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Brexit and the toll on sex workers.
bigguy30 2827 reads
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GaGambler 160 reads
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They are hot, provide great service and typically charge lower rates than the local girls in whatever country they happen to be in. The Colombianas are much the same in Latin America, it seems like wherever you go in Latin America, in a dozen different countries I can think of off the top of my head, the hottest "putas" always seem to be Colombianas.  

 
It's not a big surprise they are trying to run off the Romanian girls, I know many of the Latin American countries have succeeded in running off the Colomibianas, and I know how much pressure the K-Girls are under right here at home.

 
Racism is hardly unique to this country, nor is it confined to just sex workers.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 100 reads
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I don't get why it is a racial issue.  The last time I was in Poland, Albania or Romania, which admittedly, was over ten years ago, the local populace consisted mostly of Caucasians.  Are we to believe that only Romanians of color are traveling to the UK to work based on the comments of the spokes-hole in the article for the local hooker's union?  

 
Seems like misinformation, or at least a diversion, to throw race into the discussion.  If LE is expelling foreigners, race should have nothing to do with it.  Its about nationality, not race.  But as you point out, the same thing happens in the US based on race.  IMO, If they approached trafficking in the US from a perspective of nationality rather than race, Chinese and Hispanic orgs would be targeted, and LE would leave Kgirls alone.      

GaGambler 143 reads
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But you'd hardly think that was the case to hear about all the "racism" directed against Latinos. Racism is not alway a black/white issue. Skin color is just one of the differences humans use to hate each other.

 
It's even less obvious when looking at various ethnic conflicts. Take the Bosnian "race war" do you think the average American could tell the different between a Croat or a Serb? but it's still considered a race war. Albanians  and Turks, Indians and Pakistanis, the list goes on and on.

 
If we want to be picky we could call it "ethnically" driven as opposed to racism, but I would say that would be a difference without a distinction. Different race, different ethnicity. Potato/Potatoe as far as I am concerned.

 

And if LE was concerned about nationality here, I wonder how many Russian hookers would still be here? Personally, I am a fan of ALL hookers being allowed to stay in this country, they perform a valued service and are most definitely a net positive IMHO. lol

mrfisher 115 Reviews 111 reads
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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 93 reads
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I listened to the first 30 seconds and the last 30 seconds.  They were pretty much the same.  Lol

impposter 49 Reviews 124 reads
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Reminds me of an early Yiddish version of Psy's "Oppa Bucharest Style".

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 116 reads
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Does anybody know what that word means anymore?  

mrfisher 115 Reviews 101 reads
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KalyEscort 119 reads
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I'm from Argentina, UK was in war with my country. I never had racist issues even with the local people. And in every entry  I had a 6 months visa. Working as an escort the police never disturb or prosecute the backpage or another random escort guide. You have problems with the police if you create problems, like scandals, violence, stolen things to your customers, drugs... So I take this news with clamps.

GaGambler 45 reads
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Badly, but the same lol

 
Personally, I can't imagine limiting myself to seeing women of only one race or color, why would I want to exclude millions of potential hotties over something so insignificant as skin color, when I have already crossed so many off my list for being old, or fat, or ugly? I only have three rules in this regard. "No viejas, no gordas, y no feas" jaja

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 31 reads
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treat someone badly, its whether they have ever seen you treat someone else better.  Treating everyone the same is how everyone should live their life.  I have only two rules in my businesses for my employees . . . . 1) Treat everyone the same (and that includes oldies, fatties and uglies), and 2) always do what you say you're going to do (even if you lose money once in awhile, but if that happens a lot, you get fired).  

Blarharse 3 Reviews 104 reads
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Just in case we lose perspective here, you can't disprove that you're a racist because you're willing to fuck a girl of a particular race. It's obviously possible to be a racist and still bang a girl.  

But if you 100% refuse to bang a girl of a particular race, then that pretty much proves racism.  

All of that having been said, however, EVERYONE is a racist and it doesn't matter.  

Not. One. Bit.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 110 reads
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There's a perfectly good definition of racism, but political agendas benefit by exploiting their own variants.  i.e.  Racism is the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race."  The key phrase is "all members" ... every individual.   If you don't believe every individual of a given race has the same characteristics or abilities, you AREN'T a racist.  Most people aren't racist under this definition.  

