Last week in Utah, a provider outed her client, a state legislator.

Or is that the deacon's rule?

I am usually in the camp that unless a client commits a crime against the woman that outing should never happen, but I am having a hard time sticking to my guns on this one. This POS reminds me of Elliot Spitzer and at least Spitzer used his own money.  

Neither did NY Gov. Elliott Spitzer.  The rules against outing don't apply to people like this.

If you are purposely and actively attempting to make my working conditions unsafe and dangerous, and criminalizing a private agreement between consenting adults, you get no sympathy from me.

In front of a bullet for family or close friends, but falling on a grenade like she did for the public in general is just plain stupid, IMO.  She is finished as a provider.   There are ways of handling things like this without ruining yourself in the process.  My only opinion of this is that she is a dumb shit.  

where they get the money.  She chose to see him, then out him over politics.  That's fucked up.  The end.

I totally agree.

he should not have been outed.

That hypocrite deserved exactly what he got.

Outting someone is NOT something to be taken lightly. Granted, the guy was a piece of shit, but outting someone could quickly be abused like the National Blacklist. I can see providers outting clients because she thinks he voted for Trump or he reminded her of her ex. It's a slippery slope.

People in postions of power who then abuse that power, such as hypocrite lawmakers and dirty cops, deserve NO consideration what so ever.

I didn't answer this question lightly, but I finally decided that she should get the "Elliot Spitzer exemption"

Says he's against the very thing he does. Typical politician talking from both sides. Now he can use all his Tax Paid Salary to play with hookers. What else is new?

after the fact.  She should have declined the date for a conflict of interest.  Smells of blackmail and bribery to not keep his secret safe with her.

What the hooker in this case did was NOT the same as a regular cop, attorney, preacher, etc. did when he sees a hooker. In this case he also has been actively trying to pass laws to go after people EXACTLY LIKE HIM.  I say if you go that BIG extra step you give up any right to privacy about your whore-mongering.

Nothing in my posts suggests I do. Also, your comparison of this incident with the National Blacklist fails.  This was MUCH worse than putting someone on the NBL, which is actually much less of a big deal than people think.
PS: The NBL has been shot down for months, pending a rebuild and says when it returns it will no longer let just anyone post an entry.

...as to what prompted her to out him.  Being a victim of false allegations myself, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I read how he reacted, which was guilty as charged. He was not only an ass for trying to legislate morality, but a stupid ass for leaving proof of his hypocrisy. It just goes to prove, you don't need to be intelligent to get elected.

Hey this is a good article. I am just wondering since he would be breaking the law would it be a good move for her to distance himself from him.

......... the people he frequents.  Politicians are the most susceptible to blackmail.  Who knows who the two faced bastard was answering to.  
Glad he was outed. took a lot of guts for the woman to do the right thing.  

First, I haven't found or read the news account. GaG: He was paying with public money? How did he do that? EDIT: Never mind. Found it. Anal, too! Sodom and Gomorrah! Mormons do that?
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But I also choose to construe his deliberate, positive actions to cause CRIMINAL harm as an out-able offense. He didn't short the envelope (not out-able); he didn't overstay (not out-able); he didn't NCNS (not out-able); etc.. To that extent, I disagree with Melissa: a cheating husband (not out-able); a hypocrite preacher (not out-able); etc.. They may be cheating but THEY are not threatening her livelihood and her life by their actions outside of the room.  
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THIS GUY IS TAKING ACTION TO PUT HER IN JAIL AND RUIN HER LIFE WITH A PERMANENT CRIMINAL RECORD AND IT AFFECTS EVERYONE ELSE DOING SUCH BUSINESS IN THAT STATE.  So, back at you, Asshole.
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But I also imagine another course of action: Ask to provide public comment / testimony before the legislature and expose this guy as being a fully qualified john to explain to his colleagues just how harmful it was to enjoy an hour pleasure with an attractive consenting adult companion.  Will his legislative colleagues impeach him or censure him?  Not likely!  I'll bet that several more are playing around in that area!  
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I see Spitzer differently.  As Attorney General, he could have chosen to subordinate prostitution cases (there is plenty of OTHER big time shit going on in NY!), but he did pursue and prosecute them. (But he also nailed a lot of mother fucking White Collar Financial Criminals.)  When he was caught as Governor, he folded like a cheap suit; he resigned and didn't contest anything.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal  
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He did manage to avoid being charged with transporting gulls across staid lions for immoral porpoises (he requested and paid the expenses for someone from NY to come down and visit with in DC).  http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6672728
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A reminder: the whole thing was triggered by FINANCIAL transactions. Spitzer was moving thousands of dollars between accounts and taking out cash. There were the usual suspicions of wrong-doing: terrorism, bribery, politician being blackmailed, etc..  IF "THIS" WAS LEGAL, all these philandering politicians could just pay for play and go about their business without the legal scandals. (Divorce and acrimony is a separate issue.)
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Spitzer is one guy who has the legal savvy and the money and the know-how and the connections to have challenged the prostitution laws in NY or DC and did not.  I think there is still a chance that he might do it. He is only 58 and probably still horny enough.  Come on, Elliot! Take it on!  

