I may get flamed for this but I find this provocative...

This moral question occurred to me as I was waiting in line getting lunch and admiring the appearance of a young lady I would guess is around 19-20.  (I see her there frequently.) For my tastes she has a *great* body and face.  So here she is working for what I would guess is $6 per hour preparing my lunch.  I don't partake in the hobby often, but when I do it's usually a 2-3 hrs for $700-800.  Though it's hard to imagine exactly how this conversation would work, it's not hard to imagine that the prospect of making 2 weeks income in 2-3 hours might be awfully tempting to a "non-pro" lady.  So the question is... (ignoring the logistics of how you would bring this subject up), if you thought the answer was going to be yes would you ask this young lady for a date, also knowing that there is a high likelihood that you may be changing her life forever? (and I think it must be said, not necessarily for the better.)  In other words would you corrupt her?

Extra credit:  Even if you aren't willing to be the first to corrupt her, how are you different if you are say the 5, 10 or 15th client she's ever had?

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Slip her your number. Tell her the pay is $400 hourly but she won't get free tacos.

I have had the same thought as you, cableguy: "Honey, you could be making in one hour what it now takes you a week to earn. Why are you wasting your talents?"

These are only thoughts and I have no intention, much less the testicular fortitude, to act upon these thoughts. However, I must admit it bothers me a little to even think this way and maybe it means I have been hobbying too long.

No flames here. Been there. Done that with great results maybe seven times. Twice a year is a Good Samaritan goal! LOL.

From Waffle House or Hooters (great place to look) to $250/hr is a nice step. Of course HB would overstate the case and mislead the young noviate, a bad way to start. If in your shoes, I would slip her a note asking her to meet at a very nice non-threatening place for a drink after work, with your contact info, and a great job you've "heard about."

Don't insult her by putting down waitressing. She'll get defensive or feel very bad. Get to know her, then make the suggestion.

It can be a much better life than being married with the burden of kids to some beer guzzling ballgame-watching f*rt lighting couch potato in a boring suburb, doomed to an agonizing cookie cutter existence.

She can save, get training & an education to her liking, then have a far more interesting life than fixing you lunch.
Go for it, and tell us about it! Try it on a few young Hooters girls too!

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Lots of different things, but first you have to define for yourself (and it's different for each of us), what is moral and what is corrupt. For me working in this 'biz is a moral act, and a good act in many many ways, and as for corrupted... well, from what honey? Corrupted from the twisted, convoluted, ridiculous theories of morality that pass as "mainstream" in this country???? LOL I was corrupted from THAT many many years ago when I was still... um... "a good girl" so to speak.  You cannot decide if that is a moral act or not, until you decide how you feel morally speaking about this industry as a whole.

Hugs*
Nicole

One of my TER buddies and I have had this conversation many times. We quickly discovered that we both had the same thoughts when we spied a minimum wage hottie. Neither one of us has had the balls to do anything about it so cableguy, you are hereby nominated to give it a whirl.

On the flip side, I know of a provider who recently took up waitressing. I wonder if she will return to the fold after the hundredth customer screams "where's my drink?"

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Cable Guy,

This is an interesting quandry.  To proposition/solicit or not to is the question?  

Ask 10 people, and you will get 10 different responses - MORALITY issue included.  

In terms of morality, that is rather subjective.  The ONLY way you are going to find this out is by engaging is a friendly conversation ... and taking things from there.

The real question here is -- how much are you willing to risk?  Are you morally comfortable making such a proposition?  If so, say for instance, you make your move and get turned down.  Now she knows your true intentions, and more likely than not will react accordingly.  No more "soup" or "sandwich" at that shop.

On the other hand, as the cliche goes ..."nothing ventured nothing gained".  If you play your cards correctly ... hmm you might be eating cherry!  

During my college days, I have been fairy lucky in these exploits.   I managed to seduce my way with waitresses from Hooters, and strippers from top clubs.  They all talk a good game about morality/ethics.  But, there are always a few loose canons just waiting to explode! At the end of the day, with the help of Mr. Booz, Mr. Green ($$), and gentle persuasion the proposal is given serious consideration.  

At times I have scored, and on a few occassion there was absolutely no budge.  They were flattered, but no dice.

So, all I can advise you my friend ask her out.  Get to know her.  Playfully ask her what her opinions are on ethics, morality, and life.  Investigate what her limits are in terms of earning money.  Stir her ever so gently in the direction of ... would she ever consider stripping, etc.  Watch her body language.  IF she is open about this, and it's not a taboo subject ... push the envelope gradually.  

At the end of the conversation, you will have your answer.

Peace!



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I'd be careful not to offend her, or you might be looking for a new place to eat. Your best bet would be to gradually guide the conversation in right direction vs cutting to the chase.

Good luck!!!!!!!!

