I suppose it really depends on your budget and how much you can allocate.. I am, by no means, in a position to give a 5k allowance a month to someone so my experience on sugar sites has been mixed.. I had a few fun dates that turned into 4 or 5 more but the girl ended up finding someone that could cover her in LVuiton and Gucci bags so she, rightfully so, stop communication with me. In the end end most dates ended up very experience for not near the fun I've had with some girls in the hobby. I am sure that if my budget was larger, I would have had a different experience..

One was a TER style escort that I saw many times and we eventually came up with a SB arrangement and the other was a UTR college student that wanted the stability of set monthly income to pay for tuition.

 
I would do it again in a heartbeat with the right girl, but partaking in the more typical SB/SD through a site like SA just isn't for me, at least not now. I looked into it very seriously, and listened to established guys with tons of SD experience walk me through the pros and cons and I came to the conclusion the negatives (e.g. sex wasn't a sure thing) outweighed the benefits.

And this did not involve a monthly allowance.  3 1/2 relationship with my ATF from a service.  She left the service because college was taking up more and more of her time.  NSA, and we hooked up 4-6 times a month.  It was strictly p4p at set amount.  Felt like I was experiencing the best of both worlds.  Unfortunately after Grad School, she moved on to her chosen profession.

I have dabbled a bit on the SA sites. I am a Middle Aged Exec and I really do not have time to go through all the rigmarole that a few colleagues have endured trying to find the right fit.  Even though I am able to afford reasonable monthly allowance expectations, p4p is much more realistic for me.

But what is sugar? SB? and SD?  I don't know what is being said here.

There are aspects of each that are appealing.  If I am out of town or a particular provider is within driving distance, a traditional WG is nice.  With these ladies you know what you are getting and what to expect most of the time.  SBs on the other hand, in my experience are somewhat hard to nail down. Most are not looking for a traditional SB/SD relationship and are in it for a quick buck.  Yes, they are good for an occasional night out/ dinner date/movie etc at a much lower overall cost.  So, there are benefits and drawbacks to both.  You can find much more about it on THE EROTIC HIGHWAY discussion board.  Also reddit has a subreddit dedicated to it.

woman (or I guess men in some circumstances) who offer themselves on on-line forms, the most famous of which is Seeking Arrangements (SA), and who are ostensibly not professionals in the traditional sense but rather civilians who would like to meet (generous) men for romantic (read: sexual) encounters.

SB stands for sugar-baby, the female member of the dryad, while SD stands for sugar-daddy, her counterpart.

For a much more in-depth look at the whole enterprise, spend some time on the Erotic Highway Board which has become the de-facto  board for such shenanigans

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I could probably write a novel on this.  When TER went dark, I didn't know what to do.  I kept in contact with the most recent providers I had met, but they came around less and less.  There was no way to meet someone new without it being a total shot in the dark.  A friend of mine told me about SA.  It took me about six months of dabbling with the website before I finally joined and started making contact.  

I lost a lot of money early on. ha.  At first, it was girls just wanting to trade photos.  It was it fun at first meeting girls and texting photos back and forth.  But, $50 here and $50 there added up really quick for something I could find online.  Then, I learned about single moms and scams.  Single moms have a special place in my heart and I met several and just couldn't say no.  Scam or not, they legitimately had kids and needed help.  But, I still was not meeting anyone and money was flying out the window.  

I was about to give up and then I met the first of several unicorns. ha.  I decided that I would only converse with a girl that spoke with proper grammar and had her life somewhat together.  One where an arrangement would more enhance her life, not keep the lights on.  The first one I met was a beautiful girl from Nigeria.  We had different arrangements for whether we did normal dates or more private dates.  I think this is the biggest difference between sugar versus hobby.  Girls looking for sugar are more open to discussion about rates and what can happen whereas providers have a set rate.  For example, with my first unicorn, we could go to dinner and see a movie.  We had a loose rate of $40 per hour.  So, I could spend an evening with a beautiful girl for around $150.  There was nothing physical, just two friends hanging out.  Over time, these same dates would include more of a traditional dating like hand holding and cuddling.  It was kind of great that I could get to know someone before becoming intimate since we didn't have reviews.  I can't imagine a provider spending an evening with a guy for $150.  (I remember asking one of my ATFs on here if she would be up for dinner one evening.  Her normal rate was $400 per hour and offered me a "deal" of $300 to go to dinner.  So, we never met for dinner.  ha.)  As this first girl and I progressed, we also included intimacy.  Because we got to know each other, she didn't ask for much more.  So, a full evening (2 to 4 hours) with intimacy was 300.  We did a couple overnights for 400.  She was super happy with this arrangement and the experience was just as good as some of the providers I've seen on here.  If I were to have reviewed her, she would have easily been 10/10.  So, with a sugar arrangement, I was getting an evening and overnight for the same price as an hour with a provider.  After she left the country, I went almost another year fumbling through the SA site until I found my second unicorn.  It's pretty much the same arrangement as the first one and she is super happy with everything.

