Well, guess what? I'm not a guy! BUT..
As I've said before, you guys have completely blown my socks off with your DATY skills (yeah, you know who you are!) and that has been one of the most biggest, pleasant surprises in this business! And I certainly thank you thank you thank you
for all the pleasure you've given me, and the many times I go home grinning from ear to ear because of the 'heights' you've taken me to! LOL
So, whether you're good at it, or not good at it - it's the direction, not the perfection - practice makes perfect and we are more than happy to help you practice! (wink)
As far as how you feel about going down a common trail, that, of course depends on the lady, who I'm sure even if she has multiple appts throughout her day, she is showered in between. I only see one per day, so the man I'm with - he's it! He's da man! Feast away..!
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Gentlemen- Am I the only one who does not have any interest in muff diving w/providers. For me that's like kissing- something reserved for the SO. I'm shitty at it (neck injury- yeah that;'s right) so no-one is missing out, but really is everyone else fdoing it.
I will admit that with one provider with a particularly pronounced clit (I think I said that it had it's own gravitational field), I was tempted and did partake(she claimed I was good at it-ilove them when they lie!)
But this is a spot at least one other guy is going to visit today and perhaps 10! Do we really want to be risking ourselves?
I have an out- I am simply way better with my hands. But are the ladies we employ demanding it? I am confused when some guy demands everything covered and then munches for "20 minutes until she came all over my face"?!?
Not a value judgement- a question (with a statement of my policy)
Or am I an insensitive a-hole (a totally viable option)
OPEN FIRE!
"Or am I an insensitive a-hole (a totally viable option)"
You say that like it is an exclusive absolute? 
Personally, I just get off on it. Like the taste, like the scent, like the way they look all pink and open.
If you're that worried about transmission issues, you probasbly ought to be wearing latex gloves and kiss her through a plastic sandwich bag.
just joking ...
Geeze I'm in a pissy mood tonight.
Think it has anything to do with getting stood up by my Real World GF at the wrong time of the month , . .
i.e. just before payday..
Harumph
HONESTLY now (with aliases if you like) if a client was so-so would you tell him you REALLY enjoyed it or just say "thanks, that was good"?
I have been told by every provider that I DATY that I was VERY good. Just a bit confused because the very few civilian girls I have given oral pleasure to, don't seem that excited.
Just hoping for an honest opinion.
OH YEAH! As indicated..
If he was so-so, I would have to wonder if he was enjoying it, because it usually means the things you love you do well, right? Sometimes? And if you don't like something, then you really lack interest and could care less. That could be the case. So, I'd look for those signals. But, no, no BS - don't like BS...
So, if he was only so-so but I thought he was deriving some sort of pleasure, I'd probably be a bit more encouraging and 'coach' him along. When they see the response, they usually get more into it - honest, helpful praise goes a long way!
I really like the "coaching" idea. I probably don't speak for everybody, but suspect I speak for many on this...
The insincere praise of our skills and largesse are OK, but their luster wears off pretty quickly.
Rather than boosting my ego by pretending I'm doing a great job, I'd much rather be coached on how to really do a great job. I think some providers are hesitant for fear that our feelings might be hurt, but to me, coaching feels like an investment in what we're doing, and adds to the intensity of the session more than praise.
One of the interesting things about the hobby is you get a real appreciation for how entirely different each person's preferences are. Everybody seems to have these quirky, sometimes embarrassing little "hot buttons" that just can't be uncovered without asking.
Although I have had a few become a little insulted because I liked things different then others. I suppose they really wanted me to fake it? I dunno? I'm not at all demanding about it just a little sexy talk.
When it comes to the civilian women, my theory on that would be that civilian women tend to be less sexually aware, then we professional ladies. Even before I became a provider it amazed me at how many men comment on how many women don't like DATY. The guys where usually good at it too. I think they must be sexually repressed. Subconsciously thinking that if they really allow themselves to enjoy sex, that would make them a slut.
Thank goodness I was raised better. LOL
Just My Opinion of Course,
Tiffany
as well as how many never have!
OMG - I have to have a release AT LEAST once a day, every day!
How can any of these women ever know themselves sexually, and certainly how can they grow??
My FB and I were just talking last night about how much we've grown sexually and the journey..
My SO just doesn't like it, she says. I think she thinks it is not lady like. Still she will do it to let me watch. Somehow watching a woman stroke her own pussy lips is very erotic to me.
uhm.. ok I am new so I cant say I have told a play partner I didnt enjoy it. The very few calls I have done (thus far) were seriously romps in other directions so it was rather fast and furious if ya catch the drift.
Partners in the real world and I am sure this will transgress into my provider world as well.. get my toy bag.
SO hell yea man if they want to DATY get out buzz lightyear and let me show you how I like it. No licking just fingers.. fine.. I am not particular on hands .. men can sometimes be WAY to rough with out realizing it.. so again .. let me show you..