Most people are tribal, however -- our group.  What constitutes a group in our minds varies widely ... could be social economic status, religion, political view, race, age, gender, sexual orientation, favorite movie, etc

Who we find sexually attractive has little to do with such intellectual considerations.  I'm not going to apologize to anyone for who I find sexually appealing.  

bofia 26 Reviews 97 reads
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Lester, I found your definition of racism online, but you seem to have only copied an excerpt that fits your agenda.

 
Personally, I don't have a definition of racism, but I know it when I see it.

GaGambler 51 reads
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ESPECIALLY when I would be "too nice" to attractive women, so I made it a habit to flirt with even the oldest, fattest, ugliest women, (as long as they weren't ugly on the inside as well) so she could never accuse me of only being nice to hot women. This was decades ago, but the habit stuck.  

 
Back to racism, some people think that using racial slurs, or otherwise being racially insensitive is what makes someone a racist. I completely disagree with this line of reasoning, I will routinely tell a Jewish friend of mine to "jump into the microwave" I tell  watermelon jokes to my black friends and beaner jokes to my Latino friends, and of course I make even more fun of white people and the dumb things they do, especially the ones suffering from "white guilt". Taken individually any one of these things would "prove" I am a racist, but taken in their entirety they prove the opposite. Let me put it this way, who is the actual racist, the guy who uses the "N word" routinely around his black friends, or the guy who doesn't have any black friends in the first place?

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 91 reads
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There is essentially no difference between the two. One is just clearer than the other. I chose the clearer one.

GaGambler 109 reads
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About as easy as defining GFE. Good luck with either one. lol

 
The so called definition of racism seems to change hourly, and is most definitely "in the eye of the beholder" I am sure that if you were to ask Al Sharpton and David Duke the exact same questions you would some VERY different answers. Which one is correct? Once again,  it's all "in the eye of the beholder" Personally, I think they are BOTH racists, but I am sure anyone with as much as a third grade education could find millions of people who disagree with me.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 27 reads
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in college was black guy and we used to get some strange looks in public when I called him "mudbone" and he called me "cracker."  This was in the late 70's, but the sad thing is that it would probably get an even stronger reaction from others now, because the do-gooders of the world have pushed us into a state of complete political correctness.

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vorlon 119 Reviews 103 reads
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Sexual attraction or lack thereof to women of a certain race is hardly racism.  Everybody has their own set of characteristics that they find arousing in potential sex partners.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 89 reads
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the same shit if they decline to see men of certain races.  There have been scores of posts here of mongers complaining that certain providers don't see this race or that.  What makes it worse is when other providers chime in and start bashing a girl for not seeing certain races.  Many girls don't see men of the same race that they are.  Is that racism, too?  I don't get it at all.  Its her pussy, her rules.  Who is anyone else to tell a girl what to do with her body?

GaGambler 103 reads
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That said, discriminating by race is by definition,  RACISM. What the fuck else are we supposed to call it?

 
I completely support the right of a woman (or man) to "refuse service" to ANYONE for what ever reason she chooses, to do otherwise sends us down a very slippery slope. The next logical step of course would be to force sexual providers of both sexes (plus all the variations of trannies) to see patrons of any sex or risk being called out for sexual discrimination. I know lopaw has chimed in on this subject before, she is the last person who wants women being FORCED to see her, no more than I want a women who hates slanted eyes being forced to see me again her will.  

 
BUT, just like I support BOTH the BLM and the KKK's right to be heard, it doesn't mean that I agree with them. As for black women not seeing black men, there are self loathing members of ALL races, I don't have to tell you about white guilt, or Jewish self loathing,  and I am sure you know a LOT of Asian women who can't stand Asian men. In Costa Rica I can think of dozens of Ticas who have told me that they would NEVER fuck another Tico in their lives.  