But, there is a difference.  The girls are younger and not as experienced.  The first girl I talked about was 24 and the current girl that I have been seeing is 29.  I'm in my late 40's.  So, it can be a little awkward on public dates.  I have tried to find girls on the sugar site in their 30's or early 40's, but most are definitely leery of the whole process.  I would argue they are wiser and more cautious about the whole arrangement agreement.  Most have careers and children that they don't want to know about being in the sugar industry.  Here is where the hobby lifestyle shines.  Some of the best providers I've met on here are in their 30's and early 40's.   I think you get a stronger connection mentally and more meaningful conversations if that is what you are looking for.  Providers are also more experienced in pleasure.  You don't have to explain what feels good, they just know.

So, I'm torn between the two worlds.  As someone who recently started becoming the caregiver for my parents both physically and financially, I don't have the resources that I used to have.  So, my choice is left with spending an hour with a provider or spending an entire evening with a sugar.  Sometimes, I just want to go out for dinner and maybe a movie.  I find the sugars seem to be more interested in me personally and text throughout the weeks asking how I am doing.  But, I have also had several providers become friends and we have kept in contact as well.  It's a tough call between the two industries.  If I ever came into a fortune, I think I would have quite a bit of fun with both worlds. ha. ha.

Pros are much easier to schedule and performance is mostly assured.  You just show up and go. Generally you also know what they look like from their websites or social media.  But they are also typically pricier and diligent about keeping it to the hour or whatever you agreed to.  

Sugar babes (SB's) are typically chicks just looking for some extra coin.  You're never really as sure what they will look like. Often you have to have a first public meeting which is another investment in time, not counting the previous days spent exchanging emails etc.   And you chase a lot of deadends for every one that pans out.

I've never done the monthly stipend thing, I only arrange PPM (pay per meeting) so my typical offer is roughly half the hourly rate your mid to low end pros would charge.   SB's are a lot more lenient about time frames.  (They are also notoriously unprompt.  I'd say in about 90% of the cases they are late by 30-45 minutes.)

You would think they typically might be naive about sex practices, but I haven't found that at all.  I guess a gold standard on that would be how eager they are to give you a BJ ... and so far everyone of them initiated it without prompting.  

The big downside of SB's is a lot of them are always begging for money.  Which puts you in the position of either giving it to them, or having to turn them down.    They also always want to see you again (pay day) which can be annoying if they are always contacting you and you have to make excuses if you ever want to see them again.

The upside with some SB's is that they can be a lot more into BDSM (if you are into that) than pros (with no upcharge.)  

The major downside is that I'm a variety guy and SB's expect to be regular.  So I'll end up disappointing them eventually, since I will only repeat a few times (partly because my personal life schedule takes me out of play for months at a time.)

But if you like to see the same girl often, going the SB route is going to be a lot cheaper than hiring pros.   Especially if you like to go out on dates and do things as compared to just behind closed doors.

"Often you have to have a first public meeting which is another investment in time, not counting the previous days spent exchanging emails etc.   And you chase a lot of dead ends for every one that pans out."

 
P4p always appealed to me bc every girl was a "sure thing." Now for guys who like "the hunt", or guys that want something more akin to IRL dating, I am sure sugaring offers that to a much closer degree that TER style hobbying so I certainly do understand the appeal.

but too poor  to be a SD and too ugly to be a SB.

A pound of sugar costs 99 cents at the 99 cents only store.

The Pros about Sugar Babies is that you can see their full pics upfront. And you do not have to spend any money on the first date except for the meal or drinks or coffee. The bad thing about Sugar Babies is they can be lousy in bed like going thru the motions. Or they can be needy whereas an escort is not going to contact you unless you contact her.

Also some women on the SD sites are too old to be Sugar Babies. Nothing wrong with age but don't be 51 average weight and expect a guy to spoil you the same as a 22 year old hardbodied girl.

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I've done both and liked both for different reasons.  The hobby is very time efficient.  You set the appointment and spend your hour or two and you are done.  Sugar can take more time -- not only finding the right person, but often spending time at dinner, say.  You might like the dinner time, you might not.  I really enjoyed the dinner/drinks time with one SB and not so much so much with another.  A couple of points to think about:  

--I think the best quality/price ratio in the hobby -- generally -- is in the Asian agencies.  In SB, Asians are very upscale, however, and the best q/p ratio is African Americans.  (I am not denigrating any race or ethnicity here, so save the hate.)

