I am not particularly "scholarly" in this topic, but I did see that a lot of people misuse the term "homophobia." I don't think confederatejon is "fearing" anyone... He may "dislike" them or think that it is such a shame, but perhaps not a feeling of "fear."
I could be wrong on what the actually meaning of the word is. But I realized that many people always use that word to someone against gay marriage (not necessarily to act of being gay, but to marriage for sure).
Just wanted to say: People please, not everyone is "afraid" of gay people... They may hate them or think they are disgusting, but not all "fear" them. I am not sure how this term was created in the first place!
And to the burning cross thing... Ok his handle may be a little too apparent, but man that was a little unnecessary.. But then again, this is a fuck forum for the society's most adventurous.
And I might be completely over thinking all this. LOL
I just noticed on the Atlanta board that a middle aged man is shopping for a provider. Nothing wrong with that. He also says he's a big man...nothing wrong with that. I read his reviews. He has 4, they are all with TS providers. That would concern me. I'm not sure I'd want to see a provider that sees a client that see TS providers regularly. Call me closed minded, not politically correct or whatever. That's just me.
"don't judge" bs. What you and we choose to do with our bodies, is our business...end of story. If you don't find this appealing you have every right to give it a pass, but there are many others here who do engage in all types of services. Just because someone is a TS or sees TS providers, does not mean they are at a higher risk than the next person IF condoms are used faithfully for FS.
Yes, it is proven that "anal sex" not "gay sex" carries a higher risk for AIDS and other stds because the anal region tends to tear more easily than the vagina, but if that's the case you should cross off ALL straight providers who provide anal sex to straight men...the risk is the same regardless of whose azz is getting it.
I'm just saying, I would hesitate to see a provider who sees clients that frequent TS providers. And as you say....I have every right to pass.
I know we're all different, but I've always wondered why I (and many others, I've talked to) think 2 women is sexy as hell.......but 2 men (or this case 1 man and 1 TS) is gross as hell. Again, just my opinion. I mean I can't imagine putting one of those things in my mouth, but love it when a lady does it to me. I'll even admit, I'm a little uneasy when a lady wants to DFK right after giving me oral.
You could go on and on with the whole thing about 'being uncomfortable' with something. I could say that I'm not comfortable seeing clients who see girls who do Greek, for example, because I think taking a dick up the ass even with a condom is gross. But I can't make that judgement call. And this guy, as I said in my other post, may be searching for another TS girl. I didn't see his post, but I find it odd that someone who has seen nothing but TSs would want to suddenly start seeing an actual woman.
You're "assuming" he wants a TS. You're "assuming" he has only seen TS providers. He isn't even looking for a provider in his post, he's asking what providers think about "big" (aka fat) clients. Another topic beaten to death around here.
All we know is that he's written 4 reviews for TS girls under that handle. He may have seen hundreds of female providers. He may be married to an "actual" woman. I don't see anything odd about it at all. I'm sure its easier to find "real" women to have sex with then a TS ... MIGHT (once again who knows) be why he pays for it. I wouldn't even know where to go in my town to find a TS for sure.
For the OP, I couldn't care less if a provider sees a TS or guys who see a TS. Having been to a M&G, I shudder to think of what some of the "straight" guys look like around here.
Who cares what two consenting adults of the same gender do behind close doors?? It's time to cue Glen Campbell...
Posted By: Left Fielder
as usual, you are spot on.
I'm just saying, I would hesitate to see a provider who sees clients that frequent TS providers. And as you say....I have every right to pass.
I know we're all different, but I've always wondered why I (and many others, I've talked to) think 2 women is sexy as hell.......but 2 men (or this case 1 man and 1 TS) is gross as hell. Again, just my opinion. I mean I can't imagine putting one of those things in my mouth, but love it when a lady does it to me. I'll even admit, I'm a little uneasy when a lady wants to DFK right after giving me oral.
I love when she kisses me after sucking my DICK....it's friggen erotic as hell!! Nothing is gonna stop DFK in my session. Kissing, is WAY hot and WAY under-rated.
"don't judge" bs. What you and we choose to do with our bodies, is our business...end of story. If you don't find this appealing you have every right to give it a pass, but there are many others here who do engage in all types of services. Just because someone is a TS or sees TS providers, does not mean they are at a higher risk than the next person IF condoms are used faithfully for FS.
Yes, it is proven that "anal sex" not "gay sex" carries a higher risk for AIDS and other stds because the anal region tends to tear more easily than the vagina, but if that's the case you should cross off ALL straight providers who provide anal sex to straight men...the risk is the same regardless of whose azz is getting it.