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I say that he WAS being abusive and putting her in danger. He was abusing the power of his position -- not a gun, not a knife -- to INCREASE the dangers she experiences every working day. She is supporting a child and his actions might actually cause her to lose that child. He might cause her to lose other important contacts in the community: a regular job, her FREEDOM (cf., prison), and so on.  
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He IS dangerous to her and to all other providers in Utah.

To your posting a photo that was not of an insanely hot chick. I will try to make up for it, but please promise never to do this again.

It’s a dangerous move for the lady as the Mormon church has long documented duplicity as well as violent methods of retribution. As a provider, I’ve enjoyed the company of many high profile clients and will die with their secret. I myself have been outed by a scorned wife, and I can assure you, it’s the absolute worst.  
**only God can judge, and as he is a man of the lord I’d just wait for his personal karma.  

happened.  What do you think the odds are that he will ask for another appointment with her?  Lol

...but, as a conciliatory gesture, here is your hottie.

.....to gain someones trust enough to obtain any personal info on them whether freely given or gleaned in some other fashion from or through a personal relationship with them and then divulge that information solely in an effort to cause harm..........2 wrongs never have and never will make a right.
Who has the right to become the decider in cases like this......hypocrite no doubt he is, but who among us here is not in some fashion, with maybe the exception of GaGa who has made it very clear he has nothing to lose and doesn't give a rat's ass, maybe.  How many who feel this is  right have jumped on the bandwagon with the oft repeated threads about disclosing personal info, more than maybe a few before this thread goes to the archives I'm sure??????

Everyone is a hypocrite in someone's eyes. Outing in the hobbying world over politics is just plain wrong.

And that arsehole ,immoral ,hypocrite politician is making life worse for the women and men that he is one of.  Politics by it's nature corrupts all of them in some manner but the only way that the residents of a country can have any confidence is by removing the duplicitous bastards as they are caught. And if nobody speaks up, they are not caught.  
I said previously that politicians with secrets like this are the most susceptible to black mail. And that is very dangerous for the residents of a country.
And at the least the prick was probably making worse laws to solve his guilt problem. Just to misdirect attention away from his actions. A real fuck you to the sex workers ! That in itself is reason to remove him.

....about corruption and politicians and their inherent dangers to those they allegedly represent.....power corrupts absolute power absolutely corrupts..  If he had been discovered otherwise, I would have been in line to applaud his well deserved just desserts.  However, I personally view MY responsibility with others info as sacrosanct .....small minded I am maybe, but my principles are what I live by without them I have not much substance....there are those of us who have principles and those of us who can afford them, I have always been one of the former never the latter yet I do exercise them, just who I am or  really more of what I am.  Oh, and before the balance of the peanuts gallery chimes in just because some may not feel the same way does not mean I find them unprincipled, just different principles other than the ones I live by.
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I REALLY want to feel the way that you do about this, and I also agree with what Drew said on the subject, but I just find this mother fucker so fucking vile I just can't bring myself to feel bad for him or to condemn the woman who outed him.

And Southern Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.

Don’t you know, GaGa? “We all got it commin”

I agree that he deserves what ever happens to him.... I just don't know who has the right to bring his issues public.... his wife? I imagine so, that relationship should be built on trust.  His provider?..... I would say no, that relationship is also built on trust, although it is different than a spouse.  Me?  Certainly not, I subscribe to the theory of letting the innocent cast the first stone.

