After all, if your "Girl Friend" isn't taking your cock up her ass, or licking yours, shouldn't you trade her for a new girl friend??? 
civie girlfriend who will do Greek.
Out of the ten or so I dated I think only two ever offered.
Of all the ladies I've seen since I started hobbying, I haven't experienced either Greek or Asian, and don't really care whether I do or not. Still, most of the ladies I've seen, I would definitely consider GFE. I guess there are just varying definitions of what GFE should entail.
GFE experience to me is:
DFK
Really close, intimate hugging and caressing (hard to define but I know the difference)
Intense 69, DATY and BBBJCIM
And she returns my calls!
Anal, to me is Porn star
and the other way round, too - try to find a civvie who will take it in the ass!
...but in my book there's a reason we use GFE and PSE.
Specialty items as far as I understand them.
BBBJ and DFK are a requirement for GFE in my opinion.
I know quite a few who are GFE, and the vast majority of them do not do Greek, and even fewer do Asian.
in order to be considered a girlfriend, or GFE!
I won't seriously date a girl that poo poos the poop chute!
What an insightful post.
With nothing more than an alias and a few simple sentences we have learned both why you have to pay for it, and why you can't get a civvie to give you the time of day. Your chosen alias gives us the added bonus of letting everyone know that you are pretty stupid too.
Clearly you think that all women were put on earth to perform sexual services for you. We weren't.
Regarding greek, sure I do greek. For a higher rate. If you want the extras, you pay for it. Its that simple. Regarding asian, there isn't enough money in the world to convince me to put my tongue anywhere near your nasty, shit smelling jungle growth down there. Just the thought is completely disgusting. Your anus is a cesspool of bacteria, and giving you an oral swab of the area is an easy way to wind up in the hospital on IV antibiotics. Thanks but no thanks. You money just isn't that green, and I've got plenty of other men around to keep me busy.
If you won't date a girl that doesn't do asian or greek, no problem. Take your money and go elsewhere. There are plenty of fish in the sea. My guess is that you had better stick to CL though. That is where you have the best chance of finding a doormat, which seems to be about your speed. Of course, you will likely get ripped off alot in your quest, and I assure you, I will be crying crocodile tears for your luck.
Eventually, this guy is going to wind up with a very sore arm.
while for some - it is greek, others asian, others french... others a trip around the world... me? it does not include either greek or asian.... so... go figure....
I think that universally it should include kissing, and cuddling... and some form of BJ... preferably BB. but maybe not.
as far as Greek is concerned - I have had one provider offer it - no make that DEMAND it... but that was a PS experience... and while nice... it did not make me want to demand it of others... just not built that way.... lol!
have at it!
Agree with you on this one; Greek is something I have been offered & tried once or twice but it is certainly not a deal breaker for me..
As far as the GFE scenario the critical parameters for me are a nice bottle of red zinfandel , DFK, DATY, BBBJ, & MISH..Some nice cuddling together at the end of the date makes it very special for me.
Summary, we are all built a little different so the criteria for GFE can vary..If Greek is critical for some guys than it is part of his GFE requirements..YMMV
No Greek, NO NO WAY.
The moment a client mentions it, I stop talking to them.
Late last year, I had a guy that was way too rough.
It took nearly 2 weeks for the pain to subside.
Your comments sound more like a mail-order doormat/bride than an actual girlfriend. There has been much debated about what constitutes a GFE, but your requests do fall outside the norm. Mostly, GFE is an attitude and a love for affection and sex, IMHO. The activities should flow naturally, not mechanically and I imagine if you’re making snide comments about “taking it up the ass, and licking mine” you’re probably not getting a lot of mileage.
I do enjoy Greek, but not with everyone and here’s why- that activity can actually cause permanent physical damage and therefore I exercise caution when indulging. If a guy is exhibiting your special type of “charm” he’s not getting anywhere near my ass, lol. I don’t need stitches, an STD if the rubber breaks (do you consider condom use not “girlfriend” enough?) or a possible hospital stay, let alone the pain involved.
As for Asian- here’s a good rule of thumb. Let me stick your finger up your ass, and then in your eye and mouth (in that order)- if you’re THAT clean, I’ll consider it. Otherwise, I have some sand I’d be happy to pound in your poop chute, as you so eloquently put it.
Do you have any idea the things that you can contract from oral contact with fecal matter? **grossed-out shiver just went down my spine** YUCK!
XO
Melanie
The GFE designation in my opinion should ONLY be granted to those that like the Hershey Highway, and are experts at Tossing a salad!
You have a girlfriend eh? ROFLMAO come on sweet cheeks, don't make us laugh. If she's tossing your salad for you then why bother us?
The lovely RedBeauty got it in one - if you want a lady to reem your cesspool of a shithole, stick your finger in your ass first then put that finger in your own damned mouth. If after three days you haven't gotten violently ill, maybe I will consider it - after I've used a good brillo pad on your ass to get you good and clean, followed by a couple of alcohol swabs to get you disinfected first.
PS. With several pages of reviews - outstanding ones too - clearly Ms. Red has no trouble getting a date. You on the other hand, are here, crying like a bitch because you can't find a doormat stupid enough to do you. It is not a difficult decision who deserves to have "loser" tattooed on their forehead.