 
I agree, "her pussy, her rules" but I reserve the right to call it what it is, and what it is 99% of the time is blatant RACISM, your attempts to whitewash it as something else notwithstanding. I will concede that "some" of what is blamed on racial bias is really more cultural bias than racial, but it is bias nonetheless. Just like I have taken heat from some of the uber sensitive members here for my outspoken bias against fucking old, fat or ugly women. Yes, I am most certainly biased, but unlike a lot of the people who try to justify their racist bias, I fully own my biases, skin color just doesn't happen to be one of them in my case.

bofia 26 Reviews 82 reads
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Posted By: coeur-de-lion
 Its her pussy, her rules.  Who is anyone else to tell a girl what to do with her body?
did GK ghost write this for you? LOL

bofia 26 Reviews 94 reads
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I agree with your statement; however, I don't buy into that narrow definition of racism that excludes anyone who makes a single exception to their otherwise racist actions. That would be like saying "I'm not racist toward AA because I like Uncle Tom."

GaGambler 121 reads
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Yeah, that's a pretty fucking dumb statement, isn't it? lol

 
but to say that race has NOTHING to do with our preferences would be kind of silly as well. The races are NOT all the same. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, only that there are most definitely differences between the races. Personally, I am happy there are differences and if I could go fuck some of those hot alien women on the Sci Fi shows, I'd be happy to go fuck them too.  

 
I also disagree that you have to attribute negative stereotypes to ALL members of a race to be considered a racist. Take this statement for example "You aren't bad looking for a ______" or "You're kind of cute, and you don't smell anywhere near as bad as most people of your race" or how about "Your ass isn't as big as most_______" Someone PLEASE try to claim those statements aren't both racist and highly offensive to anyone on the receiving end of them.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 95 reads
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I wouldn't let GK lick my ass for free.  Lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 121 reads
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"preferences".  We all have them.  Are you arguing that a provider having a preference for not having men of certain races stick their dicks in her is some kind of racism?  Its an intimate act, and a lot different from a store clerk refusing to sell a shirt to a black guy because he's  black or a restaurant who refuses to serve an Asian guy dinner because he's Asian.  Those examples move past the point of preference and become racism, because the act of selling someone goods or services is NOT personal, sex.  I don't think you can apply the same standard to sex work.  If a girl has preferences in race, why should she not just TELL everyone  she has limitations on who she will get naked with.  I don't think that is racism at all.  I don't want to have sex with a man, but I don't think that makes me a homophobe any more than you.  You're oversimplifying, and there are distinctions that come into play in sex work.  Would you rather providers NOT tell customers they have exclusions, and then BOTH have a bad time?  

 
If you say you do not want to have sex with someone who does not want to have sex with you, then you should be okay with her telling you  the reason she wants to exclude you.  You don't waste your money on a bad date and she doesn't have to try to fake liking it when she knew going in that she wouldn't.  She doesn't want to have sex with a guy who is going to make her gag before he even takes his dick out.  I feel the same about age preferences.  To me, not telling me that she doesn't like guys who are sixty would piss me off.  There are plenty of girls I can have a GOOD time with.  Why do I want to have a bad time just because I made her fuck an old guy when she didn't want to so she wouldn't be called an ageist.  Besides, its been a long-standing policy for many providers to exclude guys under 35.  Is that discrimination?  Absolutely (unless they are also under 18, then its something else - lol)!  If a girl can have rules and preferences about age, I don't see why she is a racist if she has preferences about race with regards to who she is having sex with.  

 
Of course, I'm not taking into account that telling me might "hurt my feelings."  If you're going to be paying for pussy on the scale that some of us do, we have to be pretty thick-skinned going in.  

GaGambler 97 reads
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I know you see a LOT of Asian women, I bet it would surprise the fuck out of you if you knew how many non hooker Asian women would NEVER fuck a white guy (or black) guy no matter how much money was involved. The reason? RACISM. There is no reason to sugar coat it, racism has been around as long as there have been races.  

 
That said, I don't find a certain amount of racism to be the cardinal sin that it's made out to be in this PC world we find ourselves in. I don't know ANYONE who is truly color blind. You yourself said that "She doesn't want to be with a guy who makes her gag....." What other term would you use to describe "makes her gag" just because of his race other than RACISM???  Now just because someone is racist to a certain extent does't necessarily make them a bad person, but you can't claim that someone refusing to fuck someone sight unseen who fucks hundreds of other guys, also sight unseen, solely on the basis of race is not a racist.  

