Someone on another board posted ask a question about if age really matters:

This was my response…

As I have gotten older, wiser AND after post-covid I have seen prices sky rocket and have seen more and more opportunist.  I have slowed down due to the fact that the institution has change in many ways.  Ways that I can no longer afford nor deal with the scams, the gouging nor the lack of integrity that was out there 10+  years ago.  I no longer have the time to TOFTT nor get catfished at the cost of $xxxx to get the sub-par service.  To me it’s not about age but it’s about the quality out there today.  I remember the day when you create a bond, got to know each other and hang out but yet today it cost you $ just to hang out.  There was a community and friendships that arose.  There really was a family environment. Maybe I’m not privy to that anymore but it was a different time. $800 - $1200 for an hour with a early 20’s girl is no longer in my wheel well let alone a $1000 per hour 50 something.  Now deposits everywhere and you don’t even know if they will show up to bat. I’ve been black balled “as I have heard” because I ask one too many questions.  I’m not an emailer.  I want to hear a voice on the phone and ask my questions and be done with it. That’s all. Made things personal.  A voice. The back and forth email is where I got in trouble. Why? You ask one too many questions via email now I’m wasting their time and its black ball time.  Now its no longer a personal transaction it now business. I dislike the industry and I hope to find that one girl that I can connect with and keep her for life…. I’m so over the hobby.
So to answer your question…. There is no average age.  It’s all about what you want to accept and chance.
Average age???  They’ll take your money regardless it’s what you want to accept as services paid in full.
I’m sure like the post does take your shots but am I wrong?

I get it guys but maybe it’s time to call it quits.

That’s my .02

SP

PS I’m not angry I’m just stating the facts and the romanticism has faded.

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but I'm still enjoying it after some 17 years on TER, and have every intention of staying active as long as body, soul, and bank account permit.

 
And as for changing, tell me what doesn't change in this world.

 
The basics are still holding as far as I can tell.

If you want a regular in a more affordable arrangement, I would suggest going the sugar babe route. Especially if you offer like a monthly amount instead of pay per meet, they like that better and you can get a better deal.

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I have been an adult entertainer for over 20 years, and it’s never going to be the same. I have integrity & I’ve been ISO clients who share the same qualities as myself. I have required a deposit to book a date, since 2010 it’s nothing new for me. My donations have been the same since 2017 it’s a two hour minimum. $1,500. I just gave myself a $100 raise because the market has gone up dramatically. I’m not complaining at all, but I’m not competing. I see new providers posting rates far higher & they’re getting it. Some people have no issues with compensating. I only advertise here on TER, P411 & Twitter. I’m not on every platform paying for escort advertising. I’m reevaluating how I can continue because this is not fun. All the work that goes into booking a date is time consuming. Finding a person who can send all your booking information in 1 email is extremely hard. You may have to go back & forth 20+ times just to gather the information that’s need & it’s clearly posted on a personal website you pay to update. I am here a provider with integrity who never scammed, or stole a deposit, but I keep seeing people get taken advantage of & I am a genuine trustworthy person.

Hello im a provider in Las Vegas I'm sorry you have to deal with the complications of finding a provider. I've been independent of over 6 years and I have found that fake ads or ppl with bad intentions are my competition. I say this because the agencies have more knowledge and funds to post on every website several times a day. Unfortunately, clients see a lot of these ads with the 21 years old saying is open to whatever for such a low price. Many don't look more into it and end up with a scammer at their door due to lack of patience and research. Ive experienced times men telling me how a girl agreed to have fun and do whatever for two hundred which sounds suspect unless you offer massage like myself.  I appreciate when potential clients ask me for reviews or a phone convo because that shows they are real and actually cares who comes over. Just like you us women providers are dealing with the same issues as you , don't let that stop you from hobbying.

I don't even think we can get to the stage of whether one should care or not, when we can't even get to the stage of knowing who's telling the truth.  (I speak in general terms, not your specific case.)

I posted this on the wrong topic.  Ignore.

Why don't you just report your own post and ask TER to remove it?

Really? BITOD providers just "hung out" with you? For free? Were you driving a horse and buggy at the time?

Well, BITOD you had to negotiate the yellow pages or the back pages of a weekly newspaper and who knows who the hell was going to show up at your door. Yes--women answered the phone back then, and if you dared say the phrase "full service", you were likely to be hung up on. So a woman might very well show up, collect the fee and then start the upsell.

And if you're looking for a family environment where you pay women to fuck you, well, you and I have a very different idea of family.  

As for the price increases, for the 1000th time on this board, yes, prices have gone up. So what? I just drove by a gas station that's charging $6.79 for a gallon of regular and a studio apartment in a decent neighborhood will run you $2500 a month. It is what it is.