Dude! Read and understand before you try to respond.

...give a provider your real ID. That's lesson one.

I pay to have a great time, then have someone forget me when I’m gone. Refuse his service if you don’t want to see him.

and have expressed the same conflicted reactions I had. So since I'm tired and need to get to bed, thanks for writing it out so well so I don't have to!

Never.  Even if the client is a giant ass hole like never seen or experienced before you walk away.  I have never outed a client and never will.  I have always said providers are half hookers, half shrinks.  We are trusted with our bodies and also with things that are discussed. Coming to us should have the same amount of trust as going to a priest, but we are much more fun!!  

I most certainly disagree.

... providers.  I'm sure something about me is going to piss a few of them off.  

If you were my 'priest', I would have seen you everyday and twice on Sunday.

I treat his views politically.  I would exercise my right to vote against his propositions for harsher laws.  I would vote against him if he decided to run for governor or God help us... the President of the United States.

On one side I think he got what he deserves. You can’t go around actively trying to pass laws against the women that you’re fucking at night.

Your entire post is a fine example of your lack of reading comprehension.  Try K-Y.

You're really not up to joining Jake's Stalker Club, scooter.  Were you born without game or was it surgically removed?

Hah, the mongers say no, no, no... Because they're scared that they'll get outed because of their duplicitous lives. The sex workers say no, no, no.........   so they don't look like they will out the mongers because of their duplicitous lives.

She should be identified and outed herself!  At least let us know who the sanctimonious, judgemental bitch is so we can protect ourselves against this nut-job!

I’ve struggled with this one.  I do not think he should have been outed but I definitely understand the sentiment behind supporting it.  We need to decriminalize what consenting adults do in the bedroom and focus on obvious crimes like human trafficking, sexual slavery, child pornography etc.   This guy was either a hypocrite or truly conflicted.  He might be trying to purge his guilt by supporting stricter laws curtailing this activity, who knows.  

is definitely off my list.

I don't know why anyone thinks a politician in Mormon country can possibly openly support anything his constituents are against, including other elected officials in his party, regardless of what he, or they think personally. Even if he wanted to change the laws, he was elected to do what the electorate wanted, not what he wants. To some degree, we are all guilty of having to uphold a public persona and keep our illegal vises to ourselves. A married man who sees prostitutes is not openly telling people in his circles that he wants the legalization of prostitution anymore than an elected politician, who is also most likely married with children is going to take up that cause publically. Why would he? Unless the public wanted that, why would he? Not unless there was a movement to legalize prostitution supported by the voting public, putting pressure on lawmakers in their state to change policy.

Perhaps the Utah state legislature should require her to wear A Scarlet Letter.

Didn't you read that the provider was interviewed?  
I read a couple of the articles. She spoke up out of principle.
She didn't hide, she came out and spoke out.  
She took responsibility for herself.

and the women here make their living by enabling them. How do you really expect a "moral conversation" with people who make lying and cheating a way of life?

Agreed!!! But She's a bitch!! This is the reason why it's so damn hard to screen/verify clients these days cause incidents like this!! Situations like this makes this line of work harder & harder!! No one wants to give "real info" to  verify. What men do is on their free time is their perogative ...   If it was the other way around and a girl got outted-Oh Lordy all hell would break loose!! I know I want discretion regarding my private info/life so give the same respect to the gents!!  

For those who didn’t track down the article, I’ll add:

Having read and pondered everyone’s thoughts (thank you all), here’s where I am at the moment, as if anyone cares:

Our hobby is illegal because of hypocrites like this outed politician. Remember, he wants you, me, and everybody in this discussion thread in prison. That's the specific principle that he stands for, and you take his side anyway, probably out of blind party loyalty.

Do any of you think that someone who speaks out against murder, but then in an act of passion murders someone, should be called a hypocrite until he switches positions and starts favoring murder?

I am from a very religious background. I went to church my whole life. It's how it was. To have your business put out like that would be terrible, for anyone. Are there hypocrites in this business? Of course!! I think many of you guys would be amazed to know of the many police men that are hobbyists!!! Let's not forget Kathy Willets and her longtime regular that was all about cleaning up the city, getting rid of strip clubs and all about family unity lol! Even televangelists have been busted repeatedly for not just visiting strip clubs but Jimmy Swaggart was messing with street walkers!!  

