As someone who has known MZ for a good long time and met him many times behind closed doors when I saw his post I was like WTF, this isn't who he is.
I was disappointed and frankly put off by it. But I never doubted is character as a person. It was an out of line post IMO although I'm sure some here will disagree. I'm happy he came here and made his post about how he really feels. One post doesn't define who he is in my book. Steph XOand taken a hard look at the man she might see when you post on the GDB?
I have been a member here for the past 8 or 9 years. In that time, I have tried to be fair and have most often taken the side of providers in the face of derogatory and demeaning posts, outright hateful misogynistic posts and posts intended to simply be mean.
For this, I have been labelled "White Knight", "pussy" and other less pleasant names more times than I can count. There was never much doubt that I tended towards supporting our providers. And I was good with being seen that way.
Recently, I made a post that was so out of character, so abhorrent that I feel I need to say a few things to restore my own integrity as a supporter of our fantastic providers:
1. Providers deserve to perform screening in any way they choose to ensure their own safety and sense of security. They deserve to do this without being assaulted with derogatory remarks about their screening practices. It is simple enough to meet a lady's screening requirements, or politely decline.
2. Providers deserve to set their own rates as they see fit. They deserve to do this without being served demeaning labels like "Golden Pussy Syndrome". Again, it is simple enough to meet a lady's rates, or politely decline to meet.
3. Providers deserve to have their screening needs and rates respected - even when screening tightens a bit and rates rise. Especially in these days of covid when so many, provider and everyone else, may find themselves on the edge of financial ruin. It is unconscionable to me that anyone would try to "slip" screening, haggle rates or in any other way try to take advantage of providers who may be in a precarious situation.
No doubt this post will be met with derision from both sides - clients and providers alike. That's fine with me. I did it to move myself to a place where I felt I was back in integrity with the man I choose to be.
It's a service industry. There is always going to be a competition between buyer and seller.
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“Deserves got nothing to do with it.” -- Clint Eastwood as William Munny.
Personally, I operate my business and what I offer as an entertainment.
My hours, attire, music, etc are all what I choose and I only seldom stray from my own personal preferences. So this seems to be more similar to performance art than a customer service occupation.
Of course I wish everyone to enjoy their experience and will put forth my best effort, but only within the boundaries of what I've found is most comfortable for me. 
But that's just me. Plenty of companions tout their willingness to customize a session for their clients.
That is exactly what the dozens of providers said who responded to a poll on this topic from the old Rougebook.
In other words, I agree with you (though, as a client/customer I’m hardly qualified to say what you consider your work to be), when we pay you or anyone else in the field of sex work (though there are probably exceptions to this somewhere), we are paying for an artistic performance. At least to a certain extent.
I feel like the provider always has the right to put a stop to the appointment with no obligation to return the payment in some cases. Hopefully this is rare. But it does seem to happen.
Given the right to terminate the “performance” without a refund under the right (wrong?) circumstances, it seems to me that what we’re paying for isn’t actually the sexual performance at all. It’s more like we’re paying for a best possible effort. As determined by the performer.
Note: I’m not speaking from personal experience with a session being terminated without a refund. The only session I’ve ever had terminated early was when a provider pulled down my pants she said “Honey, let me give you a blowjob first.” Then, “Honey, I am just too sensitive to take that today. I will give you half your money back. Then please call back in 2 weeks and I promise I’ll make it up to you and make you very happy.”
After giving me half my money back, she gave me detailed instructions on how to call her operator back and what to say so she would know she had to “prepare” herself before the appointment.
That woman fully kept her word and made it up to me beyond any of my expectations.
That said, I have seen more than a few reports on these boards over the years and have also heard directly from a few. So I’m quite certain that the terminated session without a refund certainly does happen sometimes in spite of all that providers and clients try to do to prevent them. Some at the fault of the client. Some at the fault of the provider. And sometimes it’s a bit of both.
What do you think?
Entertainment would be a subcategory of services.
All kidding aside......
Thank you very much for your eloquent post and apology.
Because I've been a fan of yours for a long time, I don't feel one comment is worthy of being drawn and quartered. (and again, that'd cost you extra lmao)
Poor Z is still in the dog house, or should I say in the "hen house"
Your "woke" buddies aren't exactly the forgiving type, but it's nice to see it got you to make an appearance here. Don't worry you don't have to admit that you secretly like me, I wouldn't want you getting "shunned" too.
I think I've made it obvious that I'm not overly concerned about popular opinion, either from clients or my fellow companions. While I can be outspoken, I try to always be respectful, especially of other ladies.
But at the end of the day, I will always judge for myself, rather than going with the crowd.
Zen has been supportive towards many companions here for years, myself included, so I'm not going to let one moment change my opinion of him entirely.
We've all said and done things we've later lived to regret and a little understanding can go a long way.
