I just had a bad experience with a provider that was very nice and I don't know if I should write a review that might hurt her business.
The problem is that when I went for some Daty, there was an odor down there.
Now, I love to eat pussy, but nothing turns me off more than a bad smell.
Should I review her?

Don't write a review, could have been just that one occasion and your bad luck that you could not daty,.. I never write a review of my bad exprience with providers with great reviews and reputation, I prefer not to hurt tjeir business, because if everyone else was happy then she could have been having a bad day, or she could not provide what I was expecting because of me, ?I could have been stinky, not appealing to her, etc....  If she does not have any reviews or your review will be consistent with all other reviews then write it.

Just my 2 cents...

Bad reviews can be really harmful to her business, expecially when they say things that sound very gross or dangerous.  "Smelly pussy" is usually a major turn-off for ALL GUYS!  If you think her hygiene was an accident, and she really was trying to give you GREAT SERVICE, maybe you should just email her privately, so she can fix the problem, and you won't feel bad for trashing her business.

If nobody ever writes a bad review because they are afraid of hurting her business then you are doing the rest of TER a disservice.  The entire point of this place is to find realistic and honest reviews so you can make sure that you enjoy the companion you choose.

I wouldn't be disrespectful and mention an "odor" as that could be very subjective and not true.  If the experience was enjoyable then say so but if it wasn't then say so too.

My 2 cents.

I understand your point and that's why I'm hesitating about writing, but here are my reasonings:
1) Every time I see a provider, I make sure I'm squeaky clean. I mean, I wash and scrub every inch and orifice of my body and I make sure my breath is minty fresh. That's not only for hygiene but as a courtesy to the provider. I only wish she reciprocates it.
2) If you don't write an honest review with your personal experience , what's the point of this website?

I completely agree with you but I just can't bring myself to write to a woman to tell her that her pussy smelled bad. That is way to embarrassing.
Also, as I think about it, I'm a little pissed by her attitude. Like she woke up, rolled of the bed and open the door for me.
You know what I mean?

Thanks for the reply.
I completely agree with you.
I just have to find a way of writing about it and not being offensive.

so the lady can freshen up. Or an invitation to shower together?  Why suffer in silence? I would expect the same from the lady if I was not as fresh as I should be. If the rest of the session was good and the lady is getting good reviews I would not give her a bad review.

to say "gee, we need some washing here?"  It's gonna be arkward no matter what...
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Exactly.
But the funny thing is, a provider wouldn't hesitate for a nano second to tell to go take a shower if you were smelling bad. Why shouldn't we, as customers, have the same right?
I would love to hear some providers's input on this problem.

I say write the review. Of course, be polite and as diplomatic as possible. Be honest but careful and fair. And be sure to mention any and all positive aspects about the experience.

One of the great things about TER is the wealth of information that is available at your fingertips. I believe it is up to each of us as hobbyists/reviewers to keep that information available and up to date.

A smart hobbyist, and one that I would think most providers would want to see anyway, will not allow one less than perfect review to stop him from seeing someone. He will utilize all the resources at his disposal, including a variety of reviews, to determine if a lady is the kind of provider he wants to see. I have noticed that a lot of obviously fabulous providers (8's and up) have had at least one less than great review. It's one of the reasons so many focus on the fact that YMMV.

If the rest of the session was good, be sure to focus on the positive points. You don't have to be crass with terms like "smelly pussy". You can mention that you thought that "she could have been fresher". There are ways to say what you mean without being rude, crude, and socially unacceptable.

If I had a dollar for everytime I needed to ask a client to freshen up..... Anyway, there are many ways to do so without coming across as rude. Sure, it can be awkward. But better to have an awkward moment then trying not to gag.

It goes both ways, for client or provider. You very simply could have said that you love daty but prefer a really soapy fresh smell and could we take a quick shower. Something along those lines. We can't read minds, just like you guys can't.  Communication is soooo important in a session for the ultimate enjoyment of both parties.  

Now.....there are different odors that the vagina can emit. They don't natualy emit a flowery sweet scent. It does have it's own natural scent. Some gents love the natural aroma of pussy, others prefer scented lotions etc...Is it possible it was a natural odor that you just didn't prefer?? If so, that would be your own preference and not something to do with her.

