Someone please explain to me how I suppose act when a client do not pay...This is what happen. I had been talking with client for months. Client came to visit. Set-up time for 2hr meeting. Called and invited me to spend total day with him in DC....Total day for him was perfect. Then guess what? Client say he didn't have that money.  Now I'm not going to say what was going through my mind but I would like advice from all the pro's.........It will determine how I deal with future clients or if I continue to stay as a provider...

I know its akward when you're first starting out. (I've only been doing this about 5 months myself) But, some of the BEST and first advice I received from other girls is to ALWAYS get the "fee for service" FIRST. I deal with alot of upscale clients and its sometimes akward to ask. I usually say something like..."do you mind if we settle first?" Most guys are already very aware of this and pretty much expect it. I've only had one client that stated he usually doesn't pay before hand. And, I just re-iterated that its my policy to settle my "fee for service" prior to "engaging".
8 hours?! DAAAAAAmn Girl! that just had to hurt!

Thanks for the reply. I've read posting about rip Offs here on the board,but mostly about the ladies. Is there an area for the client.  " No honor system here-Settle up front"
" Expect me to be reliable and perform and I expect you to  be honest and payup.

Thank you performanceperfe.....

Sorry not a pro. However I have been curious a number of times and have asked a number of the traveling ladies as well as the locals. I have seldom been asked for the money up front and have always thought it a bad business tactic, escpecially as I usually use incall.

The best advice I had heard was from one of the traveling porn stars. She asks for the money after she is comfortable with the gentleman. Even if they are going out for the day/night she tells him that she would feel safer if it was in the room safe.

Nice safe practice. Allows her to get a vibe from the guy while still in the security of the hotel room. The money goes directly to the safe. It is the only thing in the safe. She deposits the money at the ATM in the morning.

I hope this helps.

When I do outcall, I usually have the money in an obvious place, on the table or something, so she can see it is there and available.

I find that many of the nicer ladies tend to notice it's presence and move on.  And the very end they'll say something like "I assume this is for me, right?"  (Of course, I do everything else possible to make them feel at ease from the very start, so maybe I get a bit less scrutiny than a guy who is less well behaved.)

Makes everybody feel comfortable.  They know the money is there, I know they haven't given it to some "driver" who has disappeared with it.

But I'm not really put off when a girl asks for it first, and I would not be surprised or offended if a provider asked for some money up-front when booking an extended engagement.

MisterG


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I had to learn the hard way too.  Even long time regulars can bounce a check or suddenly forget to have $.  It is tacky, awkward, and sometimes dangerous to your freedom to ask for $ upfront.  The moment of tackiness and trashiness only lasts for a second.  If you screw up and miss out on big $,  you will be beating yourself up emotionally for weeks for your mistake.  Hiring a thug is not good idea and harassment does not work.  Just act tacky and get the $ upfront.  If they give you a hard time, tell them you have been ripped off before.

I have never had a guy be rude.  Just talk to him like you normally do and right before you begin peeling off your clothes for your "performance", ask for the $.

Every business person gets ripped off once and a while.

Sorry, I disagree.  I've seen close to 40 providers in the last 2 years for 6 hour dinner dates and have never been asked for the money up front.  After dinner I place an envelope in plain site in the room, and sometime during the next few hours, it disappears with nothing ever being mentioned.  If a provider asked me for the money at the beginning of the evening, I'd be thinking rip off and I would probably ask her to leave.  Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.  Sedagive.

I am very please with the input you guys/ladies have giving. I'm new at this and even so, with reading the information on the board I know my research and experiences will never end. I've taken all the method mention durning a meet and as I mention before, But this one was odd..."Why" because we talked about the money most of the time and laugh about how I was giving him a steal and thanking me for spending the day with him....But Just so you guys know.

I got an email mentioning that the money is in the mail now I feel guilty as hell. Here is a copy of the letter without names

Subj: I'm sorry  
Date: 01/12/2002 9:38:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: ***********
To: Performanceperfe
Ruth-
I was a little rude to you. I have had a lot going on lately, and I have a lot of other things to do, and I'm not liking it, I am sorry  that it has taken so long, but as I told you a few times, I promise. And speaking of promises, I sent off your check yesterday. I hope you think it's a fair amount, but who knows. Hopefully my review will more than make up for any short fall. In the meantime, hope all is well. I miss hearing you and hope we can chat soon, one way or the other. Take care and don't get to fat watching those dvd's.  Name ********

P.S. I see that you emailed me something, did you e mail me a curse of some kind?