The only difference is that you checked his reviews and he is open about visiting TS providers... I bet there are a bunch more in this community and beyond that are and don't disclose it. You'd be surprised! Some gentlemen that I have met have made me wonder if I had an "extra" part could that have made their visit any more enjoyable, but it's really none of my business. The risk is the same with whomever you see, you take precautions and be an adult about your business and you're fine. Who's not to say your ATF isn't totally straight and isn't going home to a TS or have a relationship that you may not find "wholesome" at the end of the day? All activities carry a risk and it doesn't matter whether you're pitching or catching, you're still playing the game so you're not exempt. Get tested regularly and play safe!
Every time I see a post like yours I stop and ask myself if maybe I have seen a woman or two over the years who may have seen a guy who saw a TS provider. After about a minute the thought leaves my head since I couldn't even begin to care enough about this to follow another guy's reviews that closely.
That being said, do what feels right to you. There are Guys who use all sorts of criteria as part of their selection process. Just as there are providers who may choose not to see a certain type of customer...
I agree with BG57...Makes no difference to me where the guy/gal has been before. Anymore than where I have been before.
But if it's a huge issue for you, do your research. But I would think that is an endless loop. Are you going to research EVERY guy and EVERY gal...and then every one they've been with (only published info mind you). Heck..PM them and ask who else they've seen and haven't reviewed so you can be absolutely sure that you didn't miss anything.
Good luck with that project. And when you finally finish that up, let me know and I'll see if I can arrange for you to work on the Federal deficits and come up with a plan that'll get the US (and World) out of the shitter
Everyone has their preference, fantasies, and kink. I one for sure love to do some kinky things with providers and I could understand his preference for TS.
A few providers after being grossed out at the thought. One provider doubled with a TS and that eliminated her from my bucket list.
Here are a couple more honest comments that the wimps and PC police won't like.
I am disgusted by gay sex. It makes me want to barf. To hell with the to each his own. It is repulsive and unnatural. If any of you PC, herd following people don't think that gays and TS's don't have higher HIV infections, then y'all are to far gone to be helped. The hobby is risky enough without taking higher risks.
Here's something else to chew on. How many posts have we seen where a hobbyist and or provider is freaking out because the condom broke? Wouldn't you more scared if the condom broke while you were fucking a gay or a TS in the ass? Don't lie and say it would be the same as a real woman.
I just found a fellow conservative online... I mean it man... My reply is totally irrelevant to the OP, but kudos to you for being open here.
Thought I might just be a mean person or it is maybe due to lesbians not having penis and playing with fingers instead, but I got nothing wrong with lesbians. In fact, a lesbian couple playing with each other beautify this world. (My perception has been formed only by the internet) Two gay men are just sweaty and rough. But these lesbians are delicate being, taking time to share one another. A true affection and God's desires in a form of jealousy. But eventually, they better turn bi for me.
But PERSONALLY, I would not be able to meet a TS provider.
Posted By: ConfederateJon
A few providers after being grossed out at the thought. One provider doubled with a TS and that eliminated her from my bucket list.
Here are a couple more honest comments that the wimps and PC police won't like.
I am disgusted by gay sex. It makes me want to barf. To hell with the to each his own. It is repulsive and unnatural. If any of you PC, herd following people don't think that gays and TS's don't have higher HIV infections, then y'all are to far gone to be helped. The hobby is risky enough without taking higher risks.
Here's something else to chew on. How many posts have we seen where a hobbyist and or provider is freaking out because the condom broke? Wouldn't you more scared if the condom broke while you were fucking a gay or a TS in the ass? Don't lie and say it would be the same as a real woman.
Play the internet tough guy all you want. Trust me, if you've seen a few escorts, then you've either been with someone who has seen a TS or with someone who has seen someone who has been with a TS. You've also been with someone who is doing BBFS or someone who has been with someone doing that too, yet here you are on a fuck board still seeing escorts and risking that HIV infection.
"Wouldn't you more scared if the condom broke while you were fucking a gay or a TS in the ass?"
No, because I have no plans to ever fuck a "gay" or TS in the ass. It doesn't interest me. Just because I don't care if someone else has sex with a TS, doesn't mean I want to.
I'm glad you find "gays" repulsive and unnatural. Good for you. I don't concern myself with who the rest of the world is fucking ... guess I'm a wimp. Hope you don't show up at my house and burn a cross in my front yard.
Just because I won't fuck a TS or a gay in the ass does not make me a homophobe. I call that smart.
Now Sherlock. I realize that I have had sex with providers who do BBFS. Most of them are doing it with someone. That is an acceptable risk. Otherwise I wouldn't be in the hobby.
