Now of course "some" of you, especially the very old, very fat, diabetic, or otherwise "at risk" really should be terrified of COVID because COVID really can be a death sentence to anyone with those underlying conditions, but what about the rest of us, is the virus really that scary? Here's a link that on the surface looks VERY scary, but look a little closer and you might have a change of heart, if you think rationally of course, instead of buying into the media hype that we are all going to die if we don't all hide in our basements waiting for a vaccine to save the day.

POTUS has probably stopped hobbling for the time being, if he knows what is good for him.  Old, obese, stupid.  Is that the list?

Yes, for some groups the death rate is low.  But there’s other negative consequences of COVID-19, such as:

First of all, CaCa several times made it appear he's not old.  But he is. Old enough to be in an at-risk group. Why he chose to imply he's not is beyond me but it taints his entire argument. Here's what the CDC says: "people in their 60s or 70s are, in general, at higher risk for severe illness than people in their 50s." But his greatest stupidity is his incorrect premise that, just because younger people are less likely to die of COVID they don't really need to worry about catching it and should go about their business, hobbying too.
This is irresponsibly obtuse because, first of all, NO ONE YET KNOWS all the after-effects of COVID, even with "mild" cases. One very good example is that of Eduardo Rodriguez, pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. Rodriguez is only 27 and is a HORSE. He came down with a mild case of COVID before the start of summer camp but was cleared to play again on July 18. Then an MRI revealed he had myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart. Now he's out for the season and who knows if there's permanent damage. The attached article says between 10 and 20 percent of people infected come down with myocarditis.
And this is just one example of a side effect that can impact young strong people.
So, once again, CaCa proves the old adage: DON'T TAKE MEDICAL ADVICE FROM PEOPLE ON A FUCK BOARD.
Especially our resident dimwit.

I don't really worry about MY actual risk. I worry about the ripple effects. But, am I saying something new?

Most people know not to stand in the middle of a golf course waving a nine iron over their head during a thunderstorm. Most people know to take shelter during a thunderstorm to decrease their chances of dying from a lightning strike. Others proclaim, "I DEMAND MY RIGHTS! YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM WAVING THIS GOLF CLUB DURING A THUNDER-ZOTTTTTTTTT!"  
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Most people know to wear a mask and practice social distancing to decrease their chances of getting infected with COVID-19. Others gather in dense crowds w/o masks and increase their chances of getting hit by COVID "lightning" and suffering the consequences ... and spreading the infection to many others.
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"Imagine if, in London, during the Blitz, there'd been a whole bunch of people screaming, "I'LL TURN ON MY LIGHTS IF I FEEL LIKE IT!""
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"Mask not what your country can do for you. Mask what you can do for your country."  
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"Don't let anyone tell you not to put a fork in an electric outlet. IT'S YOUR RIGHT! More people are killed by the flu, anyway."

You are correct to worry about the ripple effects. Some people are too ignorant to do so and think the know it all until they kill themselves or someone else. That's why 1,000 people a day are dying from covid.

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There needs to be a vaccine for TDS.  Good lord.

Covid has everything fucked up; seeing escorts, sports, entertainment including my beloved Vegas, the economy, people's health, travel, education, government spending (Holy Deficient Shit). Well EVERYTHING!

I do know of one provider who was based out of Florida and was on Twitter who died of COVID.  I Can't remember her name off the top of my head.

It is very unlikely that we will "kill this virus and get back to normal" in your lifetime. Normal will need to be redefined in a world where SARS-CoV-2 exists. I'm not saying what we are living now is the new normal -- cannot be. But people are going to have to live with the fact that new risks have to be factored into their choices.

Yes, the OP is WRONG on several levels (as I pointed out above) but I also think we'll get back to a new normal that's not THAT different from the old one. Why? Because at some point in the next year there WILL be a vaccine that will protect anyone who takes it. Most likely, that vaccine won't grant us lifetime protection because the virus will mutate. So, just like the flu, we will probably need a new vaccine every year. That's really no big deal because it can be packaged with the annual flu vaccine which, this year, protects against 4 different strains of flu. So.....

How do you know a safe and effective vaccine can be developed this soon? Even the biotech guys I've talked to are not that confident . It is possible but it is also possible that the vaccine will be way less than 90% effective or have serious side effects.