To me, the GFE is all about the type of experience, and I don't think that demanding that ladies take it up the ass enhances the "F" in GF. For me, a GFE mimics the best experiences between 2 people who really like and enjoy each other. In civvie life, I think that requiring a woman to lick my asshole as a condition of being a girlfriend would severely limit the number and quality of available girlfriends. Fine for you if you find someone you genuinely like who really enjoys the activities you like, but I think most guys have different tolerances for the types of sexual experiences they find satisfying with a girlfriend. I know I do.
than to feed a childish troll?
I just can't help myself sometimes.
XO
Melanie
Yes, I know. But it is sort of like seeing someone with a "KICK ME" sign attatched to their ass. Sometimes the better angels win and you let it go. Then again, there are times when my better angels are shouted down, and I simply MUST obey 
IP as in "idiot poster" as opposed to OP "original poster" lol
Wow. Maybe the "girlfriend" doesnt find having your cock in her ass enjoyable...but hey, if YOU do..then by golly, damn that bitch for not complying with YOUR needs of pleasure!
WTF ever!
While I certainly understand that this is your preference, Mr. Bareback (gee the name really does say it all,) this is not the norm. No fucking way am I licking someone's asshole or greek. Stick with the PSE's...
Let's be honest here... a GFE is simply someone who expresses some sort of chemistry, desire, care for you other than get in, get off and go in a short time period. GFE's fulfill a need for some sort of connection; they are not there for you to use to do whatever it is you want. Just because you're paying doesn't mean you get to do whatever it is you want. Read a lady's reviews and find one more in line with your needs.
Katie
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deep passionate kissing and asian, which I would have to since after asian there's no way I am kissing my own ass.lol I'd have to pick kissing every day of the week.
I've recieved asian a couple of times and I do have to admit, I liked it better than I expected, but there is no way I consider licking my ass part of what I expect in the was of a girlfriend or a GFE.
This definition of GFE resonates with me - it's driven more by the connection than by the menu. A PSE can be a lot of fun and it is possible to have a nice connection, but that's not what it's all about with a PSE. IMO, a PSE is all about what's on the menu whereas with a GFE, it's all about the connection. Of couse, it can't be just platonic, but you can have a pretty hot, satisfying experience and a nice connection with a great GFE. That's hard to beat, and keeps me coming back.
I would be curious as to how many providers like rimming done to them? Should this be a new question? Do most have the attitude of take it or leave it? Just my thoughts????
I speak... nor do I care to learn... just not for me.... as I said above, I have had it thrust upon me... but it did nothing special for me... so just not to be.... I guess I don't do butt stuff either.
A GFE, in my book, is still willing to snuggle or listen to me proselytize after we have both climaxed (eg - she's into me, whether real or faked). Greek is a side order that doesn't always equate to GFE...
In my book its all about the connection, Intimacy and Passion all thrown together in a totally Sensual experience for both parties.
The sex is hot and not in any way dominating to either. It should flow comfortably yet very steamy. Lots of mutual touching and pleasing and exploring each others bodies for pleasure to both not to dominate. It's more about the total experience of companionship and comfortability. It should be absolutely mutual.
It sounds to me, you want to abuse the line and use the lady for your pleasure and care nothing about pleasing her or even being connected to her in any way. Just jerk off while you fantasize about doin some chick up the ass. You may get more out of it.
I know theres no way I'm lickin your ass or any one elses. Its nasty and never clean.
Now Greek, well thats different, I like that but not with everybody, and never on a first visit. You need to know your partner well to engage in this. If the chemistry is right, and both are experienced, I am into it but it's one thing I am very selective about..and yes, it's outside the norm of GFE so it would be extra.
I find it hard to believe you have ever had a Real GF lick your ass and let you do greek with her on a reg basis. Nowin a relationship, Greek was a special treat and not one done all the time.
I know half if not all that you wrote was to piss off the Ladies here because thats your thing, you feel inferior to begin with (which by the way,by your comments it seems you are) so it's your little way of trying to "one up" yourself. All you really ended up doing was show the world how truely stupid you really are. And the alias, if you felt that strongly about this you'd be man enough to say who you are. Oh well just another asshole I guess.
Play Safely Everyone...
Nicole
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i also consider myself to be a GFE provider, but i provide what i call a submissive GFE...your special girl who does whatever she can to please you and who you are free to use selfishly and thoroughly (within some limits). for issues of physical safety i do not engage in greek with clients, however rimming (with me giving only) is something i will engage in with the right client because a submissive GF/lover does not say no to any reasonable request and will go that extra mile to please her partner.
...I certainly hope that your post was erroneously meant for one of the responders above me. My post was not-in-any-way meant to connote the things that you mention in your response.
I have tried to understand why an educated woman would lick a man's ass, putting his needs over her health. Not to mention the thought of kissing someone who just licked my ass and probabably others earlier that day.
"Hepatitis A, B and C, intestinal parasites, chlamydia, HPV, gonorrhea and herpes.
Asian poses a risk to the receiver....Applying the mouth to the genitals immediately after applying it to the anus can inadvertently introduce E. coli into the urethra, causing a urinary tract infection.
There is a limit to what most ladies will do for money.
Trips to the Greek Isles or any related areas have anything to do with GFE. This is PSE territory, as far as I see. Trips to the French Riviera are definitely preferable, in any event... 