Gays and TS's have higher infection rates. Period the end. I would not KNOWLINGLY take a risk by seeing one of them or a provider who frequents them. That should be clear enough. If that makes me a homophobe by your definition, the fucking fine, whatever.
As far as showing up in your front yard with a burning cross you can go fuck yourself.
... with a Budwieser and can of Skoal watching a NASCAR race right now???
Personally, I would be more concerned with the fact "Suzy" is fucking her boyfriend bareback than her having protected vaginal sex with a guy who saw a TS. However, being the "wimp" I am, I'm not actually concerned with either of them.
"Fuck myself"??? Would that make me one of them "ridiculous" and "unnatural" gays???
I hope not. I wouldn't want you or your "clansmen" to tie me up to the back of your pick-ups and drive me around in circles around your trailer, or sick your best coon dog on me!!!
I don't discriminate against guys that can fuck themselves either. It just sounds painful, but I guess you have a high threshold of pain.
I am clueless as to why you want to inject a racial incident into your babble. You must be Al Sharpton's boy toy but I will not fall farther into your race inferiority complex.
FYI, your gas giant GF has my Skoal, but the Budweiser is on my menu this evening along with some grilled ribs and steak. You can enjoy your KFC.
A black joke??? Sorry, but I'm as white as that sheet you wear over your head. However, I do like watermelon, I hope that don't make me ridiculous and unnatural like them "gays"!!!!
I am not particularly "scholarly" in this topic, but I did see that a lot of people misuse the term "homophobia." I don't think confederatejon is "fearing" anyone... He may "dislike" them or think that it is such a shame, but perhaps not a feeling of "fear."
I could be wrong on what the actually meaning of the word is. But I realized that many people always use that word to someone against gay marriage (not necessarily to act of being gay, but to marriage for sure).
Just wanted to say: People please, not everyone is "afraid" of gay people... They may hate them or think they are disgusting, but not all "fear" them. I am not sure how this term was created in the first place!
And to the burning cross thing... Ok his handle may be a little too apparent, but man that was a little unnecessary.. But then again, this is a fuck forum for the society's most adventurous.
And I might be completely over thinking all this. LOL
people that want to label someone and to direct it as an insult. That is why I was surprised by HC. I don't understand why he lost his temper. I expected that from the gas baloon.
Of course I have no fear of gays or TS's. I just don't want to fuck them, or watch them get fucked. I also want to keep my distance from them in the hobby.
... archaic with me "losing my temper". However, if you're going to accuse me of being a "wimp" and following the "PC herd" because homosexuality doesn't bother me, then I'll have some fun at your expense. Trust me, I won't give you a second thought when I leave the house in a few minutes ... I'm certainly not angry.
I didn't accuse you of being a wimp and following the PC herd. My reply was too the OP, and general in nature. If you thought that I was referring directly to you, I wasn't. However, since you did reply to me directly, I returned the favor. I hope you had half as much fun as I did but I doubt it.
Not sure she swings that way...but give that one a shot.
And why in the fuck would you get flustered with Brad, George and the rest of the studs here?
Don't fall into the preppie category. It's just gotten too hard to stay with his world traveler stories. You are consistent...and that's a good thing.
And I'll bet that Katie doesn't give a shit about scientology any more. And probably never did. Heck...she would make a great provider. She had Tommy fooled for nearly 5 years. And I'll bet you everything was covered. Siri you ask...test tube baby
can be very happily gay and not want a sac and cock with miles. And bi women, when they want a woman don't need a man around either. They just cannot comprehend it. To them, if a woman is gay she has to look like a man. And you know some do, but there are so many that don't. I personally go for the ladies that look, taste, smell and act like women. When I want a woman, I want nothing even remotely manly in sight. I get enough of that at work.
And, thankfully there are people who can recognize this without immediately judging their own preference against others preferences. And then, (unbelievably fucking annoying) feel compelled to declare that their preference is THE_RIGHT_ONE.
I have dated some full-on butch women...and gotta tell ya'...it was HOT. Dated a few full on girly-girls too. YUM. Most have been somewhere in between.
i would never knowingly engage in a sexual encounter with a man who was sexually attracted to, much less had actually experienced sex with, other biological men. however it has nothing to do with finding sex between men disgusting or unnatural (it's neither), and everything to do with personality and compatibility. i need to "click" on some level with every man with whom i share my time and body. especially in this little "hobby" world of ours, it's of paramount importance that there is actual chemistry. i could not have that with a man who was not 100% straight. it is a psychological thing, i need to know he has the chemical drive to just tear my womanhood apart, mark it as his, then come back for seconds. the way a bear treats a kill. that level of primal passion just cannot exist when interest is divided, and i have had this confirmed by conversations with bisexual male friends.
so yes, not for me, but not for the typical reasons.