I don't claim to be a representative sample, but in the last 24 months I have fucked more 9s and 10s--and watched them fuck each other--than in my first 10 years of P4P combined. They were raunchy, hot and fun. At the same time, I've met one provider that I had to walk put on and a handful to whom I've given poor scores. If you can afford it, there's a lot of fun to be had with a lot of attractive and open-minded women. If you can't, we'll I can't afford Michelin-starred restaurants every month, a week at the Ritz or a closet full of Savile Row suits. Such is life.

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You made some good points Holly.

 
I am a relative newcomer to this world having only started in 2017. In these 6 years, other than prices generally going up a bit, I have noticed no changes. I have met many great ladies and have had a lot of good times. I've had very few so-so experiences and only one lousy one during these years.

 
I don't know - maybe it depends on what part of the country you're in, but I started out in NY, NJ, and CT and then came down to the DC area and haven't had any issues.

 
By the way Holly, I look forward to meeting you next month - I'm expecting you to continue my streak of having great experiences!

Love the sobriquet!

Concerning Escape from NY, I fondly remember Ernest Borgnine ("Cabbie") not wanting to drive somewhere in apocalyptic Manhattan because it was in a "bad" part of town"

I have made my share of mistakes and blunders in the realm, but now I'm in a good place. Where, you may ask, are you?

I enjoy "regular"status with about five excellent women. I treat them like Goddesses, and they are, without going overboard. They give me "regular" pricing which stays around $400. Of great benefit is they will occasionally "lend" me to one of their friends. This could be a lady just starting in the business, or a seasoned pro they believe I'd hit it off with.  

So, no more "verifications" for me! I have good variety and enjoy not having to worry about being ripped-off!

This approach may work for you!

Everything you said is true.

You are right that things have changed and maybe it is time to call it quits for you. If I wasn’t enjoying myself fully regardless of what I was doing or what hobby I was a part of I would take a 5 day retreat and if that didn’t work I’d take thirty days to balance myself out.

Point being if anything has such a hold on you that it is affecting the quality of your living(clearly your frustrated shows that) then it isn’t a problem with whatever it is it’s a problem with your state of mind. Things happen that you can’t control in life if you can get over that and not take life so seriously you’ll find yourself one giant step closer to a happy life. I.e one step closer to NOT saying “why do these things happen to me”  

You go to a restaurant the bill’s $600 but your steak was only okay, are you going to now stop eating steak? No.

with you, but I can't.  You have hit the nail on the head.  I have noticed all of the things you have, and I often feel like this scene is experiencing a "sunset" from which it will never rise again to the way it was.  It's sad, but I spend a lot more of my time looking for the kinds of experiences I have enjoyed in years past, and they are getting harder to find.  Making it too much of a business destroys the fantasy, and I often find myself asking after a session where are the ladies who were passionate and acted romantic like we had 10-15 years ago.  Most providers these days are very businesslike during the session.  I'm not ready to hang up my spurs yet, but I have also been dating some civvie women lately,  There is a lot more maintenance to those kinds of relationships, but the emotions are real, so it's a trade-off.  I don't expect providers to have real emotions, but the ones who can deliver a good GFE "feel" are slowing fading away, IMO.

In an interview in 2008 on Fox and Friends on live TV they asked Ernest Borgnine how he stay so active at his age.  He answered "I masturbate a lot."  Good old Ernest.

Orlando has (had) 2 magic kingdoms.   One with a mouse and the other was a mixture of asian parlors where $$ got you a great table shower and tongues all over your body followed up with great sex by some pretty damn good looking gals.  The big parlors got busted up a few months back but there's still some good activity going on.  Mexico has some great options if Latin girls are in your favor and you'll spend much less than Orlando.  Still walk in joints, no deposits, no PII.  Just good old fashioned Ariba!

If you spend any time in the RGV in SW Texas, I've got some great stuff for you down there.  Cheap flights in and dirt cheap accomodations.  It's a bit like the armpit of the southwest but it's hot there when it's cold in the northern states so theres that.

I try not to speak in absolutes like "every" and "all" like I have done on this thread.  There are always exceptions to just about anything.  I'm talking about a "trend" not a sudden shift.  

 
I will agree that mature providers still provide the kinds of sessions that I value, but the younger ladies coming into the business do not have the same attitude you have.  The new generation does not view providing as a career that they should embrace and perfect their skills in like they would other kinds of work, but rather as a temporary solution to their financial problems, and that is NOT a sound platform from which to provide experienced customers the kinds of sessions they have become used to over the years.  I agree social media is part of the problem.  I'm sure you, and many of the other ladies who have been in the biz several years, know how to treat their customers well.  With that said, I stand by my observations of the DIRECTION this biz seems headed with the new providers who are entering. When ladies of your generation retire, what will be left?

