with last part of #3!
I see it on a few sites, with what is being posted there!
Wondering why 60 minutes or Dateline has never "exposed" how easy it is to get a provider and how they are all reviewed online. Sure there are many stories that pander to people's stereotypes of how the hobby works, i.e. seedy johns and trafficked/underage providers. My guess is it has to do with one of these reasons:
1) Media is controlled by the patriarchy who do not want such a story to be shown as they will be exposed in the process.
2) People won't find it interesting. They want to soak in the Hollywood stereotypes instead of boring point and click paid sex.
3) They do not know it exists so can't expose it . Seems hard to believe, but maybe true given how many clueless folks post on this board asking how this all works..
I'm not doing your homework for you but I'm pretty sure a google search will turn up several stories on aspects of this life.
Just google "real lives of prostitutes" to start. Not always the "real" story you think they should run. but it's been done. I recall watching an expose on Seeking several years ago as well.
It's not that interesting to the average family audience in a fly-over state. If "real" stories of the hobby were interesting to the American viewing audience TV shows like American Gigolos and The Girlfriend Experience would have caught on. Puritans don't want to know what they're missing.
Maybe the higher ups dont want it exposed because them wealthy folks are participating? or they religious folks and dont want this as free advertisement to sin?
If there is such a movie I'll make sure my wife is shopping at Macy's when it's scheduled.
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I think in general reporting on the world's oldest profession is mostly seen as rather boring from a news or policy perspective.
But why would you want a lot of spot lights getting shined on to what I think most here think of a private choices between consenting adults? Maybe it's part of the reality show mind set age or some of the social world my life on display some have explored.
Personally I think it would be generally unproductive, as noted already is a "been there done that" situations anyhow, and given it has been done but goes largely forgotten (or passes completely under most peoples radar) in a very short period of time why make the effort to try again?
Agree that it would be unproductive.
https://utopiaguide.pl/forums/index.php?threads/new-yorks-no-1-escort-arrested-after-gloating-on-television.23112/
Nobody in their right mind would want mainstream attention focused on this peculiar interest we have, and I wound avoid anyone who did
with last part of #3!
I see it on a few sites, with what is being posted there!
would I want how this world works detailed on a major network. Who would want that?
Many media moguls are customers and every once in a while, once gets exposed and has to resign, so why would these guys want to out the business and give it more press?
Or did you just pull another one out of your ass?
The only media mogul who's gotten in trouble for sex is Harvey Weinstein. And it wasn't with hookers.
I'm not saying no media mogul ever has fucked a hooker but I can't recall any story about it for years.
They do a great job of using their power and influence to keep their extra-curricular sexual activities under wraps. If you were in LA you would know more about this. It's not big news in rural America. It's seems like you want me to find a link to a story about why there are no stories. Really? Lol
Do you realize you just said you don't really know if your assertion is correct because actual media moguls use "their power and influence" to keep such things "under wraps?" CDL runs up the White Flag again.
Oh, and what makes you think one needs to live in LA to know anything about media moguls? I knew lots of media moguls personally. They were in NY, Philly and Atlanta. It was only their minions who lived in LA.
It's charming how provincial you can be sometimes. But I have never worked in "rural America."
In other words, there isn't a single thing in your response that's correct.
and do a lot of my work in LA. It's where Hollywood is and ground zero for the movie industry. Movies are also a form of media. You do know that, right? What makes you think I don't have connections to media? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. I know you watch TCM out of Atlanta, but it's because you probably went to school with some of the deceased actors in those movies. Say Hi to Ted for me. Lol
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We all know you claim to be from the LA area, so obviously you were talking about Hollywood. Where did I suggest you weren't? Or that movies aren't a form of media? You are apparently so desperate to win a point you'll bend any meaning and fracture rational thought. And you STILL haven't actually rebutted my original point. I suppose you know that, which is why you changed the subject. I guess you're unaware that most Hollywood studios are part of vast media conglomerates, most of which are NOT headquartered in LA. In fact, of the top 15 media companies only ONE (Disney) is based in the LA area. The rest of Hollywood studios report to parent companies in other cities, mostly NY. See below and educate yourself.
Oh, and I almost never watch TCM so you're still batting FAR below the Mendoza Line.