Lisa

You go up and ask.
Statistically speaking, if you have the balls to
go up and ask as many girls you find attractive
about your propsed question, you will find some
that will say yes.   I would, however,
recommend that you do it outside of the area
you work or live in.

question and understand what is being asked BEFORE giving an answer. Cableguy is asking a moral question, not one that has to do with how do I ask her ("ignoring the logistics of how you would bring this subject up"). What are the moral implications of leading her into a possible life of prostitution, and (extra credit part)how does this differ from contributing to (seeing)  someone who is already working in the profession. At least Poon tries to address the issue by stating that leading her into this profession may not be a negative. It may actually be helping her in the long run. Whether that point of view is right or wrong is not the issue, it is at least a valid argument that leading her into prostitution is not "corrupting" her. Sorry John and Kama, discussing the risks to Cable is interesting, but again, does not address the moral issue at all. Great question Cableguy. My rant is already too long so I will give you the Reader's Digest answer........you slip her a note with your......LOL. (Geez boss, you can be such a sanctimonious asshole sometimes; thanks guys, I knew YOU would unnderstand).

I'm not fully sure if morals come into play here.  Its immoral to let a man with a stick and a string die of starvation just because he hasn't thought of tying them together in order to go fishing...I hope this makes sense now.  Perhaps if you would teach your pretty friend how to "fish" she could avoid going hungry, and thats a good thing by most accounts; after all, she obviously already has the "stick" and "string" (the beautiful face and body you wrote about), but she hasn't managed to put it all together on her own.
  Unfortunately, nothing is ever THAT easy.  Its not the moral question that would worry me.  It is, as your fellow hobbyists point out, the bravery that it will take to undertake this mission.  Remember, they say that a long time ago Jesus Christ was born to a VIRGIN mother.  Women's premarital sexuality had long been looked upon with a jaundiced eye, but ever since the birth of Christ pre-marital sex of any kind has been kind of a no-no.  Sorry about the pseudo-history lesson, but you should know what you are up against if you try to win this girl over to the "dark side."  People aren't quite so "Christian" anymore, but the values of the religion are now the values of the society in general.  If you pose the question outright, she is likely to feel confused, insulted, or indignant; her appraisal of you will change from "Creepy, older guy who leers at me," to "Creepy older guy who wants to molest me."  The choice is yours.

I'm with Heather on this one, you can't corrupt someone who does'nt wish to be corrupted.  She'll read the note, call you, or not call you.  You may wish to get tacos somewhere else for a while.

Well, yeah, I didnt address the moral question because I think that it is just such a stupid thing to do that you should realize that you shouldnt do it even before you consider the moral implications.

Morally, no, I wouldnt do it.  But that is just my opinion.

Well maybe it's the way I posed the "moral question."  Purelust is correct, I was not asking whether or not I should approach the girl who INSPIRED the question.  I wouldn't.  My question was, given the circumstances laid out, would anybody else?  I have read reviews where hobbyist are thrilled to have found some new provider who is 18-20.  So I thought someone might have a different take on this than me.

Frankly what I find harder to reconcile is, if I'm not willing to "corrupt" an innocent 18 year old, than why am I willing to participate in the hobby at all?  Does me being a provider's five hundredth client make me any better than her first?  Personally I try to select providers closer to 30 because, in my rationalized mind, she's old enough to have made an informed decision, and I certainly don't feel like I'm exploiting them based upon the money I’m paying for their time.

The bottom line is I'm probably a hypocrite...  Then again life is full of contradictions.  If I had to slaughter a chicken in order to eat it I would be a vegetarian, but I'm perfectly willing to eat it if someone else does the dirty work.

We used to get laid without paying for it. (I know some will say we actually paid more, but I mean direct payment for the act).

Why not try to woo the young lass into your bed without offering to pay her. I hear some women like sex enough that they actually don't require an envelope on the nightstand!

If that fails, buy the damn restaurant and fire her!

~carl



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Altho my answer is another question, because it boils down to, what do YOU consider moral? And another question which Heather DID bring up, which is... do you really believe that if someone is moral, you can "make" them be immoral (if that's your belief, that this is immoral)???

I do not consider this profession to be immoral in any way, shape, or form. The only immorality I see in it are those ladies who hate it, but do it for reasons of their own, which I don't understand... there's always another way, altho it may not be as "easy" in some ways. When I see indications that a lady hates this job and is simply enduring it but letting it break her down inside, THAT is when I see an immoral situation. I love my job, I love what I do, I glory in it, and there is no immorality in my happiness.

Hugs*
Nicole

What is immoral? Having sex or making money?

Carl,

You make a good point.  I like the notion of being in power ... and using it -- with legal parameters, ofcourse!

- W  W  W

Please do tell, what exactly is it that brings you happiness?
Just curious...