good answer.

I'm sure he has racial preference.

Just look at his reviews :0)

" I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp when this discussion comes up.  It's not pleasant to be prejudged and preemptively excluded based on something you can't control."

So File a complaint with the NCAACP  !

And I'm sorry you can't grasp the meaning of PERSONAL F*CK*NG PREFERENCE

If they don'e want to sleep with a certain person then so be it. What business is it of yours ?    

And who cares if somebody gets upset ? This isn't Kindergarten !  

When i'm in Hong Kong certain hot asians in the brothels won't service a Gwai Lo ! Do I cry and seek a therapist ? No , I go find the hot Asian who will do me ! PERIOD !

Boiling everything down to racism is not wanting to face the truth. Even though I love to fuck, there are quite lot, I would not fuck for any reason whatsoever regardless of race and a lot I would gladly fuck regardless of race.

Let me ask you I know quite a few Black Women in the business that would not see black men, what do you consider that? Racism?

Time to get over boiling everything down to racism. Truth is, you are not going to change those who are racists regardless of what you do, they are going to take it to the grave. You are pissing off those who don't give a damn.

I think you've misunderstood my post.

I agree with you. A lady can do what she wants. Not seeing black men is not a defacto racist act.

I'm talking about how a black man asks a question and a white man gets offended at the question because the white man implies he is so anti-racist he is offended. Or the white man is offended because the black man asks about racism and the white man is so offended because he thinks the black man shouldn't even ask.

That is grandiose, self-serving posturing.

I spent a lifetime of receiving ridicule and discrimination. Not for my color, but I know what it like. I have blacks in my family who live with racism. I have some idea of what is like close up.

When I hear members of the priviledged class (like white middle class) get more outraged and rant about racism more than my family I can see right through their arrogance.

That's what I'm talking about. You can't be that angry when it has never touched you or your loved ones, unless you live inside your head, and need some help from a shrink.

That's what I'm sayin.

As far as I'm concerned a provider can choose to see whomever she wants for any reason. That being said, I found this article and found it interesting. Check out the link.

Re: Yes, great answer but unfortunately S.T.D.homer gave a feel-good answer.

lol, everyone does. Its not racist to have a preference in who you whish to bed.

It's a preference.  Life isn't fair.  There are enough girls that will see you. Go find em.

Are you going to call me racise against Indians now?

I have read most of the thread and I think you are just hearing opinions you don't like for the most part. Personal Preference IS NOT racism! The things that happened to black people in the past were wrong and horrific and are in no way justified neither then nor now.

With that said, the ladies already have to deal with white people that disgust them. If they already have enough clients and black men do not interest them to start with, why would they just open the door to one more thing that they are not attracted to?

I have no problem telling anyone that I have NO interest in having sex with an asian or black lady. That's my choice, it does not make me racist. I have friends that are black and quite a few honestly and I'd tell them the same thing. There are black men that don't have any desire to have sex with a white lady, does that make them racist? NO it means they too have PERSONAL PREERENCE.

You just as we all do, look for what we are attracted to. This is one of the few things a lady can do to keep from meeting people she's unattracted to. The op and anyone else that doesn't like it should just move on and pic someone else. Not everyone is for sale and just because you have a fist full of hundreds doesn't mean they'll do things or see people they don't want to

Agreed, having a preference for who myou sleep with isnt racism.

Funny you said that you aren't crazy about Asian women.  I'm not all that crazy about black guys!  And in 3 years of being here, I've only had 4 black clients.  So apparently black guys don't like black women either lol!

I think we just like to sample other flavors than our own, that's all.  I see nothing wrong with it.  I can also say that I haven't found that many Asian guys attractive, simply because of height.  I am pretty tall for a woman so I tend to like men taller than me.  Hispanic and Asian men tend to be on the shorter side.  But even if youre short, id still love you long time.  I do like the foreman from Iron Chef though.  

Yeah, I agree. Who you choose to be bed buddies with is very personal, thats the only time discrimination is ok,lol.

It's sad to have people miss the point while making themselves examples of the very problem that you illuminated.  I'm not sure how else you can say so that it becomes clear.