I have met Ted a few times, back when he was still with Jane.
And thanks for clarifying how little you know about the media industry.
Keep digging! You should be to Beijing soon. Enjoy being locked in an apartment.
an argument, your subsequent posts keep getting longer? This is what they refer to as a "tell". As you can see, mine are mostly the same because when you are winning the point, you don't need to be verbose.
"I have met Ted a few times, back when he was still with Jane." Bwahahahaha You are hilarious.
It seems you have construed my prior comments to mean only the guys at the very top of the pyramid in media orgs. FYI, there are guys with the power to suppress what goes out at all levels of management in media companies. It appears you did not know THIS.
Not to mention your calling anyone else "verbose" is a classic pot=kettle=black moment.
Oh, and I'm sorry you're jealous I met Ted. He's hilarious. You might try it.
As for your last two lines of babble, all you've proven is you have a serious reading comprehension problem
Please seek help. Oh, and this reply was shorter than your last one, so.......
The media moguls should be customers MORE often and not sexually harass or prey upon their underlings and subordinates. Harvey Weinstein, Bill O'Reilly, Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, ... .
Many media moguls are customers and every once in a while, once gets exposed and has to resign, so why would these guys want to out the business and give it more press?
....never watched it but I think will now. Actually have dropped swimmers in two of the gals involved. One of our locals was featured and it bit her in the ass if I recall. I think it caused a little drama for more than one of them and didn't reap the rewards they had wished for.
That's wild. I used to pen pal with Norma Jean Almodovar when she was in a California prison for pandering.
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And I did see Hilary Holiday here in Minneapolis about three years ago.
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Small world.
for money a very dirty thing one needs to be ashаmed of.
I really don't know why (but have few postulates) , and in many western countries especially in Europe this notion isn't really as supported. People in Netherlands and Germany seem to be more OK with regular people having a relaxing night with a sex worker.
But here, if you pay for sex, people look at you different. If you pay for sex and aren't really old, you must be a loser or have some underlying problems. Whereas, paying for sex (via proxy of material gifts) with non-sex workers is perfectly fine.
The funniest thing is when bunch of wealthy, powerful or good-looking men get busted for p4p, this "loser" narrative is somehow ignored. Because most people won't dare to call Jerry Jones or Bob Krаft or Ronaldo (the original Ronaldo) "losers".
Anyway, media is never interested in showing it from the monger side, because that would kinda break the myth that we're reptilians on the hunt for trаfficd women. If people see that many regular people just like them - with careers, sometimes families, ambitions, etc - indulge in hobbying, then they could relate to them...that's dangerous in a society that looks down on paying for sex.
Media isn't even interested in showing it from a provider's "strong woman" side, with a few exceptions. They want to keep strictly the scandalous angle, and portray one side as еvil/loser and another as v1ctim.
Rocket Strikes again with an excellent, thoughtful post.
Even in today's free-wheeling hookup culture, celebrities posting sex tapes, Jerry Springer, Elon Musk impregnating his employees, Hershel Walker with a slew of out-of-wedlock abortions, a former "Yacht Girl" marrying into the British Royal Family, etc.
Americans are a prudish lot. The narrative goes beyond loserdom; a plain-looking divorced/abandoned middle-aged woman with no education, skills or money, selling sex to a slightly less broke "Joe Schmoe" is "exploitation".
Back in the day, any American City of any size had a "pleasure district" modeled after Northern European cities. This kept the vice contained and controlled .. those who can actually rent a DVD can watch "Pretty Baby" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Baby_(1978_film )) .. I'm old enough to remember old salts waxing nostalgically about shore leave in New Orleans, Shanghai, Antwerp, etc.
Even as a young'un, there were "wide-open" parts of town where well-paid auto workers with a fist full of dollars and a set of swollen balls could rid themselves of both ..
One of my fondest memories was seeing the then-unknown Cheap Trick play at a bowling alley in Rockford, IL, then getting a rub-n-tug from a fat white chick afterwards. Apparently, I was a little too explicit with the cutie they first sent me, this was a way of reminding me to behave like a gentleman .. a lesson I've taken to heart.
It's taken 50 plus years to de-stigmatize gay sex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society), 50+ years to legalize weed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_the_Reform_of_Marijuana_Laws) , Casino gambling, etc.