Zen ALWAYS sides with the providers, no matter whether they are right or wrong. YOU are much more likely to call out bad behavior of your fellow providers than Zen. Calling him out is like calling out fishbro, It's just beyond the pale, kind of like the protestors who are so zealous that even statues of Abraham Lincoln and US Grant aren't safe from them.
Can you honestly believe that women who use the term "Slobbyist" constantly to describe clients they don't like are going to throw one of their biggest supporters under the bus for a one time usage of the term GPS? Yes there are guys who are deserving of the term "Slobbyist" but by the same token there are women most certainly deserving of the term GPS.
I honestly couldn't stop laughing when I saw the attacks against Zen, and even AFTER his kissed ass and apologized they still have vowed "not to forget" only to "try" to get past this. Poor Zen, he completely prostates himself here publicly as the biggest of the BSU's in TER's history by groveling for forgiveness only to be put on "probation" by his overlords, I am still laughing as I type this.
Yes a little understanding does go a long ways, too bad none of the woke hookers he is apologizing to are capable of being so understanding themselves, present company excepted of course. I can't wait to see if they turn on you next for not only accepting Zen's groveling apology, but for consorting with the likes of me on top of it. lol
I think he does and he put some thought into what he wrote here and on Twitter. I made my thoughts on what I think of him as a person known on Twitter even if it went against the grain with some.
I think he would have apologized anyway. Maybe I have my rose colored sunglasses on but it's what I believe.
Steph XO
Good to see you stand your ground, as always.
publicly support him on Twitter where he has been tarred and feathered. Your support of him would go much further there than here where he hasn't received any such unsavory responses. Anything short of doing this would just be you blowing hot air here.
Huh.
I have been using twitter as little as possible the last 4 mns because people have gone nuts.
I shall go look at his twitter and see what the fuss is about.
Zen isn't known to be a jerk, so likely people are going BSC over nothing.
I can understand those "woke hookers" going nuts over something I might say, but Z is known as one of the biggest suck ups EVER to have graced this board where it comes to ALWAYS taking the hooker side of an issue, no matter how clear the evidence is against her. As a matter of fact I am pretty sure I had him in mind when I coined the term "BSU", but "one little slip of the keyboard" and there he is, in mangina purgartory. The assholes like me are laughing our asses off at the predicament he has gotten himself into and the woke hooker crowd aren't having anything to do with his apology. So now everyone either hates him or is laughing at him, you, Steph and Debra aside of course, but what the fuck do you know. You are still here on TER so you too have probably been kicked out of the club along with him. lol
I "almost" feel sorry for him, but I just can't bring myself to keep from ROFL at the irony of the situation. Poor Zen spent over a decade defending these MHB's no matter how much they were in the wrong, he let's the truth slip out ONCE, and he's shunned for life. Every time I think about it I start laughing all over again.
As someone who has known MZ for a good long time and met him many times behind closed doors when I saw his post I was like WTF, this isn't who he is.
I was disappointed and frankly put off by it. But I never doubted is character as a person. It was an out of line post IMO although I'm sure some here will disagree. I'm happy he came here and made his post about how he really feels.
One post doesn't define who he is in my book.
Steph XO
I just break down and have a good cry and complain to one of my high margin customers.
lol
It's a business. The good far outweighs the bad Mr Zen
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Even after your heartfelt apology, you're still getting ripped to shreds and roasted over on twitter.
But I do take a hard look at what kind of a man *I* would see if I looked at my posts here, and on other public forums. Because I’m the one who ultimately has to live with my actions.
However... I did literally put my shoes into those of a provider, once. It was a role play with one of my fav providers, where I was the escort and she was my client. She played her part to the hilt and it was a lot of fun.
The only time I came close to the idea of being a provider, is when my ATF told me I could very well fetch 500 an hour as a provider 
But yes, a little kindness and respect go a long way!! Especially in this business where they are scarcer...
Of course I didn't say it was 500 "Dollars" I recieved, it was in Costa Rica and I received 500 CRC for my services, but getting paid is getting paid even if 500 Colones is only about a buck in US Dollars.
Just last week, I was seeing a Kgirl at her incall, and she told me the DATY was so good, I could just pay the "house fee", nothing for her. A $400 savings on 2 hours). So I said, "What? No tip?" She went into her closet and got $5 for my tip, apologizing that that was all she had besides $100's. I just stood there with my hand out. She went BACK onto the closet and came out with a $100 and put it in my hand. Then as I was leaving, she said, "You're taking me out to dinner Saturday night. The hundred is for the wine." Lol
She should know better than anyone else what men are willing to pay you for whatever it is you do. LOL
Please say 10 Hail Mary's and 15 Our Father's. Report back and let us know when you have completed this task. Maybe, just maybe the TER MILFs will forgive you of your transgressions. At least the ones over 45 and/or that you have seen before will. Rest assured the ones that you repeat with that you know are not that hot but still give 10/9's when you periodically see them will still see you. So you are not completely screwed. Unfortunately, there is nothing that we can do to help you with the young, really hot ones on Twitter --- you are forever prohibited from seeing those hotties. At least until you get a new handle. Having said all that generally the best thing that you can do in these sorts of situations is to have the post removed which it appears that you did because I don't know what the hell you are talking about and STFU. Before this post just the ladies that don't like misogynists didn't want to see you whereas now because of this post the population has just increased given that your post is a little douchey. Phew. Should have just kept quiet for a few days and let it pass.