...I'm kind of thinking this leaking/outing of that guy was to boost her profile in a way.

Same working name, different woman.

...I didn't pull what I said out of my ass.
Amateur porn stuff.
Most are still up but her twitter.
 I knew her from another board and saw it all before you call yourself correcting somebody.
Most of her links are still up.

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and when I Googled her, there were all sorts of pics that looked nothing like her.  

I don't follow porn per se but again I know of her from other boards and her links were not hard to find.  When her twitter was up all of her links were there.  There is another Brie Taylor who does porn but we're talking about 2 different people and not the Brie Taylor I assume you found who still has a live Twitter.  The one who outted that Utah politician has plenty of amateur porn and again all of her stuff is still up but her Twitter. You don't need to take my word for it when her amateur porn links are still live.

And in most places, doing porn is LEGAL sex work. Or it can be worked around legally. Film private vids at your home in Utah; post finished, edited product out of a legal jurisdiction.  
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But I wouldn't be surprised if the legislators have their own private stash of porn tapes and DVDs and passed a law criminalizing possession. (Didn't I read somewhere that Utah is the largest per capita consumer of porn?)

...yeah at one point it ranked #1 for the most adult entertainment subscriptions.

Its  like fatal Attractions..that sucks..Girls just want to have fun 🤹‍♀️and money💲💲💲💲💲🍅

If a provider found your social pages - decided she didn't like your political views or that you were "a piece of shit" for any reason she chose and outed you because you were "a piece of shit"...  

Jake, while we appreciate the photo, and its quite nice, the Senator has just thrown down a Full House to your pair of queens.

I have to agree---WOW!! (Man if that beautiful woman in the Senator's photo is an actual provider I'm travelling to wherever she is to make a date---I don't care if she's in Iceland---STUNNING!!)

I was merely teasing him, not trying to supplant him.  But tell me, does this make you and erotic spirit “a pair of queens?” LOL

I found a bunch of porn for a different Brie Taylor and erroneously assumed ALL the porn belonged to the other Brie Taylor.  

I don't know of this other Brie Taylor who still has a Twitter up tho. Only the one whose Twitter was taken down that has all the amateur porn that's from Utah who is the subject who outted the Utah politician (me talking about a diff one in the first place would make no sense).  
I don't "follow" Twitter like that either. Again I know of her from 2 other boards that are popular for Utah (and other midwest/west coast areas).
And since that Brie Taylor's amateur porn is still live and kicking after this scandal is why I think she might have been looking for a profile boost.  She already is capitalizing.
The timing out of the outting is why. I don't think she did was for noble reasons at all (even tho he's a hypocritical douche). I'm not a fan of outting even if the person is a giant sack of garbage.

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How do/did you feel about Elliot Spitzer being outed?

I am a believer in outing clients to other providers via PM if:

Copying and pasting for your convenience (there you go):
I'm not a fan of outting even if the person is a giant sack of garbage.

While it is unarguably against integrity to out people in this industry, there is a sense of obligation to stand up to unethical behavior. She felt her culture was threatened by his actions and did something about it.

Eliot Spitzer wasn't outed by an escort.  His bank reported him for suspicious transactions.  Which started an undercover investigation of his activities including a wire tap.  Ashley Dupre was granted immunity to testify against Emporors Club VIP which was shut down after the Spitzer scandal.  There were some arrests but I can't find anything online about the disposition of their cases.

If you can get me a date with that smokin hot chick in the Senator's photo you can call me any damn name you like LOL!!

They are as dangerous as she is.

This position is the ultimate expression of entitlement and disregard for mutual anonymity and respect...

What a ridiculous position...

I still don't feel even the slightest bit of sympathy for the piece of shit politician she outed, BUT after further reflection and reading some of the very valid points on both sides of the argument, I have to say those of you condemning her have won me over.