On the other hand, if it was a fishy type odor, that can be a sympton of a bacterial infection or other medical issue. She may also be unaware of the odor. Hard not to be but some people's sense of smell can be inhibited due to allergies, a cold....etc.

If you think that it is a health issue, I strongly suggest you swallow your feeling awkward and write her a very tactful email so she can become aware and go to a doctor if needed.

If it was just a strong natural odor, I would NOT put in her review her 'pussy stank'. If you feel you must write about it, simply say something like you prefer a fresher scent, that she was very natural. It doesn't have to be worded in a negative manner. Something like that.

MEOW.

Thanks for your input. Let me clarify what happened.
I'm pretty sure it was not a vaginal infection odor. I have smelled that before and will never forget it. It was the smell that we all have in our private parts after a day or night , before we shower.
Look, the reality is that the pussy is right next to the ass, so when I guy goes down on a woman, that area has to be clean. By the way, there's nothing I enjoy more than the natural aroma of a clean pussy.
I think this provider's problem was her whole casual attitude towards the session: "I don't need to shower before and I don't need to dress something sexy for the occasion".

If there is a problem and you're paying for it, then you should tell her. I won't even go down on a guy if he's really nasty. I know it's an uncomfortable situation, but she would rather know if she might be getting an infection or for her to have a bad review. No provider. I REPEAT: NO PROVIDER wants to read that her pussy is not fresh. That hurts us more than anything in our business. No one will see us if someone writes that in a review.

I've never understood why some guys and women cannot speak up and tell the person he/she needs to wash up. You can do it politely.  Perhaps say, "Hon, I'm sorry, but can you wash up down there? I am just so anal about smelling soap and a just-stepped-out-of-the shower pussy." More than likely, she will just get up and wash up, figuring you are just into that smell. When she comes back into the room and if she smells okay then tell her, "Wow! That is great! Thank you so much for not being offended. This is awesome!"

I am so paranoid of not being clean that I wash up again right before someone rings the doorbell or if I'm at a hotel. Heck! I'll even ask the guy if I've gotten really wet if he would like me to wash up again.

Now, as to your question, Mr. Kennyhancock: I would email her and tell her your feelings. Perhaps she could supply you with an answer and she will be aware of this issue for future purposes. Perhaps she was just starting to get a yeast infection or maybe ate something that threw her VaJayjay into "yuk mode."

Please do not write a review where you say her coochie stank. That would destroy her. Now, if she's gotten several reviews where there is a problem, then it's her fault and she needs to address the problem. Otherwise, this could be a one-time thing and you would destroy her credibility. Think about it: If a hobbiest's reputation for being unclean (even once) hits other providers' reference checks or the Provider Board, THEY WILL NOT SEE HIM -- EVER -- and it could have been a medical problem that has been recently corrected.  After all, I wouldn't see a hobbiest if I got a reference that he was unclean. Think about it, please! It's very easy for hobbiests to suggest to write a review anyway, but think about the ramifications if you do this. Put yourself in her shoes.

I'm really surprised at the comments you received. They didn't think before posting, and it never ceases to amaze me how some people sometimes feel it's okay to say anything for the sake of a fellow hobbiest, without thinking about how it will ruin someone's career.  I'm so disappointed.  


Hugs,
Ciara














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I know I wouldn't want to feel responsible for giving guys advice about saying in a nice way that a girl smelled bad. Give her a chance, first, then if it keeps happening write a review about it. There are other ways to handle this situation. But hey, honey! I love ya'!

Hugs,
Ciara

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A point to consider.
If a gentleman sees a lady and there's something wrong with the visit, it might be anything; like poor service, a cleanliness issue, a case of YMMV or any of a multitude of things. If that gentleman does not write a review and bring at least some attention to the issue he encountered than the NEXT gentleman sees the lady and has the SAME problem and does not write a review then a possible pattern of a repeated issue with a provider is never uncovered. I'm not saying the reviewer needs to blast away with crude and ungentlemanly words, but in order to establish if there is a recurring problem somebody has to be the first to mention it. If on subsequent reviews there's no issue, then in the long run the lady will not be adversely affected. In addition, if the other reviews of the lady have no mention about any issues then the weight of the total good reviews will outweigh a single review that mentions an issue. I realize there’s a fine line to walk here so that everyone gets treated fairly, but honest reviews will provide the true picture in the end.