My thought.. are you the only one sitting in the sandbox .. let me play too...
Well, guess what? I'm not a guy! BUT..
As I've said before, you guys have completely blown my socks off with your DATY skills (yeah, you know who you are!) and that has been one of the most biggest, pleasant surprises in this business! And I certainly thank you thank you thank you
for all the pleasure you've given me, and the many times I go home grinning from ear to ear because of the 'heights' you've taken me to! LOL
So, whether you're good at it, or not good at it - it's the direction, not the perfection - practice makes perfect and we are more than happy to help you practice! (wink)
As far as how you feel about going down a common trail, that, of course depends on the lady, who I'm sure even if she has multiple appts throughout her day, she is showered in between. I only see one per day, so the man I'm with - he's it! He's da man! Feast away..!
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I LOVE to go down ... to me, it's better than intercourse of any kind. Also, to me at least, what's the point of having a gfe, without daty??? It's what I love to do, want to do and would do all day long if they'd let me.
Sedona, I'm doing tongue exercises just for you babe.
Also, I don't feel that providers 'lie' during their time with us. It may certainly be a performance, to a degree, but you cannot fake a squirting orgasm, body tremors, etc. Maybe it's been my experiences and the quality ladies I've been blessed to have seen, ones who do not have a revolving door. Perhaps it's that I'm honest, open, upfront and sweet as candy with them. Or maybe it's because they love my tongue.
In any event, my daty experiences have been awesome, and most of the time, if I had my druthers, I'd opt for a marathon daty session over intercourse anyday.
Jimbo
I don't know why, but I live for DATY. Don't get me wrong, I love other stuff as well. But I'm a very oral oriented bloke and love to take my time down there.
Sedona, you light me up just talkin like that.
Funny... just heard the song on CBS FM in NY.
Sedona honey...take one guess as to what I was thinking.
Cheers!
I dont always, it depends on the provider and the moment, but I do love it. I cant help though and think of the "pubic hair" episode on Curb Your Enthusiam when you mention your neck as a reason not to (If you have seen it you will know. If you havnt, then do so, it is one of the funniest episodes in television history)
to me this is the very best part of being with a provider. doing it with the so at the end of a long sweaty day is not nearly as much fun as with a fresh, delightful young lady. I really love doing it and practice every chance i can. cb
but a damn honest one! LOL ... good hygiene is of utmost importance of course ... also good to keep in mind that you encounter more germs and bad hygiene on the subway!
JMHO
i'm all about the daty.
I am no wonderboy when it comes to length or length, so a little time dining down under adds time and intimacy to the visit...
rarely will I repeat with a provider that disallows the dining.
i like to do it if the girl permits. it is part of the gfe. i am turned off if the girl does not allow it.
I have been hobbying for a while now, but never DATY with a provider until tonight, with my ATF. I will not go until she gushes all over my face, but a few clit licks felt right. It has always been a safety issue with me. All things covered. It made the liason much more intimate, if I may say that and still realize it is sex for $$$.
Jesus, Mary & Joseph!!!.
Guess what gang? Hobbying has some inherant risks, just like driving. We all manage to put on our seat-belt and venture into traffic each day don't we? Well we take a calculated risk when we hobby also. FYI- Micro-biologists don't look favorably on many common sex practices simply because they know too much(ignorance IS bliss).
SULLY... Get real!. DATY is right up there with breathing in respect to what's important in life. If you want to go on a safety campaign and deny yourself then go join the ch. 2, 4 or 7 news team and start broadcasting gloom & doom for all the world to see. Meanwhile I'll have my face burried in my ATF's perfectly groomed pussy and I won't stop till I have licked & sipped her dry of every drop of her "butter".
"If you're gonna' make an omelette, you're gonna' break some eggs."
IOoaR
duder-
I too like to get the occasional lick in, simply not in commercial situations. Besides, I am not kidding about the injury aspect- .
You don't know ,but the hobby is about 1% of the sex i have- so I don't think anyone is getting hurt here. And I DID do it once.
But the twat ius like a mouth and does tend to incubate a number of wee beasties (like the mouth does, I'm certainly not dissing women).
Hey slobber away to everyone's hearts' content! I just wanted to listen to a dialogue... ..I think I got one !
DATY is one of 3 services required for me to chose a provider. No DATY, no Fortitude, in effect.
It is, for me, an inetgral part of the GFE, and a provider who doesn't do this cannot, IMHO, be a GFE provider. I have always been an oral guy, and DATY is an oral act, and in my book ot to be missed.
Sorry about your neck. Have you tried different positions, like you on your back and she lowering herself on your tongue? Yummy!!
F.
Fortitude,
Speaking of that lowering bit, is there one particular provider (or a few providers) that, in your experience, excell at it?
