but ladies by all means feel free to add your .02.

There is a kind of debate surfacing on the Vegas board. Some guy has come on asking ladies to e-mail him for a date....not an "escort" date but a personal date. He has mentioned he has tickets for a concert and the "room" is all paid for.

Now the point I have tried to make is that TER is an Escort Review Site where ladies advertise their availability ect. These women go on dates for a Living. They get PAID for time and companionship. I, along with a couple of others suggested he try Love@aol, adult friend finders ect. and he told us to piss up a tree. But the over whelming responce from most of the guys is "Hey why not..give it a try, some lady might say yes". Only one other lady responded and she did it under an alias. And I don't blame her..LOL

Guys would you actually cruise an internet escort board looking for a date you didn't want to pay for? And ladies, how often would you actually entertain the thought of saying yes? Now in my time I did go out to dinner and a show or two with my clients off the clock, but they were well known to me and I had a repore' with them that allowed me the comfort to spend time at dinner with no problem. But what I am just not understanding is why someone would think that asking a bunch of women who get paid for their time...all of their time...is really appropriate. The question was raised if it was for just the concert why did he mention that his room was paid for.

Maybe I have become too cynical in my retirement but it's like I told him, TER just isn't the place to look for a date you don't want to compensate for.

Any thoughts?
xoxo

dating sites are a waste of time (lavalife, AFF, etc).  trying to score "dates" on the internet is even more futile than trying to score with civilians in "real life"  

half the time the profiles you find on these sites are FAKE, manufactured by the owners to attract chumps to join and keep the even chumpier from leaving once having joined. why i've even seen pictures of models grabbed off women's magazines and whatnot with fake profiles of the girl next door pasted in and hired hands (jobless slobs) hired to respond to inquiries pretending to be the women in question (i actually know of one such case for a FACT, cuz this friend of mine confided in his buddy that after designing parts of this website the owner asked him if he wanted to make some "extra money" on the side "handling their emails" LOL)

ultimately my opinion is that the old tired cliche of the gal on the other side of the ethernet cable is actually a guy is really NOT such a cliche.  if you factor in the %s of men/women on the net and then take a look at the (apparently) 50-50 mix of genders on dating websites, i think you pretty much have your confirmation of the shenanigans going on behind the scenes

still, this never seems to stop some folks from wasting their times

oh yes, sorry Lass, i think i got on a tangent there  LOL ... to answer your question i don't think it's "appropriate" to ask providers for a date  ... but god forbit i, singleton, should pontificate on what's appropriate on this board  

Yeah ... adultfriendfinder, alt.com and churchfinder are all the same company and it's pretty much .. umm .. not a ripoff exactly (unless you're dumb enough to PAY) but a real waste of time.

And no ... I wouldn't cruise TER for a non paid date.  And it's not that there aren't ladies out there that don't go to concerts. It's more like:

A) Most of the better ladies n TER make more money than their clients do, so if they really wanted to see Wayne Newton in concert, they could afford the thousands of dollars in therapy that they need without a strangers help.

B) Concert dates, etc. take lead time to schedule so I'd think that if a girl I'd never met accepted my offer today .. then eight days later one of her highest rollers came into town, she'd probably opt for him at the last minute and cancel her date with me to see The Little River Band.

C) Any provider worth taking to a concert already has a stable of clients that would love to see her, off the clock, to take her wonderful places and do wonderful things ... so why would she accept a date with someone who is a total stranger ... but moreover, a stranger that cruised the internet for blind dates!

In the words of Groucho  "I wouldn't care to join a club that would have ME for a member."

Why would I want to spend an evening with any woman who's standards so low that she'd go out with ME?

guess asking wouldn't hurt, unless he is fragile and the laughing gets to him.  EXPECTING someone to say yes is another story.

IMHO, The internet is a place where information is exchanged and business is conducted.  The old saying "Don't mix business with pleasure" doesn't really apply to TER does it?  I don't believe people should make decisions for others and what they should or shouldn't do or post.  What might not be appealing to one person may be appealing to another so unless there is a rule prohibiting such a post it should be allowed.  Then people can make their own decision whether to respond or not.  If no one replies then the poster will know that there is no interest in his offer, however there may be, you never know until you try.    My .02

It sounds like a wacko found his way into the Vegas Discussion Board.  My suggestion: Ignore the weirdo.

...and decided against replying because of my high disdain for that guy's responses when people told him how deluded he was.  But, as long as you, Lass, originated a discussion, I guess I'd put in my .02

Obviously, to me anyway, this guy's looking for, what we call in technical terms, a freebie.  To mention that the room's paid for is IMHO just an open invite to a gal to continue the concert horizontally after the music has ended. He believes that the concert in and of itself, plus his charismatic personality and charm, is more than enough payment for the time and attentions of some high quality LV provider.  What he doesn't know is that there are so very few of us that have that much charisma (LOL, just kidding folks, no flames please!).