What do these all have in common? Money, of course .. when cash-strapped local governments realized there was money to be made from folks with quirky vices, but with loads of disposable income buy up, then fix up their crime-ridden run-down central cities, without G-d raining down fire and brimstone.
The other part is race & class. When white, moneyed college-educated middle class men wanted to smoke weed and do molly in the clubs, then hook up with other men in the head, it happened. Look at Colorado.
It will probably take the last "get off my lawn" baby boomer being lowered into the ground or put into the crematorium before things change (2050?) .. as America's demographics will then be changed, and in "superstar cities", vastly changed, coupled with "superstar cities" increasingly willing to tell the Federal and State Goverments to get bent with their "Blue Laws" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law)
But, there's early signs of Slouching Towards Bethlehem. I've had young un's at work confide in picking up a hot girl in SF's Marina bars, walking out thinking they've won the lottery, then having her point out an ATM. The poor corn-fed simps go "What?", only to be told that it's going to take crossing her palm with silver if he wants to go upstairs..
for money a very dirty thing one needs to be ashаmed of.
I really don't know why (but have few postulates) , and in many western countries especially in Europe this notion isn't really as supported. People in Netherlands and Germany seem to be more OK with regular people having a relaxing night with a sex worker.
But here, if you pay for sex, people look at you different. If you pay for sex and aren't really old, you must be a loser or have some underlying problems. Whereas, paying for sex (via proxy of material gifts) with non-sex workers is perfectly fine.
The funniest thing is when bunch of wealthy, powerful or good-looking men get busted for p4p, this "loser" narrative is somehow ignored. Because most people won't dare to call Jerry Jones or Bob Krаft or Ronaldo (the original Ronaldo) "losers".
Anyway, media is never interested in showing it from the monger side, because that would kinda break the myth that we're reptilians on the hunt for trаfficd women. If people see that many regular people just like them - with careers, sometimes families, ambitions, etc - indulge in hobbying, then they could relate to them...that's dangerous in a society that looks down on paying for sex.
Media isn't even interested in showing it from a provider's "strong woman" side, with a few exceptions. They want to keep strictly the scandalous angle, and portray one side as еvil/loser and another as v1ctim.
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Well said, my friend. As usual, very eloquent and also a lot of historically relevant and interesting references.
"Prude" was the word I was looking for, yeah. I think the hypocrisy of being a prude is a bit too much in America. The same people who shake their heads and condemn fellow mongers when hearing about some bust in public, themselves engage in same behavior behind closed doors.
I mean, I don't advocate cheating, but the drive to have sex with different women is firmly instilled in men, I believe. Mongering is zero strings attached sex with a willing partner. Hooker is the world's oldest profession for a reason.
And the thing is, this hobby made it so us who don't want to work hard for it have instant gratification as long as we worked hard elsewhere. And I'll argue that even the best playas can't get the same quantity (and many times quality) of sex via game alone as someone who pays for 5 hours a day with five different women. Lol.
Women have always been the loudest voices for the criminalization of prostitution. It's plain old anti-competition. Men are/were providers, bringing home the bacon. Wives didn't want any of that money making a detour.
Interesting take .. "reformers" took on "vice" seriously after women got the vote in 1920.
There were still "dry" towns and counties -- even in the Chicago metro area, as recently at the 1980's ..
Of course, Cicero, IL in the west -- the home of the real-life Al Capone and the fictional "Slippin' Jimmy" McGill still rocked well into the 1990's.
The real driver of shutting down Red Light Districts was the Military -- when the US entered WWI .. more soldiers were out of action due to STD's than combat.
Lucky for lads with game (Think of the Jazz Age), they could now get it for free. Between latex condoms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsphenamine , Syphilis was no longer a death sentence .. much like Gardasil and PrEP fuels our current untrammeled fun.
On a side note, (and as the RocketMan noted in another post) the recent wave of tech layoffs means a lot of unemployed graphic artists and tech writers will be looking to make their $4,000+ month rents. We'll see how that unfolds.
BTW, why does this board strip out paragraph breaks when you quote a message? I'm looking at my last post, and it was squished into a dense block of text, sorry.