In other words, if you were running a Saturday afternoon "face riding" seminar, and could invite any provider you've seen to sit in as instructor, who'd get the nod (so to speak)?
I know someone who I think is "head and shoulders" above the rest (no pun intended) but value your opinion.
Thanks-
Sully dude... I'm in agreement with most of the other guys. DATY is one of the most enjoyable parts of sex for me. If you have a problem with your neck, then try 69 with you on your back, and her butt in your face!
I love women's bodies, and I want it right in my face. I'll go for as long as she'll let me. I was recently accused by one provider of making her cum too soon that way... oh darn, my bad!
I'm reminded of a satirical song... "It's hard to say I love you with you sitting on my face...".
How about the Quiet Riot line:
"I want to kiss your lips, not the ones on your face...."
"For me that's like kissing- something reserved for the SO."
I think that statement right there, reveals that different people are just looking for different things. If you won't kiss her, it doesn't surprise me at all that you're not interested in DATY with her either. You're not looking for a GFE.
I can't identify with that (lack of) desire, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Uh guys? have i ever said I was into the GFE? I HAVE A SO! I don't need it or want it, as I get all I can handle of the relationship carnality.
I like an incredible massage that ends with a bang.
I love it !!! and to be blunt anything else that goes near that area is covered. While most guys don't think twice about DFK when sometimes things go in that area uncovered. It all depend on how comfortable you feel with the particilar lady. Most are way above impecible when it comes to hygeine. It's all up to the individual.
Sully, you silly goose! Having sex with some of these lovely ladies without going in for some clit-licking is like,...like not getting a BBBJ to me! Sure, for an hour or two it's all about me, but it is even twice as good to share. Didn't you learn that rule on the playground of life? And what better way to share and show you care than some muff diving! Better bring your snorkel!! As for the SO, practice makes perfect, right?
As for me, I LOVE it!! In fact, with the right woman (and you know who you are) I just can't seem to get enough of it. It is so warm, wet & wild down there. It's like paying hommage to the lady at her own little shrine. A true temple of the gods! In many regards, it is the bare essence of a woman; you are right down there, up close and real personal. You just can't get any closer to her than that. And if you are halfway decent, you will be richly rewarded for your efforts. Read my reviews and you'll see what I mean.
Well DATY with my ATF is pure heaven, yes it bothers me a bit what has gone there in the last week, the last several months, but at least on an AM appt I am able to put thoses thoughts aside. If I saw as many women as many here do then I might think differently. But it has to be clean and if I catch the slightest wiff of something less than fresh, sorry I can't. But I know the Hygene habits of my ATF and I know she is cleaner than most providers. If I was less than sure then I may hold a different opinion. If I went to a high volume provider then I clearly would think differently.
Just my opinion.
But, I don't think I'd do it with a Provider who I saw for only one hour.
The thought of doing that right after someone else is just too much.
My limited number of Provider experiences have been for multiple days, so I've done it with them.
For me it is like this... Every woman that is in front of me IS my SO! Whether I have paid for her time or she is someone I have met. I truly relinquish myself to her, regardless of who she is.
This is one of the reasons I like this hobby. Rarely are there any problems with misunderstandings or attachments afterwards, but during our time I seek for mutual satisfaction. I go to the degree that is required for us. (For some women it is at the time of the donation, for others it is when they need sleep from to many orgasms)
With this said, I give whom ever all of me and DATY is a favorite of mine, but if she were to be uncomfortable with it, I have many more, enjoyable, tools in my repertoire
I wish I would have met you five months ago!
Sully's started an excellent thread. First, a little background by way of a disclaimer, then I'll add a question to focus the discussion a bit.
In my brief hobbying career before I discovered TER, I saw two providers. One offered DATY, but I was (unusually) not interested. The other, an all around miserable experience, did not offer (awful time ...I would rather she had left with the cash and saved me the time). Since discovering TER, I've only seen providers that offer DATY, since it is something that I usually love to do (as some of my brethren hobbyists have indicated, I'm not interested if things are not clean and fresh-smelling).
My question is this . . . aside from cleanliness issues, what are people's thoughts / opinions/ fears about catching STD's from DATY, especially with someone who has performed multiple BBBJ's?
I note that, for those of us who dine, the concern might actually be greater with civilian girlfriends than with providers . . . my last civilian girlfriend (aged 25) claimed to have performed BJ's on more than 40 guys since her 16th birthday, all uncovered.
Of course, that's a small number by provider standards, but it's still a large enough number to cause concern. I'm also certain that, but for my insistance, she never would have been tested. I bet that many civilian girlfriends, even those with extensive histories, get tested a lot less than a responsible provider.
So, are people concerned about transmission of STD's (especially AIDS) through DATY? Can anyone speak intelligently on the current medical thinking in this area?
All insight most welcome, and thanks to Sully for starting the discussion in the first place.