So I grade him a B for effort, and a D for tact.  And he fails in the originality department.  

Love Peace and Happiness to you, my Lass!

F.

"the (apparently) 50-50 mix of genders on dating websites"

I can't speak for all such sites, but I've frequented a few of them.  In AFF's case, looking over the state-by-state search listings you'll find the nominal ratio is approx. 5 to 1 male/female.  However, about 97% of the males are only looking for hetero contacts while only about 50% of the women are looking for men, so the realistic ratio is closer to 10 to 1.  Of those people, the vast majority of men are looking only for casual-sex hookups, while probably only 5% of the women are looking for similar situations - when you get past the profiles that are fakes to lure you to pay porn sites, as well as the providers trying to drum up business (there are a lot more of these than you might suspect,) most women on those sites are looking for a white knight to save them from their boring marriage, NOT no-strings, casual sex.  Very, very few are more than average-looking at best, relatively few are "height-weight proportional", almost all have neuroses and psychological issues ranging from mild to severe, and most have completely unrealistic expectations of what kind of man they will be able to snag (you know: the 40+, 5'1", 200-lbs mother of 4 living in a trailer, thinking she can get away with being picky enough to get a GQ covermodel.)

These sites are filled with fools living in a fantasy - of BOTH sexes.

and you'd think that his "charismatic personality and charm" would secure him the company of a lovely civilian who's coming along cuz she genuinely wants to, no? ...

so why even resort to asking professional escorts to do the same?

if anyone finds out which provider gal eventually went along on this date, please give me her contact info!

is what i said (apparently)  ... i don't know about AFF really, what i do know however is since my initial sign-on with AFF (a while ago) i've been getting no end of spam ... lavalife looked a bit more gender-balanced to me but that was a while ago ... the specific one(s) i was referring to were not general public dating sites, but professional singles sites (like for lawyers, doctors, whatnot) ... that example i gave of a male staffer masquerading as a female and getting paid for it was for a members-only dating/referral site for one of these professions

btw, do you have the email address for that "40+, 5'1", 200-lbs mother of 4 living in a trailer" ?  ... i may know a GQ model who might be interested!  


fantasy indeed ... at least with TER you KNOW you are getting the goods

I agree! It's very sad so many people vented on this post. If you do not ask, you will never know.

"I did go out to dinner and a show or two with my clients off the clock, but they were well known to me and I had a repore' with them that allowed me the comfort to spend time at dinner with no problem"

First, it's 'rapport', and second - you're saying you have no problem f'ing a stranger but dinner and a show is outside your comfort zone?

We have some intimacy issues, don't we?

well as I said on the vegas board, we do anagrams, movie quizzes, pick the superbowl winner and on and on and on on the boards.  The guy was a paid member.  I would suspect clients make up the vast majority of paying customers.  People are free to pick and choose what messages they want to respond to.

So if the guy fraudulently representing himself as a former pro football player wants to try and get a date, who cares.  You yourself responded to me that you didn't really care.  Some guy on the PS board is trying to explain to everyone how to get a free date with a porn star (everyone immediately switches to the PS board).  At least this guy is upfront about it.  Except he didn't say what the concert is (hope it isn't his niece's 8th grade halloween pageant).

I was unaware that the boards were intended to allow providers to advertise and that purpose only.  I would hope we only moderate mean and malicous stuff and not idiotic fantasies such as that one.

My .02

going to reply but your post makes no sense to me.

But I will give you the spelling error. I never claimed to spell worth a shit and thanks, now I know how to spell that particular word. The rest, well think what you want, but no, there are no intimacy issues here.

and it is "God" not "Ghodd"

-- Modified on 9/8/2003 7:23:21 PM

I wonder if you might have some "comprehension" issues.

This guy seems to want more than dinner and a show, since he mentions that he has procured a room.  He is trying for a freebie.  

I fail to see how any of this would relate to Celtic having an intimacy issue.


.....my $.02 worth

I never said I didn't care. These boards are not just for ladies to advertise, I never said that either. I said it is a place for them to advertise and post.

My issue was that I made a sggestion along with a couple of guys and everyone jumps my back for having an opinion. And no one seems to care that he came back acting like an asshole after the intial post went up.

Yes these boards are for a great many things. I love the anagrams, trivia ect. It breaks up the daily grind and we all have fun.

I tried to be helpful.

Lass imported the issue from the LV board to the General Dissucission Board.  Why, if not to make an issue?  Take Care

It might effect the price of potatoes in South Dakota?

"Why, if not to make an issue?"

sake of discussion
to share on this board
make conversation....

Actually I was trying to get a general feel on the subject. There were so many sarcastic responces on the other board I was beginning to think maybe I had missed something in the over all question. Thats it. No intimacy issues, not trying to stir the pot, honestly just curious as to what the rest of the posters think.