Are you sure you are not one of my clients...This is usually the way it normally happen....Thanks...I love this approach...

Ruth

hey, very common problem but out here, we are by law required to ask for money up front. it is against the law to ask after because then you are being paid for a specific act which then becomes prostitution. whenever i travel, and i realize that independent providers may not be able to do so, but i require a credit card deposit, totally refundable, given taxes on credit card usage we do not accept credit cards except in these situations, and if for any reason the client does not pay or show up, he is charged for half of the agreed price for the session. this has never happened so far but it is definitely a source of concern, especially when travelling. it the encounter is not far away and the client has already paid my airfare i am usually comfortable with using the airfare already paid as a sign of good intentions. sorry for your bad experience but as i said, the way to protect yourself is to have the money up front. dana

I usually have the money in my jacket pocet already counted that I just hand to her or put on a table without really saying anything.

If I am meeting someone new I sometimes forget to do this and I am not offended at all if she inquires about the fee. It is perfectly reasonable for someone who has not met me before to want to clear the financial details first, and any reasonable person understands that.

When ladies I have known a while, if I forget to do it beforehand they often do as well, but only because they are not worried about it, they know who they are dealing with and that there is no question about getting paid.

So, don't feel bad about requesting upfront payment from anyone. The only people who will mind are the ones who might have been planning to cheat you.

I normally do 2 hour sessions or more, either incall or outcall to a hotel + dinner.  I have never been asked for the $ in advance.
I do put the $ in an unmarked envelope with a card, and leave this in plain sight.  More than one lady has asked for the money upon preparation to leave and I have had to point out the envelope to her.  And on one occassion I had to call the lady back to the hotel as she did forget to take it with her.
I don't think I would be offended if I was asked for the money up front.  I generally do not see providers who are not well reviewed or referral-only or referred by trusted ladies or gentlemen so I do not think I would suspect a ROB if asked for cash up front in those situations.  If I were seeing someone not known then I may be suspect and negotiate a middle ground or send her on her way!
JM2C
LM

I have NEVER had this happen to me,...though I've read the "rip off boards" enough to know that PROVIDERS are victims too.

I have to ask the basic questions:

1. Did you actually "HAVE THE VISIT" then find out he had no $$$ or did he tell you this up-front and you left?

2. Do you usually get the $$$ up front? If not, why not?

3. Did you "verify" him? Get his Information for screening purposes? It seems like men who have to provide REAL information are less likely to do this.

A few more details would help in giving you advice.

Re: 1. Did you actually "HAVE THE VISIT" then find out he had no $$$ or did he tell you this up-front.

A: We made contact for months. Fee discuss per contact up to meeting.

Re: Do I usually get the $$$ up front?
A: Yes/sometime not pushy about it. Most clients give up front.

Re: verify" him? Get his Information for screening
A: Yes, Name,home/cell phone contact,email contact,home/business address.

As I said in the post, the client was a gentleman all the way. We had a blast and he even request me to visit his home area. Client mention throughout the day that the money he had was for our enjoyment time. Then client mention at the end of the evening while traveling back, that he only had enough to return home and he will send it through the mail.

I posted an email from the client that mention that the check was in the mail....( Yes I am looking). If and when it come I will post it.

Don't think you need to feel guilty at all.  It is the client's fault for not bringing the agreed upon fee at the beginning and only have enough money for the entertainment.  But at least he is an honorable man and true to his word that he did mail the check.  The check bounce or not is another matter..  :P  Hopefully everything works out and you'll see him again.  

You are right....No need to feel guilty...Hope I get the check..Still looking.

Performanceperfe

You are a sweetie

Okay, I understand now. I'm very sorry that happened to you. Thats the horrible thing about this business being "illegal", there is no way to sue him or get your $$$ (If the check really ISNT in the mail). :0(

Be careful and good luck in the future.

ps. I like your website.

I am asked for $$ up front half of the time (actually a little more than half).

Depending on the situation, I would think it foolish for the provider NOT to ask for the $$ (or at least have some courtesy guys and leave it in plain view).  In fact, one provider asked me to drive her to pick up her car service after our session.  I suggested that she not be quite so trusting.

Received Checked in Mail.....1-17-01 Not a lump some, but it was better then nothing...