--In general, the real advantage of SBs is that if you want longer (4-5 hour) dates you can get that for $500-600 in the sugar industry for, say, and 8/8 in TER rating system (eg, full GFE), whereas it would cost twice as much or more in the hobby.  If you want to have an overnight, sugar babies are FAR, FAR less expensive than professionals.  You would be amazed at how little you need to pay for an overnight in the sugar industry.  

Send me a note if you'd like to talk more.

Ter style is like going to a nice sit down meal more you get the more you pay but personally preferred fast food fact day old sitting on shelf pizza fine at 50cent a pizza. There there sugaree buffets where you pay one set rate and hope to get you money worth. I better at asking for sex when pay for it directly than give and expect.

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There is certainly a cornucopia of black SB's, at least here in Minneapolis area.  I was seeing a black SB last spring and she lamented that many SD's didn't want to see black SB's.  But I'm not sure it is all explained by discrimination.  The fact is that there are a lot of black SB's competing in the same market.  I found it impossible to correspond with all the potential black SB's, it would be a full time job.  You do end up being discriminating, but in the other way, by looks (which is probably just as shallow, etc etc etc.)  

haha, just kidding. It's very funny, but I have noticed the exact same thing where it comes to black SBs and Asian hookers vs Asian SBs.  

 
I don't think it's any secret just how good a value the Asian Agencies are, especially in cities where indies start in the $500 hr range, it's a rare K-Girl or Thai Girl agency that charges more than $300. But when you get into the sugar world, these American born SB's know full well their worth and usually charge a premium over what the typical white girl gets. As for black girls in the Sugar Bowl, MANY of them have let me know that racism is still alive and well in these United States of America and a whole lot of white boys, and more than a few black, brown and Asian make it clear that they have NBA policies of their own, and by necessity a lot of the black SB have lower asks than women of equal looks, but different races, I think that might explain why so often my inbox is full of introductions from black girls. I am not complaining of course, but I will confess I was a bit surprised about just how overt the racism is towards black girls in the Sugar Bowl.

 
For the record, different cities have different "norms" where it comes to SB "rates" the same as the hooker world. A good rule of thumb is that a multi hour date of say 4-6 hours with an SB "should" run you somewhere in the neighborhood of what a single hour date with a hooker of the same caliber would charge for a single hour date in the same market. Overnight rates tend to be 50-100% more than 4-6 hour dates. IOW If you are getting 5 hour dates for $400, you should expect to pay no more than $600-800 for overnight dates with the same women. Obviously this is not an exact science, but I have found that how the numbers generally tend to shake out.

The times I was tempted to go sb didn't work out for a few reasons. The purported sd in one instance was just a client being cheap. He figured he could get away with paying beans after a couple of hours of my time and energy and I was immediately turned completely off to the sb scenario. I'm intelligent, pretty, and I put out so I deserve what I deserve. P4p is the only way I will go for an sb situation and I require the donations up front. Hanging on someone's every word hoping for a Gucci bag is best left to those under 25. I am a grown ass woman with bills.

On that note, I have had a few clients over the years that revisited me regularly for years. We are great friends and the love I feel for them, even those that have had to part ways with me, is comparable to the love I have for members of my family.  

I've concluded that labels are just that - a name tag for a complicated human situation that helps other humans categorize you in their minds. Labels virtually mean shit but we will continue to use them anyway. Regardless of how you meet someone or how you get along, on some level we all seek to be in the company of someone we adore. Be open to finding someone anywhere.

But have long time ATF. Seen her 10 years now.. actually more like SB experience with her

...in the U.S. my only experience with SB had been as a lookie loo on the SA site.  I had some regulars when TER went down, and eventually those went by the wayside for one reason or another, so I signed up for a month of VIP on SA in summer 2018.  I'm an old fart and get along best with a mature women, preferably mid 40's and up.  I of course stated that on my profile, but that didn't stop the swell of messages that filled my mailbox.  Being a gentleman, I messaged those I was not interested in with a thank you.  My age preference limited my choices, as anyone who's been on SA knows, but I was having no difficulty arranging meet and greets with mature gals over happy hour after minimal back and forth on the website.  I'd call my first foray on SA extremely successful, with multiple meet and greets that went beyond that point.  Of those, 2 gals caught my fancy:  #1 was late 50's, gorgeous without makeup, and a very passionate lover.  We saw each other regularly for about a year until our schedules no longer messed.   #2 was mid 60's, slender and toned, smokin' hot, and wanted a lover, but with the caveat that her husband got to watch.  We'd get together, the three of us for drinks, then go to their house, where he disappeared.  I suspect he watched us from the darkened patio thru the undraped slider door.  This lasted several months, until I guess she found someone else.  I'd see both of these gals again in a heartbeat.  Both really turned me on and both were everything I was looking for.  I purchased another month of VIP again in summer of 2019, and it was a repeat of my first VIP experience, with multiple meet and greets and dates beyond that.  Again most didn't work out, but I met one special gal, late 40's, hot as they come, and a passionate lover.  I'm still seeing her regularly.  There are pros and cons with sugar just as there are with the hobby.  Most notable is that there are no sugar reviews, so you may have a bit more time invested before finding that it's not what you'd hoped for.  Another thing to be aware of is the prevalence of sugar asking for assistance, for whatever, outside of the date.  There are some ditsy gals in the sugar world, and some who couldn't be on time to save their life, but I've seen that in the hobby too.  Bottom line is that I'm getting sex, some of it great, some of it not so great, and that I've had zero problems with my dates agreeing to PPM.  I'm thrilled that TER is back up in the U.S.  I suspect that I'll have toes in both sugar and hobby going forward.      