Well look at the guy's posts on the Vegas board, he has all the markings of a troll at work.  Ignoring trolls is the most painful thing you can do to them.

We wouldn't be here if we didn't.

Guess what i did, I sent myself a 3MB file to my e-mail.  So it took all the space.  All spams have been bounce back to the sender.
Two months later, I had no more incoming spam.  LOL

This guy is not a moron or discourteous.  He is merely a normal clever, cheap and predatory man.  He wants something for nothing.  A great deal if you can get it.  So, why not ask?  It is a fact that if there are 100 providers, there will be 5 of them who are in the bottom 5% of the intelligence pool of the provider group.  There will always be suckers in any large group of people.  Telemarketers count on just this concept.

I applaud his initiative and acumen.  Somebody has to wise up the stupid or naïve providers and why shouldn't it be him?  He gets a freebie, she gets an education.  A good deal for all concerned.  I am sure some fool took him up on his offer.

Mind you, he is no more predatory or silly than the non porn star provider who wants $1,000 for an hour of her charms.  She is counting on a sucker coming along.  Most of these girls find out that the fool population is much smaller than she thinks it is.

There is a "sucker" born everyday..Thats why we are here. I just prefer the BBBJ ones *EG* .

that post as being any more ridiculous than all the other absurd posts that make their way to the boards? Flames, wars, spam, vendetta's, shilling, etc... posts all seem to make their way to the board, what's one more dumb question in the mix.

The court of public opinion will probably convince such posters to think twice before posting anything absurd in the future!

Did someone say Godot? Ohhhh you said Ghodd. Im still waiting for Godot. By the way, are my trousers still off?

Reon't be an ass, Singleton

If you have a problem with the substance of a post, address it as these other good people have. Attacking something like a name in an attempt to insult or embarass simply points out your lack of ability to refute the post.

Kudos to the rest of you for sucking up to the lady - hope it pays off in those unquantifiable little freebies that you're angling for as transparently as the guy with the concert tickets was.

Ladies, don't be so afraid someone might get laid for free - after all, that's what really outrages you.

Peace out.

you haven't even read your own play ("No Exit") ... cuz if you had you'd know that my post WAS in fact in reference to the topic being discussed

but no matter, this response to you was really an aberration (it most likely won't happen again, so you have nothing to worry about). i've decided that engaging cowards who hide behind aliases and then indiscriminately attack providers on this board is the least interesting use of my time (and providers')

a real man (existential or not) wouldn't hide behind an alias (unless it was a well-known one with a background and history known to folks on these boards of which there are many credible examples on TER) ... but then who said anything about real men, right?

Reon't be an ass, Singleton

To whom is Singleton sucking up? It certainly isn't me. Chances are about 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to 1 that Singleton and I will ever fuck - for free or not. We're in love with each other, and we're getting married. Everyone knows there's no sex after marriage

Of course it outrages me that someone would get laid for free! I tell my friends all the time how silly it is to give it away when they could be getting paid for it. Only when I was young and dumb did I allow someone to f*** me for free.

Assuming, that is, you aren't a polygamist or into long distance marraiges, and after you two marry that you would live in the same city.

I mean, I would never get a word in edgewise!

this post so ridiculous?  Or am I missing something here?

I have to agree with you. I find it rather odd a man would go to a board such as this lookiing for a "date" and not think he would have to pay for our time.

You are right my dear. Take the advice and support you gave me recently...

Love you, miss you terribly...


Brooke

And they say the bookies would be in a deep hole if it ever happens this year (or if either team comes close).

A few comments:

1) That guy will probably get someone to take him up on his offer.  I've seen a lot of touring providers (and just plain tourists) coming into Vegas looking to do something, cheap or free. A free concert, maybe drinks, etc. is enough for someone to bite.  If he thinks it's going anywhere else (free sex), I wish him luck but he has a better chance of hitting Megabucks unless he has a mickey (or is it G) up his sleeve.

2) The tone of the thread on the Vegas board did go south fast.  Why fan the flames with a response if you just wanted to stay outta the fire?

3) If going out for dinner, drinks, dancing, etc. and then having sex later (while not paying for it) is free, I've been pissing away a shitload of money on women.

Bob

The first time i ever met a provider from the internet, after buying my first computer, i met this perfect black girl here in LA. I had never-ever paid 300 before but dam she was hot. After, I asked her out. A week or so later we went out to Miyagis for sushi, she didnt charge me and we then spent the night cuddling (she did let me jerk off to get rid of my blue balls lol). She took the night off just to hang with me and im no Brad Pitt.
Bottom line guys, if you dont ask you wont get a yes. Sometimes people click. Me and her didnt work out cause her drug problem was too strong and she lived in LA and me in OC and its too far to deal with that drama.
But that all being said, I wouldnt expect him to get a yes in the website aimed at working girls, who have never met him lol.
But hey it didnt cause any harm for him to ask.