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only a pussy white knight would post this drivel.
Cancel culture has been going on for years now. Apologizing for something only redoubles the attacks. Show me a counter-example.
No kidding. MasterZen is now WhiteBeltZen. With the exception of the newbie board, his posts should be moderated. Also, he should probably consult with Debra prior to posting on the newbie board.
any women who has to see, let alone do the nasty, with this ugly 60 plus year old body deserves a medal, trophy, and more money that i could ever earn..
Now I did it, I will have scared em all away.
Looks shouldn't be a true concern to the companions. Hygiene? Yes, and BO or profuse sweating can be an issue with very large people BUT there are ways to deal with it. Certain positions or angles might not be comfortable, or even possible, depending on the proportions of the individuals involved but again, none of this is really important as long as the gentleman is just that: a gentleman. (which you know you are)
Because I don't care how pretty the package is, if he's obnoxious and unpleasant, he's ugly to me.
Those who are considerate and respectful? Hubba hubba hubba!
Welcome back,Deb. You have been missed.
Professionals do not worry too much about physical looks. That's why God invented doggy-style.
A little of both is always nice
These Boots are made for Walking..
.and other fun things Too!
Wink
And I agree providers have every right to screen how they wish to. They have the right to as any info they wish for and have a client jump through hoops and have what ever requirement client must meet to see her/him. I even begged providers to screen. I know too many ladies who have gotten hurt for not properly doing so. I also agree a provider has the right charge whatever she sees fit. And She/he has the right to only offer the menu options she/he wishes to offer. Her/his body her/his rules. These rules should be respected.
But at the same time a client has the right to only provide the info he/she feels is safe to provide. A client should only jump through hoops he/she comfortable and is willing to do. A client should only meet the requirements the client is comfortable with. Clients have been destroyed for giving out too much info to the wrong provider. A client has the right to set his/her budget and stick to said budget. And a client has the right to only hire providers offering the menu he/she is desiring. his/her money and body his/her rules. These rules should also be respected. They are no less nor more important than the providers rules.
So if providers and the clients rules don't match both parties should respect where the other is coming from, and move on. Not every client is for every provider and not every provider is for every client. This is a good and natural thing. No one is wrong for having their rules and sticking to them.
The problem is I seen so many in the game belittle other people rule. Both sides of the coin. I have seen so many here belittle others for having different rules. I have seen so called providers out mongers over board posts. I seen wanna be clients harass and stalk providers who refused to see them for whatever reason. People really should just show some respect for other peoples rules. But this is TER and everyone enjoys an occasional train wreck.
And I have been called lots worse them "pussy" and "white knight". Hell I gladly own the title "King of the Manginas". Embrace the things.
Now can anyone point out where I can find this post the local white knight, MasterZen, that apparently upset the MHB crowd, and MasterZen is so apolitical over? Sounds like a fun read.
I don’t want to know but seeing you in here for so many years i don’t really need to.
Not sure what was said, but everybody says stupid shit sometimes. Lol
PS my bomb ass pussy is gold af lmao 🌈🤑
I pretty much see only kgirls, and they are troopers. I wish there was a reverse feedback way for them to give me feedback on what I can improve, as well if they can read my feedback. I always tell them via translator to tell me, but I think they're a bit scared to say something is not to their liking.
I know I wouldn't be able to do job they're doing. I'd probably be going insane at some point given their volume. And I'm a sex addict. Doing it 10+ times a day is a bit extreme even for me. Maybe when I was in my 20s.
That isn't to say I would cut them too much slack for bad performance in reviews, but it's understandable in many cases.
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For one thing my feet would not fit! But if you mean would I sell my body for hundreds of dollars per hour?
Oh Hell Yeah!!!!
retain the ownership interest yourself and just rent your body out the way providers do. That's why I only rent providers, because I don't want to be stuck with the maintenance costs. Its better if she spreads the costs over all of her renters.
If it flies, floats, or fucks . . . 🤪
That phrase "sell her body" is a viciously crafted lie, useful only to sanctimonious sex-haters and their dupes, including their hideously warped feminazi daughters. Please don't use it or pass it on.
Others have said this more gently and humorously. I'm giving it to you straight just in case.