But when has that ever stopped him.

In fact, just this afternoon the CDC announced states should be prepared for a vaccine as early as late October or early November (what a coincidence, just in time for the election). Will it happen? Who knows. But if you've followed the Phase 3 study progress, there are several vaccines that could easily be ready within a year. Your mumps example is from decades ago and the worldwide effort for a COVID vaccine has been unprecedented. So I'll stick with my prediction.
That said, I would certainly NOT be among the first to take the new vaccine but that's a separate issue.

The point is, you’ve ignored a lot of other facts about COVID-19 in trying to paint a rosy “what, me worry?” picture of the pandemic.  

I am well aware of the trials. I am well aware they may have a vaccine soon. I only asked how SAFE and EFFECTIVE such a vaccine would be.

Sorry but that's the way I talk.
Everybody here knows that's the way I talk.
But in regular language would be like, did she get infected by a hobbyist?

I agree that there will be several vaccines available in just a few short months, but "SAFE and EFFECTIVE" we won't really have any idea until several years have passed. Some people are more afraid of the virus than vaccine that has been rushed to market. Personally, as a gambling man and oddsmaker I see my chances of dying from COVID as almost non existent, while I see my chances of experiencing serious side effects months or even years down the road from a vaccine that was rushed through trials in a panic to get "something" to market as a LOT more risky than the virus itself

IKR.

any hobbling.  Whenever I saw him he walks upright.  Not even a hint of a limp, much less a hobble.  

The risk of dying from a lightning strike in the U.S. , in any given year, is approximately 1 in 700,000 or 0.00014%.  The number of actual deaths in the U.S. in any given year from lightning strikes is about 26.  As of August, 2020, the number of COVID deaths in the 25-54 age group (safe to hobby) is about 14,000.   The death rates for lightning strikes are not parsed by age group so let's assume 50% occurred in the 25-54 age group.  Therefore, the COVID-19 death risk is at least 1,000 fold greater than being killed by lighting in 2020.  Not trivial.

Say you’re making a dinner for your family or friends in the oven.  It’s time to take it out of the oven. You know there’s almost zero risk of dying if you don’t wear oven mitts. But you put them on anyway.  Why??

You're a fucking jerk.

But I will give you credit for couching your words for maximum effect.  

that 94% of the death certificates of people who died WITH Covid-19 show additional causes of death.  That means only 6% died FROM Covid.  Consequently, the vast majority of the people that died had pre-existing conditions and were already on their way to the cemetery from the other causes listed on their death certificates.  6% of 180,000 is 1080, far less than the death rate in a normal flu season.  I won't go into the motivations on this board for the chicken-little mentality that has been perpetrated on Americans.  I will save it for P & R, but anyone that is paying attention will figure out the reason for the hoax.

I doubt that you'll have a link to support your claim. And while you're at it, don't forget to attach anything from the NIH, FDA as well. It might help you case.

By the time I realized the typo, my edit window had expired.  

But without getting into a political or cultural debate here, I'm still waiting for you to post your sources on the PR board.
There's more to it then how you're explaining it here.You really shouldn't be spreading this false narrative.

Most of the people who die from the flu are dying from cofactors as well, not really the virus.  At the end of the day other than things like accidents or poison more deaths are not just the result of one factor -- the human body is pretty resilient so generally things need to gang up on it to kill it; unless it joins the other team as well.

I have been still seeing folks since March but i have become more low volume than prior &  stay home ALOT  wear a mask if out in the public but mostly I order groceries and such in... am practicing transparency with all clients, Mostly I see folks I know well and can have candid conversations with to screen em I take my health seriously and do the same as my gym or dr does before a visit i ask questions i check temp thus  all my due diligence has worked so far ...These days after I have a guest in my home i clean EVERYTHING from sheets to door knobs when i visit folks or do leave my home i shower both before and after, as well as clean and sanitize my car interior... I am doing my best and i value my clients they have been my saving grace for years due to a lay off so only fair i take care of em in all ways i can and sad to say i no longer dfk but so much more fun to have regardless  ya know before this I used to joke the hobby made me an agoraphobic  clean freak now so not a joke  us hobby girls for the most part have to take very good care of ourselves anyway at least my girlfriends that are in this world we all pride ourselves on taking very good care of ourselves we have to that is what true hobbyist guys want  Good Fun Entertainment.... No stress no bs just Good Fun Entertainment

When you had COVID, what the fuck were you doing putting on a seatbelt in the first place? Especially, "during the worst of it" if you were that fucking sick, WTF were you doing in a car going ANYWHERE when you were deadly sick with COVID?