 
I do feel the same way about it as you do where it comes to "I'd rather know beforehand than after we are in the same room together" and I bet my skin is even thicker than yours as I have had to deal with the kind of racism that matters, like being turned down for a job simply because "We don't hire Japs here" (and no I am NOT Japanese, not that it mattered at the time) so I don't really get too bent out of shape over most "harmless" racism, but I do recognize it when I see it and refusing to see someone strictly because of his/her race can only be described as racism, it's pretty much the very definition of the word.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 99 reads
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Doesn't matter if you call it racism, it's not ethically or morally different than not wanting to fuck fatties, oldies, or uglies.

GaGambler 118 reads
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But if you can't call excluding EVERYONE of a certain race "racism" than just exactly what does it take to rise to your definition of racism?

 
and yes, I am fully willing to own my own "weightism, ageism, and uglyism" lol I am most definitely willing to admit to my own "discrimination" Why can't those of you who discriminate due to race own it too?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 92 reads
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"gag" to refer to any stereotypical body part on certain races, but rather just generally a physical appearance that puts her off (and triggers a gag reflex) because its not her preference.  Could be race, age, of the wart in the middle of his forehead.  

 
I'm experiencing a form of closet racism right now.  I'm white, and my girlfriend is Vietnamese.  She's not only never dated outside her race before, but also not outside her nationality.  She has been reluctant to let any of her Viet co-workers know she is sleeping with an "American" guy, (their term for white guy even though American's come in all colors), but she's a great fuck, so do you think I'm bothered by this?  Not in the least.  As you suggest, there is evil racism, and there is harmless racism.  I don't even think of the harmless variety as being racism.  Its just a technicality to even call it racism, IMO.

GaGambler 97 reads
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and the only word that applies is  RACISM.  

 
Please don't confuse with the PC crowd who thinks ALL racism is the worst crime that can possibly be committed. We both agree there are several forms of racism, the worst form of course being "endemic racism" which I have actually experienced, but I doubt that ANYONE in this country under sixty has ever encountered, and then of course there are the lessor forms, one of which you are experiencing now. But as I said, if you are discriminating "by race" then by definition it's RACISM. I am sorry if that makes people uncomfortable, but there is no other word to describe it.

 
People in this country seem to think that all racism is black and white, and this could not be further from the truth. As you are beginning to find out, some of the biggest racists on this planet are Asians. My mother was almost disowned for marrying a white guy. Being a "breed" I probably have a different perspective on racism. It's funny a lot of "breeds" feel like they don't fit in anywhere, while I am the opposite and I tend to fit in EVERYWHERE, but I do recognize racism when I see, I just very rarely make any kind of big deal about it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
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Most people in this country that are OUR age or older can easily spot the kind of racism that should be called out and condemned, I will generally give a pass on the softest forms and chalk them off to ignorance or bad manners, as in the case of my girlfriend (ignorant, but still a sweet woman in all other ways - lol).

 
I've been reading articles lately from Israeli publications about the recent Democratic racist Jew-bashing in the US and how its causing Jews to switch to the Republican Party.  The Orthodox Jews have been migrating to conservatism over the last 20 years and these articles say 90% of Orthodox Jews are now Republicans.  I have a lot of friends (both Jew and non-Jew) who have always voted Democratic (hey, its California, if you want friends, there are going to be some Dem's in the mix - lol) that are appalled by this development in the Democratic Party and are considering switching sides as well.  They find it absolutely reprehensible.  

vorlon 119 Reviews 115 reads
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My understanding of racism is that it is looking down/feeling superior to people of a certain race.  A lack of sexual attraction to women of a certain race is not the same thing at all.

GaGambler 158 reads
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EVERYONE seems to have their own definition.  

 
I will agree that not being sexually attracted to people of a certain race is not necessarily racism. BUT when a provider provides services to HUNDREDS of guys that she is not attracted to,old guys, young guys, fat, old, tall, short, everyone  except for ALL members of a certain race, what else can you call that but racism?

bigguy30 33 reads
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You must be confused with you're own clients.
Since most of them are probably Trump supporters.
Also you are wrong as usual, so stay on topic.