I also think this guy in Utah is a POS but... I hate the precedent that this sets...
Hobbiest sees Provider
Provider finds out Hobbiest IRL identity
Provider makes the subjective determination that the Hobiest is unethical
Provider "outs" Hobiest (no problem because Hobiest is unethical right)
Now replace Hobbiest with Provider and Provider with Hobbiest above and repeat - just as bad...
Maybe the provider had a boyfriend that doesn't know she's a part time provider or maybe the Hobbiest is married and his wife doesn't know - very unethical in some peoples opinion
See what a slippery slope this is GrandPa - will you do me a favour and write a "Providers hypocritical oath"?
That would be just super SenPai...

This is an easy call.  Get the flag out.  It's not about hypocrisy.  It's about legislative hypocrisy.  As a number of posters have said, this guy is trying to put her in jail as well as all of us Johns.  It's time this stopped.  It's time that providers were granted legal status in a country that likes to think we have freedom of expression and the pursuit of happiness.  It's time to stop wasting taxpayers' hard earned dollars on enforcement and court time for nothing more than sharing emotional and physical passions.  What two people do in the public or behind closed doors should be up to those two people.  Legalizing this profession would make it safer for all.  I hope other providers drop the flag on more of these sanctimonious Puritanical legislator hypocrites.  Perhaps weeding them out would also weed out some of their other tainted hypocritical political views.  The other hypocrites (i.e. priests) can just go to hell.

There's a certain level of trust when seeing a provider and only certain instances deserve outings like rape and violence. I think it's BS that she outed her client because he was a politician who thinks prostitution should be illegal which was different from her political views. I hope her career is over.  

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Though I wouldn't advise an SW risk her life that way.  Fucking with sociopathic motherfuckers in power is dangerous.  She's a brave soul.  I hope for her sake that he was relatively insignificant in that regard; or that this move neutered him such that he can't call in a few dark favors.

Damn right, zorrf!  That’s /exactly/ right!

1.) Every law marginalizes someone.
2.) "Persecution" is a subjective term and therefore can be used by anyone.
3.) All laws "fuck with people's lives."

What's your point?

Let's just stick to cases.  You said this guy deserved to be outed because his voting record on prostitution.   Let's look around the USA a bit.  Liberal California ... liberal democrats run against liberal democrats because republicans don't even make it through the primaries.  Is prostitution legal in California?  No.   Please out all California liberal democrats who see prostitutes.

If I could give this post 10 "likes" I'd do it---could not agree with you more!! Every word you say regarding this issue is spot on!!

So if a prostitute determines that her client is a prick she's good to out him?

But this is more than just "he's a prick"---he has power to influence legislation that can adversely affect this woman's livelihood and safety---yet he partakes freely in the "forbidden fruit" he's so much against!! A guy like that is dangerous to ALL of us---clients and providers alike. He needs to be exposed for the well-being of everybody that participates in this activity.

The only tool you dumb ass righties have in your rhetorical toolbox...So prostitution is illegal in California and NY.  You wanna tell me what the fuck that has to do with a creepy ass family values rep getting his comeuppance in Utah?  

"...what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

You are simply his uninvited guest on HIS thread. Next time ask for permission before posting on HIS thread.  lmao

Perhaps you'd like to explain why there is NO liberal state or enclave in the USA the has legalized prostitution.  You like to bash and destroy religious folks, but hands off liberals who continue to support and enforce criminalization?  How so?

Most of Latin America is controlled by the Catholic Church and they have found a way to co-exist quite nicely. If you look at any of the countries in Latin America where there is an effort to criminalize prostitution that is perfectly legal today, you have no further to look than the mostly liberal soccer moms.  

Two cousins fucking the same cousin?  Good ol redneck sibling rivalry, huh?  I knew it.  You dumb fucking hicks are all the same.  Glad I could bring you boys back together, though.  Have fun jerking each other off on the boards now that you're besties.

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and I often change their world-view with a couple of stokes of my penis...

Hipocrecy level Master.

Bad analogy, I trust providers much more than any priest.

I told Souls that you were a bitch ass punk and he took exception

It has nothing to do with politics to me. I’ve never snitched on anyone in my life. If someone gets busted, especially for something I was involved with, it ain’t going to trace back to me. That’s drama I don’t need. Outing politicians for infidelity doesn’t change the law. It just makes him look bad and exposed the the woman for being a prostitute. Since she did nothing to change opinions toward legal prostitution, another anti prostitution politician will be elected to take his place.

Who got beat up on the playground.  They're all growed up now! LOL

Irony is dead.