AND if he had it back in March why would he be signing up for the vaccine. He would already have the antibodies from the infection.

Let's say that N equals the spread rate of a contagious disease.  If N greater than 1.0, the number of people getting sick increases.  If N = 1.0 then people continue to get sick, but as others recover the number of currently sick people stays the same.  If N is less than 1.0, then the spread eventually dies out.
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A vaccine that is 50% effective could possibly knock N from greater than one to less than one -- and therefore usher in the end of the outbreak.

I'll take the vaccine as soon as it comes out.

The antibodies don't last for more than a few months. I'm positive I had it in January/February. I tested in June and showed I did not have it. But, tests are inaccurate and we learned that the antibodies don't stick around. So, I may or may not have had it, but I feel like I did so was tested. Showed up negative, but I'm still skeptical.

He too is almost certain he had it back in January, and he also took the test back in June/July, his test came back negative too, but they even told him "after" he took the test and they billed him a couple of hundred bucks that if he had that long ago the antibodies were unlikely to show up in the test. He had paid by credit card so he called Am Ex and cancelled the charge, what a worthless fucking test.

Yes and the way it works is that the immune system has generated the B-cell that have the code to recognize the virus and if encountering it again will quickly start producing more of the antibodies. The high level of antibodies long after the infection was successfully countered would indicate something of a problem.

Effectiveness is something rather easy to prove, SAFETY is quite a different matter, potential side effects are going to be unknown for YEARS, it's impossible to PROVE a vaccine is SAFE in a matter of months. I am in no big hurry to be a guinea pig.

"A study published in 2013 using electronic health record databases reviewed health information on over 13 million vaccinated persons and compared causes of death in the vaccinated study population to the general US population. The death rate 1 or 2 months following vaccination was lower than that in the general US population, and the causes of death were similar. This study provides convincing evidence that vaccinations are not associated with an increased risk of death at the population level."

The vaccines we all took as kids, and the ones that all kids take today went through YEARS of testing and clinical trials before being deemed SAFE and effective, and were allowed to be administered to the public at large. Regardless of which vaccine is first to market the one thing we will know for sure is that it did NOT go through years of testing before given to the public. Yes, It "might" be safe, but until years go by we won't know for sure.

announced that there was no longer an increase in the number of people dying BECAUSE if Covid.  The death rates from ALL causes, including Covid, had settled back to normal expected levels.  I think the curve has already been flattened, but the MSM media hysteria continues for political reasons.

Everyone refers to the 1955 incident when a batch of polio vaccine contained live virus.  51 were paralyzed. 5 died.
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This is billed as the "worst biological disaster in American history."
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In 1952 21,000 were paralyzed by polio and 3,145 died.
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So in fact had they delayed the introduction of the vaccine MORE would have died from the disease than from the "cure."
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Again and again in medical history, delay has killed more than curative attempts.  

are correct, but I'm inclined to wait a few months until side effects are fully known.  I have not had any  trouble navigating my life during Covid, so I don't think a few more months would be unbearable, but I AM looking forward to a mask-burning ceremony.  

but if you want to use polio as an example, by all means lets do so. Just how long do you think it took from the time they started working on a vaccine until they finally got one approved to be both safe and effective?

Because alcohol kills the virus instantly.  Lol

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Instead of manipulating statistics to justify your position GA why don't you just say what you really mean?

You do realize that wearing the mask gives YOU very little protection but I think it quite noble that you will take actions to minimize infecting a provider with SARS-CoV-2 while doing little to protect her from a list of STDs.

Wow, you sure know how to treat a lady, don't you?  If there's no DFK, wouldn't a sheep do?  Why spend all that money on a woman if all you want is a warm, bare hole to stick your dick in?

just that I find the risk of sickness and possible death to be less than that from Covid-19 at least at this period of time!

I actually would rather be with a girl but do each their own!
And as far a wearing the mask the "CDC" does recommend wearing one while engaging in sexual activity with someone whom you do not know or reside with.