C_K


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Now, we're privied to the fact that her attitude was bad and perhaps she didn't shower. Is that what you mean?  Be honest -- or should I say "more informative" -- because now I'm confused and I answered your question in another way below because I understood the post to be different. You need to be more specific if you're going to review someone in a negative way. Tell us what really happened. We cannot nor should not assume anything. You've got a PM.

Hugs,
Ciara





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and some of us didn't think before we posted, me included. Maybe it would be best to contact the lady privately first, and see if you get a response. If you don't get a response, then you still have the same decision to make. If she does respond in a positive manner, then I would let it go.

Either way, to not address it at all is not right either. Pehaps the lady does have the onset of a medical problem that she just wasn't aware of.

I think if it were due to rudeness, performance, or anything else (especially when she's already had great reviews, which he stated she had), then it is damaging to her. Like I said below, if a provider tells me a hobbiest wasn't clean and he is asking for a reference, then it's most likely that I won't see him unless there were other circumstances involved. Therefore, people do believe what they read, so it will hurt her. Don't think for a minute that some will not be turned away by a review like that. You may not notice it as a hobbiest because she might continue to get "some" reviews after the fact. But, you are not a provider and have to see those ugly things in print. I think many of you would think differently if the shoe were on the other foot, and it will be if you are not clean for a provider.

I agree that there is sometimes no excuse for uncleanliness, but you can tell the difference between someone who doesn't bathe and someone who might be getting an infection (or at least I can). However, if she has been reviewed so often and it was great then why all of a sudden would it be bad unless she was sick or had an infection? Sometimes we don't realize we have an infection coming on until it's too late. But you guys (unless you're doctors) wouldn't know that about women. Some providers will not give you a chance in the future if you were not clean because there are no other references to back you up. Think about it. That's all I'm asking. She deserves an email from him before he reviews her. This is not something that could damage a hobbiest for long because it's not in print with you guys, but it will damage her. If one provider has a bad experience with you but another has a great one, then you just ask the provider with the good experience to vouch for you.

Dont' kid yourself! If I thought a hobbiest had a problem with not being clean down there, I'd have him wash up and -- if he told me it was because of something out of his control but he was getting help for it -- then I wouldn't mention it to another lady. Perhaps he showered before he came over but then sweat again in his drive over to my place. It happens all the time, and all I do is ask him to shower.

If you're too embarrassed to ask someone to clean himself/herself in such an intimate setting (and especially if you're paying for it, for Heaven's sake), then you really shouldn't be in this type of hobby or business. Now, with that being said, I do believe in supreme cleanliness and post in response to it quite often on the boards, but I don't use names. I just want people to be aware of the fact that they need to be clean. I'm really trying to give this lady the benefit of the doubt. Why can't he email her first about it? It's not that difficult. I also believe that after this experience, he should be overly communicative from this point forward (if he's shy) to tell the lady upfront about his cleanliness issues. Perhaps the lady will be more apt to wash more. I know that's pitiful, but just a suggestion. Again, I have no problem telling someone he needs a shower and to actually use soap. I'm not going to lick the boys if they're too hairy or smelly.

***The most important thing about this post is (I don't believe) completely revealing what really happened. If she was truly negligent and lazy about her cleanliness then that is a different story (which I'm finding out is the real case now). Just my .02 cents.

Hugs,
ciara

***The real and only important issue!






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Thanks for all the replies and input. It really helps all of us when we honestly exchange ideas.
Let me try to clarify the facts, hopefully for the last time.
 The thing that annoyed me the most was the lack of caring for the session. If I went to an appointment looking like a homeless, I guarantee any provider would say: "excuse me , where da hell, you think you're going?".
I'm not saying she looked like a homeless person (btw, no offense to homeless people), but she looked exactly like someone who woke up and put some clothes to run some errands.
 The pussy odor was just a consequence of the lack of caring. Anyone, and I repeat(I'm sounding like Joe Biden), anyone will smell bad in the ass and genitals if they don't shower. Both providers and hobbyists should be extremely sensitive to the fact we are having the most intimate contact possible and should be extra prepared for that.