I just had another previous SB turn homeless begging for assistance.  Yikes.  

I feel your pain. . .

I couldn't help but lol when I read this!

still has all of her teeth, help her out.  A lot of women in and out of homelessness a missing some, which makes them look older than they really are.  Of course, there is always the male argument for NO teeth . . . . . .

They have unending need.   Be prepared to be an ATM stuck on "dispense" until you say enough is enough.  They really need to find some government assistance agency (I don't know if there are any private charities like that anymore.)

I'm not sure I could put a price on love, but I sure as hell can put a price on sex, so for me, she's either worth it, and ALL OF THE BAGGAGE she brings with her, or she's not.  I really don't need to overthink it.  Personally, I have learned over the years not to even get started with girls I don't think I will be able to afford at some point.  

 
As soon as a girl starts escalating her demands beyond the deal they made in the beginning, I'm out.  It only gets worse if you let them "chip away."  The thing to remember is that  SB's are like commuter trains . . . . . If you miss this one, there will be another one along in 10 minutes.

....so I don't ever plan on going down that road again!

When the going rates for Escorts reached $400  I decided it was time to give SD's a chance.  It started slowly and was very frustrating but once you begin, it's easier to stay with it.  Since September, I have built up my "stable" of SB's.  I am struggling to juggle 6-8 different women at the moment.  Most likely some will fall off the radar.  But I have to tell you this: the ones that I see most often are much more satisfying than using a service.

They cost between $250-$400 per meeting but the best part, is 2 hours minimum with each.  This fall, I was spending 4 hours with one SB for $250 plus the room.  

I'm having a hard time going back to Escorts and there are very few women at the $300 level anymore.  It takes work and I almost quit several times but now that I have more than I can handle, I'm happy with this type of arrangement.

i have had a few sugar daddies and i love being a companion as well. now everyone has a bad date every once in awhile. thére are also times when u meet a gentlemen that wants to have a arrangement that works out great. the issue is when communication is lost. my answer is lets just F*ck be happy and enjoy each others company....Damnit!!!!!

they run 50-50 on the satisfaction scale.  The best situations are mature women 35-45, divorced with older or adult kids, and college co-eds who are using it as a short-term means to an end.  The late 20s to early 30's women with a lot of baggage always have too much drama and it gets old REAL fast.  

 
My best two were one in each of these groups.  I had a Norwegian foreign exchange student who was 21 and hot as can be.  Lasted through her senior year college (not high school - lol).  More recently, a Viet civvie manicurist, 42, kid off to college, 5-0, 98 pound spinner, looked 30, and all she wanted from me was HALF the rent so she could get rid of her roommate so I could spend the night.  Did not start out as P4P, nor was she looking for a SD.  We started dating and she saw I was spending about $1500 a month on hotel rooms and SHE made the suggestion we share an apartment and split the rent and utilities.  I got a key, and could spend the night anytime I wanted, which was usually two nights a week.  Even though I was still seeing one or two providers a week, I eventually got tired of the same pussy and quit.  

 
There are good ones out there, you just have to turn over a lot of rocks to find them.

There are probably a lot of 200 pound SB's that won't think you're ugly.  Lol

Being married, hobbying allows me to "connect" when it is most convenient for me.  Sounds pompous, but definitely do not mean it that way.  A SB relationship would require more time than I have for hobbying.  Plus, only pay for what I use (sounds like an insurance commercial).

 
Feel fortunate my hobbying experiences have not been as impersonal as this post sounds.  In spite of my limited availability, have forged close relationships with some very special providers who I make sure to compensate well.  Some we would mutually consider each other friends.

I did both a few years ago. The SBs seemed to much like expensive baggage and flaky so hobby in and out