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But this is something we CAN control if we choose to. If you feel the price is too high, just don’t partake or even boycott. Recently heard that in India they don’t have big inflation issues because they don’t tolerate excessive price increases. We tend to be sheep in this area. I do agree that when Backpage was in its heyday the gals would actually talk on the phone. The advent of texting has proved to be ground zero for scammers.

I think what matters is what you are attracted to. Don't worry about what others ask or say. If that person is in no way your type then just say it, but as nice as you can.

If you want things how they were 30 years ago, yeah it's time to hang up the hat.  I'm sorry.  

 
I have always loved TER. I am sure you know who I am from the Chicago boards and I hope to see you at Kwasi's party.  It's gonna be a banger!

 
Back in the day clients had a chokehold on us because there was not a lot of advertising options, you HAD to be a part of the community to get work.  You HAD to have TER reviews.  And clients knew it and used it.  The thought of delisting was professional suicide.  

 
It was never reviews, it was 'review culture' that changed everything.

 
We now have professional autonomy.   This was proven to me very recently when some dweebs from this forum got my profile pulled.

 
After Covid, 15 years of great reviews and launching some of the best Independent providers Chicago has I made our collective site log in only because it was always my dream to have a truly discreet system.  

 
TER said it was fine but I cant place ads, reviews / profile can stay up.  

 
I disagreed with some posters on this board about some industry stuff.  They reported me to TER for breaking TOS and had my profile removed.  Because I disagreed with them.  They discussed it backhandedly in the thread.  

 
15 years of my work, gone because 4 guys have the most delicate egos in the world.  That sucks as I was really proud of that.

 
I honestly thought it would be an issue.  It wasn't.  Didn't effect anything.  

 
I was shocked and pleased.  Back in the day it would of messed everything up.  The new generation of providers made the system fair and you have to adapt.  I promise it will be ok

 
How posters here say things are and what really happens are two different things.  I often get texted 'do I have to fill out the screening form or can I just text  you my linked-in, selfie and ID?

 
We don't require deposits or have a cancellation fee but most new patrons ask automatically where to send the deposit.  

 
And in return for that we absolutely will rock them to your core.  Everybody wins now!

You should name names of these male Karens.

Dear Snake,

Yes, it can be tough out there! I've taken my knocks and seen it all.

I finally fell into a pattern where I see about 5 regulars. We trust each other, and they know I will treat them well. I am generous, but not to a fault, and they don't push it. They let me know when they will be in town.
I do not pay their advertised price. Commission for their time is reduced because they know they are not getting a creep. One woman said being with me was "Spa Day."

Verification BS is a thing of the past.

An added benefit is that they will occasionally "lend" me to someone else (Their exact words!) This provides variety without risk.

I'm telling you because you should get to this place. It's a lot more fun.

Good Luck!

TOMD

Well, what does one have to do to get to that good place?

Many gents visit here in Vegas with large sums of $ on vacation or visiting for work.
Vegas has an over abdunance of fake ads posted by scammers and many ads posing as independent but it is really a bait and switch agency. They are open 24hrs and post several ads all day so indy's cannot compete.
I wish guys would do more research I hear quite often a guy visits town and brings a girl up to his room and gets robbed.
Then next thing PSA I don't know guys I just got robbed. Then you get Vegas sucks for the hobby which is not true.

Every now and then the OP posts this same rant about what he could get back in the days He has reached out to me twice when I was visiting his city never booked.
Funny he says he reaches out and ask a bunch of ? but never goes through with making an appt. This the same guy who wants to hangout for free as he mentions in the OP. Unfortunately,there are others who feel like him and hence the reason why many ladies are asking for deposits to avoid guys like this who are not going to book an appt. Along with the higher costs for expenses regarding touring and incall expenses.
And that is the part of the hobby that has went away guys who used to prebook appts in advance. Not just trying to get free communication which seems to be more of a norm with SOME NOT ALL

Took advise and joined this site “Seeking” …. Best advise I’ve got in years.  Girls are coming out of the woodwork to the amount that I can’t even keep up.  Just be straight up and they are game.  They ask for half the amounts that the pros are asking and its kinda sexier as they aren’t pros just straight up nymphos. It can be one meeting or you can set up a plan.  They all have been totally cool.  Wish I knew about this earlier.

SP

Sugar babe stuff is covered here on TER on The Erotic Highway forum.  (The forum name is legacy and has been about sugar babes for years.)  There are pitfalls to sugar babes (aka SB's) that beginners should be aware of.  It's also a lot more leg work setting up a relationship -- whereas with a pro you just schedule an appointment.  But once you get beyond the hurdles, fun times.

"Advise" is a verb meaning to give advice. Conan advises you that his advice is free. You should take his advice. If not, Conan advises you he will take strong measures.
You're welcome.