Ciara,

In an earlier post , you wrote...

"Please do not write a review where you say her coochie stank. That would destroy her. Now, if she's gotten several reviews where there is a problem, then it's her fault and she needs to address the problem. Otherwise, this could be a one-time thing and you would destroy her credibility."

How exactly is the next hobbyist to know if there is a real problem if no one has addressed it in a review? As I understand your argument, unless you can tell the difference between a medical issue and general uncleanliness, the provider should be given the benefit of the doubt and no review written that might hurt her business. It seems a little convaluded to me.

And as far as bringing the matter up in the middle of the date, I dare say that would not be an option for most hobbyists, unless there is a longer-term relationship/ATF thing going on. I just do not see that there is enough intimacy/trust to have that kind of conversation within the context of a one-hour (sometimes more) date with very limited goals in mind. There is a great deal of risk that the kind of discussion you encourage would end the date or at least kill the mood. As you mentioned, no provider wants to hear that her "coochie" stinks.

It's similar to the reason I do not complain too vehemently about service in a nice restaurant. I want to enjoy the meal as much as possible without unwanted additions to my food. Somtimes, you just have to make the best of the situation.

Only MHO...K

I agree, that IS the key:
" ***The most important thing about this post is (I don't believe) completely revealing what really happened. If she was truly negligent and lazy about her cleanliness then that is a different story (which I'm finding out is the real case now)."

Both sides have to communicate and give each other a chance.
It's a two way street - well at least it should be.
We are all here to try and ensure that both sides to this equation are safe, have fun and be treated honestly and fairly.

C_K

I said in my first post and say it again, It won't hurt a hobbyist if he does not post a bad review of a well reviewed lady ( besides the 15 days VIP ..) but It will damage a lady's livelihood...

my 2 cents

I was trying to say if none of her other reviews mention the odor issue, and if you are going to rate her low for that specific reason while her perfomance was good, then don't write a review, the problem is that most of us pay more attention to that one bad review more than other 10 great reviews, specially when it is sitting on top of the list. Think of it this way; forget about the DATY issue, were you satisfied and happy when you walked out of the door? Then go ahead and write yoru review, and mention the odor problem to her privatley.

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While I agree with you that it may not hurt the hobbyist to refrain from writing a bad review, it could very well make the experience of the next hobbyist less enjoyable.

I would imagine that most hobbyists would be highly disappointed having had a similar bad experience with a provider (or a different type of bad experience for that matter) if they found out that the previous 2 or 3 or more hobbyists had the same bad experience but did not include it in the review.

If we are not to be tactfully, but completely, honest in a review (the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth) what good are the reviews anyway?

That is a different story alltogether. If someone intentionally doesn't bathe, then that is just plain gross. I wish you would have stated that in your original post but thanks for clearing that up. I'm curious: Are you going to email her about your disappointment? If she really is a good provider and just had an off day (no excuse for not bathing though), then she should offer you another session without a donation -- and hopefully bathe.


Hugs,
Ciara

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However, the original poster failed to mention in his original post that she hadn't bothered to bathe at all, etc. Read up a few lines where he corrected himself. Now, that is a different story. No one should have to put up with intentional or lack of caring in the bathing department. I agree with you on that issue. That is gross and shouldn't be tolerated.

I was previously stating that because of her other great reviews, it could have been a medical problem. Geez! I hope someone is understanding if you have that problem. If it was intentional on her part, then YES feel free to write a review. She'll think twice next time. But, if in fact it was something else then at least give her the opportunity to defend herself before crucifying her. That's all. Why can't people interpret what I write? I thought I was very clear -- over and over again -- about it possibly being a medical issue. How annoying.

Hugs,
Ciara



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Do you even know?  Sometimes, no matter how soon you shower before a session guys under-balls area still smells like funky ass.  

I'm sure there may be a logical explanation for this, too many guys lately have been complaining of pussy stank.  Maybe we need a full body sensory experience (like the bodies exhibit). :P

Just different opinions, I guess . . .