Nothing wrong with anybody eating pussy. I'm sorry, but 2 men together grosses me out. Or a guy with sombody that used to be a man and still has a cock grosses me out.
Nothing wrong with anybody eating pussy. I'm sorry, but 2 men together grosses me out. Or a guy with sombody that used to be a man and still has a cock grosses me out.
I don't think i would pass on a provider on my bucket list because she screwed a gay guy. I believe woman understand the risk of screwing gay men.
I can't live my life worrying or wondering who a provider is fucking in her private life or who she fucks as a client. The only thing i can do as a hobbyist, is to where a Trojan every time i decide to bang a broad!
I haven't seen anyone TS and don't know if I have seen anyone who sees TS providers, but that actually sounds really hot. Maybe I will do that one day! Hot times.
Sarah's photos show a soft voluptuous gal, and there are many hobbyists (myself included) who would love to be with her.
But the main reason I would see her if I were in the Tampa area (or she in my neck of the woods), would not be her body, but rather the sweet and intriguing mind that resides therein.
Sarah's photos show a soft voluptuous gal, and there are many hobbyists (myself included) who would love to be with her.
But the main reason I would see her if I were in the Tampa area (or she in my neck of the woods), would not be her body, but rather the sweet and intriguing mind that resides therein.
I love it how nasty people get when a provider says something they don't like. The first thing you all go after is appearance. Nice, how about you post a picture of yourself so we can all say mean and demeaning things about you?
Yes and you made it pretty obvious that you would not pay the provider above, so whats the difference? I've seen a lot of Sarah's posts, she seems like a sweet lady and I almost certain she did not intend to insult you in anyway and yet you feel the need to point out her physical faults on a public board? Just because she is getting paid to do what she does doesn't mean YOU have the right to go to her website and find something bad to say about her and put it on here. As the saying goes, don't throw stones in a glass house.
...if I have sex with heterosexual men only, assuming condoms break occasionally. Perhaps my doctor is wrong, but nonetheless the OP and everyone else (homophobe or not) should see those with whom they feel most comfortable.
It's not a "gay" disease, but is passed on more easily through "anal" sex. If you're having anal sex with any man, you have just as much of a chance of being infected with anything a gay person can get. The only reason they claim gay men are of more risk is well...you guessed it lol.
...because they are not receiving anal sex and as you explained above HIV is more likely spread that way. If anal is the primary way to contract HIV, it is difficult to do so as a man who has never been penetrated in the anus. So then ladies who have anal sex with completely heterosexual men are less likely to contract HIV according to my doctor.
Definitely no judgments, just sharing information.
Yes of course it is more likely that two gay men would contract something before a straight male, but don't kid yourself...I can assure you that you have come across an "alleged" straight male who has been with another man or a TS. If not you personally, then certainly someone you have been with who has been with them. This is the hobby, so no matter how you slice it, we have all been involved in some form of unsafe sex. Just "being here" puts us in a high risk lifestyle. Assuing every guy who puts his c*ck in your mouth has never had that same c*ck in someone's azz is naive. Assuming the same thing about BBFS is also naive, though I try not to think about these things lol.
I was responding to your statement about risks only being low if you are not having anal sex. ---> "This is only true if you are not having anal sex."
According to my doctor (I am not one), the risks are still low when having anal sex with real heterosexual men (this would not include those who see TS ladies or other men secretly or not). So in theory a lady could have as much anal sex with a real heterosexual male and experience anal fissure, but if the man has never been penetrated in the anus (assuming he has never been raped) and exposed to HIV, the lady should be A-OK even if the condom breaks. That is all I was getting at. And like I said, "the OP and everyone else (homophobe or not) should see those with whom they feel most comfortable." This includes taking all risks in to account.
As far as your comment about me being with men who have been with other men and HIV not being a gay man's disease, I never brought any of those points up nor am I disputing them. I have no opinion or interest in that conversation, so I will stick to what I was actually discussing and that was risk levels as shared by my doctor.
when it is NOT! I have anal sex, yes with a condom in the hobby. I have had unprotected anal sex with boyfriends and 2 husbands before 2008. Those facts alone put me at a higher risk than a straight woman who has NEVER HAD ANAL SEX...that is why I made that corrleation to the OP. If he is worried about people in high risk activity, he should avoid any provider who does anal at all because odds are she has been with a guy who has also done it or gotten it lol.