How often do you come across a provider who will not see white men any where on the planet? When you start to think about why that is you'll start to see how much racism is a part of "personal preference" whether you want to admit it or not.

Does racism exist? There's no doubt that it still exists and in ALL directions but not all personal preferance is racism.

I honestly can't say that I have come across any ladies that won't see white men. I've heard of black ladies that won't see whit men but I can't pesonally attest to that either because I'm not looking at their sites. I would really like to know the percentage though on both sides to see how that comes out.

I've seen about 50 - 60 different providers and only one of them has listed on her site "No Black men".  Now I'm not a accountant but that 1.667% to 2% of my personal experiances in this hobby where white ladies will not see black men. I don't know if she's racist, cause thats not what I'm there to find out.

I want to start be saying I'm sorry you, your family, or anyone for that matter has had to endure or will endure ridicule and / or discrimination. And I say that at the beginning of my post with all sincerity because you are not going to like the rest of it.

I stated this in my above post....... [I've seen about 50 - 60 different providers and only one of them has listed on her site "No Black men".  Now I'm not a accountant but that 1.667% to 2% of my personal experiences in this hobby where white ladies will not see black men.]

So from my point of view it's a low percentage to start with. In fact I bet that you, as has everyone in this hobby, had greater than 2% of the ladies not respond or not schedule a date with them. So in my eyes this was totally the conversation that the op wanted to have. Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer.

Now to your statement "I have some idea of what is like close up. When I hear members of the privileged class (like white middle class) get more outraged and rant about racism more than my family I can see right through their arrogance." Could it be that we "Posture" as you call it because maybe we do take offence to being considered racist? And that's not a stereotypical statement??? So because I'm white upper middle class and I have an opinion that I'm not afraid to share, I'm arrogant and it's automatically a rant? Maybe it's statements like that that make us angry and rant as you call it, or better yet jade us on the subject all together.


Isn't it stereotypes like you just made that you would like to eradicate? With statements like that, you appear to be part of the problem not part of the solution.

You think racism only works one way, or that racism is the only from of discrimination? You sir are blind. I will share something. I am a white guy and I have been the victim of a severe hate crime because my race and I have faced other forms of discrimination as well.

When I was 16 I ran away from home because things wasn't so good there. I found myself in an unfamiliar city at night in the wrong part of town. Five black guys and black two girls surrounded me. They started to beat me. Three of the guys raped me. All the time making racist comments. They did it because I was white.

After they had there fun, I got to a pay phone and called the rape hotline for advice on what to do and the lady at the hot when hearing I am male said, "We don't help rapists". I was assumed to be the rapist because of my sex. I went back home and didn't breathe a word to anyone about what happened because of fear I would not be believed and because I was ashamed. Men just don't get raped. That day changed me forever, and not in a good way.

I have also been discriminated against because of my weight. I have been pass up for promotions for that very reason even though I was the most qualified. I have been told as much. It is one of the reasons I started my business, it was the only way I felt I would get a fair shake. People constantly have made insulting comments on my weight. I have learned to embrace these comments and not be hurt by them. Yes I have been refused by providers and countless civie ladies because of my weight as well.

Your comments on never being touched is the most arrogant comment on the thread. Your posts reeks of reverse racism. Racism swings all directions and is found in all colors and classes. You have no clue of what you speak. Your, ChurchOfThePoisonedMind post offends me. I think it is nothing but a "grandiose, self-serving posturing" pile of bull shit. Poisoned mind indeed.

Anyone can be a victim of racism or anther form of discrimination as it isn't just a white on anther race issue. Anyone can be a racist, and anyone can be a victim of discrimination. Please open your eye and see the truth. You comments are part if the problem as they are so closed minded and narrow.

As to the OP I have no comment. I do know it sucks to be turned down because of who you are. I am sorry it happened to you. You will never get a satisfactory answer. And the answer is likely different for each lady. Please note though you are better off with them being honest about it. Just move on and enjoy those that will see you. That is what I did about the ladies that turned me down because of my weight.

Have you ever seen a black man wearing Ed Hardy? Where I'm from they won't.