Like most women, I do not see things only in black and white, and I was not redundant. Reread my post. I think it's pretty clear about the medical issue. If you cannot understand my post, then just agree to disagree. I think most people understood it. If he now tells us (and it's only recently that he did) that she simply did not shower then it is a different story, hon. I cannot believe that you wouldn't consider the medical issue, especially if all her other reviews were great.

Anyway, to tell you the truth, most providers don't even like the review system. How would you feel being reviewed? That was not thought up by providers and often it is humiliating, but we're stuck with it, okay? However you're not! Read Gregory's post below and my response. I think many mature and intelligent men and women find it hard to believe that you cannot tell someone about a cleanliness problem.

I've said my peace, and you can disagree with it.  I just hope I do not have to schedule an appointment with someone who cannot communicate with me.  By the way, why the alias? Are you someone who knows me -- or thinks he knows me -- and is afraid to post your real name on the board?  


Hugs,
Ciara









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or just before entertaining regardless of how recent the shower was. I would assume that the reverse would apply to the lady. In any case I'm always up for sharing a shower.....

since we are going to be intimate with each other, sharing our bodies, which were not designed by nature to be odor free, and since it is after all the connection between us that makes the experience, why should we not communicate about cleanliness, as we would about anything else? This is after all nothing to feel awkward about. If a gent or a provider "puts up" with such easily remediable unpleasantness, we are only making the experience worse for ourselves and perhaps for future dates. But after the fact, the principle of benefit of the doubt should apply as well, in the case where this was not discussed in person.

I find it hard to believe that people -- at our age and who've been hobbying a few times -- cannot communicate to someone that he/she needs to be clean. I would not be offended in the slightest if someone told me that I got so wet that my juices were not odor-free. Yes, it's a little embarrassing, but you wash up and get over it. I've had communication like this between boyfriends before, and I think it's more painful to hear it from someone you love, because you want to be the best for them.

So people, be clean or be prepared to hear it!

Hugs,
Ciara

Before I knew TER existed...  This was not a girl I'd review anyway, as I didn't have enough information...  just a quick phone call.  I had planned the date & had a fresh shave & shower immediately before driving the few minutes there. I'd been with her before & everything was fine.  She was waiting outside the meeting place, I'm sure so she wouldn't get burned for the room if I ncns.
She gets the room & we go in.  After a bit of DFK, I head South but charlie tuna got there first.  I didn't say anything, just turned around & headed North & got the cover out.

So you ladies are saying you would not get upset if you were asked nicely...  "I don't know how to tell you this but...  "  
skb

I was going to say that I agree with you 100% , but then I thought for a second.
Would go to a restaurant and tell the chef: Hi sir, would you mind washing your hands after you wipe your ass or hold your dick?
If you need to ask the chef for that, you shouldn't be in that restaurant in the first place.
Same thing here. As Chiara said about 20 posts ago, she makes sure she showers after every client.
It's common sense and a desire to be the best possible provider.

Sorry, Ciara.

This topic caught my eye because I recently found myself asking the same question. But not for the reasons that Kenny cites.

I recently had a date with a highly-reviewed (lots of 8's and 9's, rare for this region) provider and... I am unable to agree with my fellow mates. Yes, BBBJ is always *very* nice, but when you expect the excellence that has been reported time and time again but find that in my instance the lady was so "all over the map" with me (and not only regarding the BJ but in all activities we partook) that it was distracting... I cannot give her a positive review.

So I didn't review her at all.

Why? Because of the retribution I fear would come from giving a 4 or 5 to a lady others have consistently given an 8 or 9, and never less than a 7).

Nothing than YMMV is more truthfully spoken.

It seems to be the habit today to jumble words I didn't even state in posts. I didn't say anything about showering after my client(s).  I mentioned about showering before my client arrives & freshening up right before he enters my door -- or if I'm at a hotel. However, I do shower afterward.  Geez! I would hope that everyone does, but I do not see more than one client in a day. Please be careful about what you say on this board.

"Client" not "clients"!  Geez! You guys really need some spankings today.


Thank you & hugs,
Ciara



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