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impposter 49 Reviews 94 reads
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Posted By: coeur-de-lion
I've been reading articles lately from Israeli publications about the recent Democratic racist Jew-bashing in the US and how its causing Jews to switch to the Republican Party.  The Orthodox Jews have been migrating to conservatism over the last 20 years and these articles say 90% of Orthodox Jews are now Republicans.
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is orthodox and unmistakably so (picture Woody Allen rabbi in Annie Hall).  Although socially liberal and "Dem" in many ways through and through, he tells me that he (and others in his community with close ties to Israel ... except not actually living there) are strongly pro-Trump because of the relocation of the US Embassy to Jerusalem, support for Israel retention of the Golan Heights, and similar actions by Trump they deem to be pro-Israel.  I don't know his party affiliation or how he votes on the rest of the ballot, but Trump is his pro-Israel guy. (This guy is not a wealthy PAC-funding guy, just a rank and file working stiff. He isn't an activist in any way that I know about, just strongly opinionated about this single issue, when it comes up.)  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 91 reads
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with single issue voters regardless of what the issue is, but I don't identify with Woody Allen, other than liking Asian girls, but not ones who are underage or I'm related to by marriage.  

vorlon 119 Reviews 148 reads
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Suppose a provider is a member of minority community that is pretty tight-knit; roughly the equivalent of living in a small town where most everyone knows everyone.  She won't see people of that race because she decides there is too great a risk of running into someone who knows her and word would get out about what she is doing.

Suppose a provider has had some really bad experiences with men of a certain race and feels so upset at the idea of seeing more men of that race that she decides not to see men of that race anymore.

What do you call that?  I don't think of that as racism.

impposter 49 Reviews 195 reads
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Posted By: GaGambler
Re: As I said earlier, "defining racism is about as easy as defining GFE"
Vorlon has hit on some previously discussed points. E.g., on the east coast, some K-girls will not see K-guys. Those of us on the outside assume it's because of the small, tight-knit K-communities (K-town in Queens).  To be even more on the "safe" side, they will say No Asian Men. If a screener asks "Are you Korean?" that's a red flag to ask yourself, "Why is she asking? To screen me IN or to screen me OUT?"  So they say no, show up at the door and say that they are Chinese or Japanese.  
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On the what-do-you-call-it side of things, I think that some girls say in their ads "No AA" when they really mean "No thugs" or something like that. Some, but not all, will happily entertain AA "gentlemen" or AA "businessmen" (but not drug dealer thug businessmen).  And they will refuse to meet with white or other guys who come across as thugs in their emails, texts or phone calls.  If you advertise "No thugs," a thug will just disguise his voice and personality. "I beg your pardon! I am most certainly NOT a thug and my driver, Jeeves, would be most happy to vouch for me." If she says "No AA," it may be easier for her to screen or filter a few guys IN rather be overwhelmed having to constantly screen  guys OUT.  
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As we also know from TER discussions, there are even AA Providers who advertise a policy of No AA men.
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Racist? AntiThug-ist? I don't know.

GaGambler 129 reads
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Or Arabs, or insert what ever group of people you want.

 
Why do so many people here twist themselves into a pretzel trying to sugarcoat racism. Racism is NOT the most evil thing in the world, well not until it manifests itself into violence of course, but you guys crack me up trying to act like it doesn't exist in this little hobby of ours.

 
And yes, If a woman has bad experiences with members of a certain race and decides to never see another person of that race, then YES she is now a racist. You can call it "learned racism" as opposed to something she grew up with, but justified in her mind or not, it's still RACISM. There simply is no other word for it.

impposter 49 Reviews 112 reads
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Posted By: GaGambler
You can call it "learned racism" as opposed to something she grew up with, but justified in her mind or not, it's still RACISM. There simply is no other word for it.
You've got to be taught to hate and fear
You've got to be taught from year to year
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught
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You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade
You've got to be carefully taught
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You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are six or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught

vorlon 119 Reviews 178 reads
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And vice-versa.  I would call that racism.  But I think your definition of racism is different from the one I and I suspect most people use.

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