(name deleted),

 I thought about what you said about seeing "normal" women and it made me want to puke blood. In the last 6 months I have had the pleasure of the intimate company of some of the greatest ladies I've ever met. beyond being beautiful and sexual they were ABOVE ALL honest. Thats streets ahead of what I've found in
NON-providers. NON-providers have a universal desire to twist the
basic need for companionship into a sick dance of piety, false virtue, obligatory prudishness and a hidden financial agenda that makes a $500/hour provider more like Mother Theresa. I think (provider name deleted) said it best  "I have what you want, You have what I need". F#ckin to the bone honesty,
I love it!. It took me 46 years to find this kind of honesty out of the feminine gender. My mother brainwashed me and kept me from the "fast" girls while I was growing up. Left me with no ability to pick up the "hot" girls but rather settle for the "nice/plain" girl who will lull me into a false sense of security, deny and chastise my desire for the erotic then tear my balls & heart out when they find they can no longer manipulate me as they want to. NON-providers can eat sh@t and die. their a bunch of overweight, attitude ridden, lying, hypocrite skank that can look to barnyard animals for companionship. F*ck em! Then let your dog f*ck em but sure as sh^t don't trust'em or give your heart to them.
   Give me providers or give me a massive fatal f#ckin heart attack. Just Don’t give me those self righteous bitches who think that love is needling and be-littling a man till he wishes he was dead. Yes(name deleted); I spent the last 7 years of my marriage wishing each day that I would not make it home from work alive. A paragon of respectable womanhood(my wife)made me THAT miserable. Thats a f#cked frame of mind in anybody’s book and I don't ever want to go back there again.
 So please (name deleted) don't ever mention dating "normal" women ever again to me.  

 
Maybe I should go to the pistol range to decompress.

 Your Buddy

 (name deleted)

I understand you Brother, I feel as you do. I am going on 10 years and wouldn't mind if she never came home one day!!!

WITHOUT VAGINAS ,WE WOULD NOT EVEN TALK TO THEM. GLAD YOU HAVE FOUND THE BETTER WAY.

"I don't pay for sex...I pay for them to leave afterward."

I'm not quite sure what this posting is about, but it is good to get things off your chest once in awhile..Feel better??

I'm sorry that you've had such bad experiences with 'normal' women and glad that you have had certainly better experiences with Providers.

While I have a very few wonderful 'girl' (female) friends, most of my really close and best friends are guys. Supposedly, good friendships in mixed gender isn't supposed to happen (When Harry Met Sally) but I can tell you that they DO!

In SUPPORT (kind of?) of what you're saying between 'normal' women and Providers, I CAN and WILL say this. The Providers that I have met and befriended in SD, are truly the most amazing and fun women I've ever met. Usually, women are not so great with other women - there's the competiveness, the BS, the jealousy, etc that's common (which is why I often avoid friendships with women), but when I met these ladies, we instantly had such a loving comeradie, a closeness, an intimacy.
Just doing what we do lends to being very accepting, very open and I think very caring of each other.

Now, onto this 'NORMAL' thing that I think you might have preferred to choose another word? (hopefully?) As the way it was worded both times leads one to think that Providers are not normal, or are some sort of deviates. Granted, you can't lump us all together and there are many walks of life and lifestyles under that "Provider" label, but most of the ones I know are as 'normal' if not more 'normal' than it could get. We have careers, own businesses, have husbands or SO's, children, go to school, etc.

For so many of us, being a Provider is the absolute best of all worlds. It satisfies so many things that I couldn't list in one posting, but have said these things before (do a post search).
For one, while many of us love the company of men, the attention of men, and certainly the close intimacy with men, we are not necessarily interested in dating (in the 'normal' way), having a boyfriend, or looking for a husband! And 'normal' dating has an objective, doesn't it? Which is to what? Find a compatible person to have as a monogamous (perhaps) SO, or a future mate - both of which most of us are NOT interested in!
The Provider/Client relationship is perfect because there's an understanding of what they both want and need. A pleasant evening - the company of a charming, intelligent person, attentiveness, attraction, a nice dinner, fine wine, and great sex. And then, we go HOME! No strings, no false expectations, no whining about 'why haven't you called me?', no BS.
Is it any wonder that this is becoming more and more the 'norm'? The Millenium way of Dating?

So, maybe we should just do this - enjoy PEOPLE. Enjoy sharing good things, and being good to others and allow others to see the difference that makes in US.

Much love,

Sedona


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in the biz, had some great times and definitely some great s$x. And everything is just fine at home with the SO. I look at the hobby as a way to add some extra spice to life, nothing more or less..........MfSD.

The punchline I have heard is that without a pussy, there would be a bounty on them.  Crazy bastard that I am, even if pussy is impossible, I love them all.

-- Modified on 5/26/2003 11:48:06 PM

Why dont you clarify what relationship issues you're alluding to AngelStar. Mr Rant seems to be quite articulate in his feelings. Can you also be??

-- Modified on 5/26/2003 11:48:40 PM

you took some of those words right out of my mouth!

i guess you thought there were not enough coming out!  >





-- Modified on 5/27/2003 2:14:05 PM

You have every right to be angry with your (ex?) wife, but remember that it was you who chose to be with her for all of that time.  Save some of your anger for yourself.

Your statement that "NON-providers have a universal desire to twist the basic need for companionship into a sick dance of piety [etc]" is completely ridiculous.  Even I can see that, and I'm in a pretty crappy marriage myself.  There are plenty of nice women out there -- you and I just found the wrong ones.

Your anger is overwhelming you and affecting your judgement.  It may kill you.  Get counselling, and feel better.

Max

Really a good string.  Home life is fine and good and warm and all that other stuff, but the hobbyist/provider relationship just can't be duplicated.  Or at least I don't know any couples where it has been.  And it's not just the sex, but also the adventure that surrounds it, the atmosphere of heat and unknown and sauciness and physical challange.  And maybe most of all, it's the unburdened desire of both parties to really excite and make it happen for the other.  That "unburdened" thing I think is the key - couples just are loaded down with baggage no metter how serene, and that always, always gets in the way of the things we see providers for.

Unfortunately max I don't have the billion that your name implies(I'm just a working man) so counselling would eat up my limited "Hobby Money". Giving some rich shrink my hobby money so he can try to brainwash me(like my mom) to find value in sexually repressed, fridgid, feminist, attitude ridden scale-breakers that can't extract their sausage fingered hands from a KFC bucket is a sure bet for some REAL anger to surface.
  I'll just continue to LOVE providers and HATE the civilians if its all the same to you.

 Since you brought it up max...

  I stayed with the Ex as long as I did because:

(1)I was raised "old school" and you always worked to keep the marriage together.
(2)I sure as hell wasn't going to walk; Leaving HER the house that I'd been making payments on for 13years. I orchestrated it so yours truly got the house and not that selfrighteous PollyAnna.

 As for plenty of nice women out there.

I don't consider useing a guy for several dinner dates etc., then telling him "can't we just be friends???" the epitome of "nice"
Like I said "Providers are above all...honest"

 My anger is not overwhelming me. I live in SoCal. I'm merely adapting to my enviroment.

  Thanks for your concern
    IOR

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Sedona,

Between you and Silky, there is more combined wisdom on this board than any other 100 random posts combined.  The two of you sound like people who would make great friends as well as great providers.  Wish I knew both of you.