Do I assume just because they told me they were never with a guy that they were not? Nope! I would not think so, but I can't know for certain what goes on in another person's bedroom. You are right to protect yourself, but you are still engaging in high risk activities just by being here. If you do bbbj, you have more of a chance of catching something than you do being with a gay male even with a condom on...that is a FACT! Protected anal sex or protected anything is still not as risky as unprotected sex or oral. This is why you have providers who do CBJ and Anal, because ALL is protected.
I feel the same way about not wanting to go with guys who do bbfs in the hobby on a regular basis, so I know where you are coming from. The thought of someone being that careless with every woman he meets, scares the crap out of me! I would much rather know the guy was with a man and protected for EVERYTHING, than be with a straight guy who fks any old skank without a condom...but that's just me.
ANYONE engaging in anal sex has a higher risk for catching aids...period! I don't give a flip what you keep posting because I have been in health care for the bigger part of my life, and already know this shit. The ONLY reason gay men are at a higher risk is freaking DUH...because there are two a holes being penetrated as compared to one during hetero sex! If a straight guy has aids and fks a woman, or a gay guy does the same thing...BOTH are going to be exposed.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp. You're trying to say a male's ass has more chance of getting something than a female, and that is ludicrous! If a woman gets fked in the ass, she is now the one at a higher risk just like you keep insisting is the case with a guy getting it there. It makes no difference! Gay men carry more risk because there are TWO of them BOTH engaging in anal sex. I am at a higher risk than women who don't do anal or bbbj even though I am straight. By your risk assessment, women who fk african american STRAIGHT males should also be avoided because they carry a higher risk for the very same diseases...a whopping 70 percent of the population in 09 at that!
She said you're less likely to contract HIV if you see only "straight" guys. She is correct because men having gay sex have a higher infection rate then straight men. Obviously, your partner has to be HIV positive for you to contract it. So if your client is from a demographic more likely to be infected then it's more likely you will be infected.
She never said a woman having anal sex with a positive partner was less likely to be infected then a male having anal sex with a positive partner.
"he should avoid all women having anal sex" because they too are at a higher risk. She flat out said "her doctor said she would be A ok as long as the condom did not break" lol. Again, she is correct in that straight men carry less risk than gay men, but African American straight males carry that same risk give a point or two.
I don't dispute gay men are at a higher risk than straight men...never did, but it is because there are two men, and two a holes being used as compared to one during straight sex. You put a woman on the "receiving end" of anal sex (gay or straight) and she now becomes higher risk just as the gay male is. An ass is an ass, where AIDS can be transmitted, so the woman in the equation now becomes the gay male since her ass was used for the very same thing lol. Get it now? Not the "same risk" but still a higher one than a woman who has NEVER had anal sex.
On that same note, African American males are also at a higher risk than any other race on the planet regardless of whether it is gay or not. Only a 3 percent increase of HIV in the African American Male population is because of gay sex...hmmm. So who is the highest risk again?
I am just trying to point out if we are going to sit here and single certain people out, we should get ALL of our facts straight, because high risk is still high risk. I am not trying to belittle or dismiss what another person considers high risk for their own body mind you...would never do that, but let's not dismiss the other risks that are being ignored or pushed under the rug to magnify this ONE thing.
Generally speaking, when HIV is passed anally, it is when semen comes in contact with small tears in the lining of the colon, allowing the virus to enter the bloodstream through the minute tears. These small tears occur when a male thrusts his penis, since the lining of the colon is far less resilient than the vaginal lining.
AIDS does not know which ass it is infecting, so to say you can have all the anal you want and are not at a higher risk is retarded. It's a FACT that it is spread more easily through anal sex...period, end of story. There are tears and even blood transfer during anal that you can't see...this is not the case with normal vaginal sex. If a straight guy has aids and you're letting him fk you in the ass, you are just as likely to catch it.
Do straight men have the same infection rate as gay men? No, and I won't dispute that, but anal sex in and on its own is a high risk activity. Just like it is documented that African American males have a higher infection rate of Hep.
I avoid bbfs providers and clients like the plague, because that is an UNPROTECTED activity that carries the HIGHEST risk of anything. Condom anal sex is still safter than unprotected bbfs vaginally, which is why I feel that way.
If any of us were so worried about diseases, we should just go into every date with a plastic bag covering us from head to toe, but because the world is the way it is we can pick and choose what we find risky and avoid it. Would I see a TS client? No, because I am not attracted to that but it's not because I am more afraid to catch something from them than I am the straight guy I fked last week who may or may not be carrying something.
I am more afraid of fkin a random guy from a bar, than a married man gay or straight who uses condoms faithfully in the hobby. Anyone who uses condoms 100 percent of the time for fs, is at less risk than one who is not.
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