Shauna/Wyld Orchid/Paulina (the TER rep. of BDJ) –
   54 reviews (9/00 to 7/02) (3 by the same person); Stat: 5’6 ½, 115lb, 36D-24-35, 26-30

Given the detail review of 6 reviewers in different part of the country, I conclude that Shauna’s rating is legitimate and she is the real deal.  (YMMV)  (Of course, all these awaits the personal meeting if I can pass the screening )

(See evidence presented below)

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I mainly listed the reviewer roughly in chronological orders.  AVIONCM is the weakest reviewer of the 6.  It just happened that he has resubmitted his reviews and became the latest reviewer of Shauna.  Please try to go through the list and check out my findings from the other 5 reviewers.

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*** AVIONCM: (20 reviews, NY based) (8/00 to 7/02)
   Reviews on Shauna - 7/02  NYC  8/8;  12/01 NYC  9/9;  10/00 NYC  9/10;  8/00 NYC 9/10 (as Paulina)
   Reviews on other providers:
       Jourdan 8/9 (7/02  NYC) (sole reviewer) (funny web site www.belledesoir.net) Very fishy.
       Kaycie 8/9 (6/02  NYC) (sole reviewer)  (funny web site www.belledesoir.net) Very fishy.
       Catherine 7/8 (6/02  Miami) (14 reviewers) (BDJ girl) (9/9 by HotForPros 5/02 Miami) Legit
       Georgia 8/8 (6/02  Miami) (5 reviewers) (BDJ girl) (8/8 by HotForPros 7/02 Miami) Legit
       Britney 7/7 (5/02  NYC) (7 reviewers) (active site) (7/8 by BUTTMAN 2/02 Chicago)
       Blondy 8/9 (4/02  NYC) (7 reviewers) (active site) (first reviewer) (8/9 by fortitude 6/02 NYC)
       Juliana 8/8 (4/02  Miami) (sole reviewer) (active site)
       Lexi 8/9 (4/02  Miami) (inactive provider)
       Ana Lee 7/7 (3/02  NYC) (5 reviewers) (active site) (first reviewer) (9/8 by TOPCAT 3/02 NYC) Legit
       Ashley 7/7 (3/02  NYC) (5 reviewers) (active site) (first reviewer)
       Janine 7/8 (1/02  NYC) (13 reviewers) (inactive site)
       Bridget 7/8 (1/02  NYC) (2 reviewers) (inactive site)

Overall impression: Legitimate Reviewer - based on the fact that he was 3 times the first reviewer of apparently legitimate providers.  TOPCAT reviewed Franchesca, Jacqueline and Brooke, all well-known LA providers.

*** dreammaker: (31 reviews, LA based) (5/01 to 8/02)
   Review on Shauna – 6/02  Miami  9/9
   Reviews on other providers: (selective check since he is LA based)
       Angel 8/7 (8/02  LA) (39 reviews) (active site) (9/7 by TURBO 8/02 LA) Legit
       Noel 7/6 (2/02) (72 reviews) (inactive site) (well-known LA provider; seen by me) Legit
       Savannah 9/9 (3/02) (6 reviews) (active site) (7/7 by deluxe 5/02) Legit

Overall impression: Legitimate Reviewer – based on the fact that he has reviewed providers that have met reviewers who have seen providers I met before.

*** HotForPros (35 reviews, All over US) (12/01 to 8/02)
   Review on Shauna – 2/02  NYC  9/10
   Reviews on other providers: (HotForPros is a member of PS board, most of PSs in his reviews are well-known)
       Phyllisha Anne 9/10 (7/02 LA) (4 reviews)
       Gauge 9/8 (6/02 NYC) (sole reviewer)
       Anna Malle 10/10 (5/02 NYC) (11 reviews)
       Miko Lee 10/10 (5/02 NYC) (17 reviews)

Overall impression: Impeccable Reviewer. (A bit high on the look rating side)

*** greatsex4u: (47 reviews, LA based) (1/00 to 8/02) member of LA board
   Review on Shauna – 11/01  NYC  10/9
   Reviews on other providers: (selective check since he is LA based)
       Angela/Alias/Alice 7/9 (5/02 LA; 12/01 LA) (118 reviews) (active site) (renown BBBJ Queen in LA, seen by me)
       Ali 9/9 (2/02 LA; 9/10 9/01 LA) (66 reviews) (active site) (mysterious Queen of LA; I believe she is the highest rated provider in LA)
       Barby/Aja 8/6 (8/01 LA) (56 reviews) (active site) (former porn star)
       Luscious Laurel 6/9 (8/00) (78 reviews) (active site) (well-know member of TER boards)

Overall impression: Impeccable Reviewer

*** hobbylover: (8 reviews, Phoenix/Miami) (4/02 to 6/02)
   Review on Shauna – 5/02  Miami  10/10
   Reviews on other providers:
       PlaymateAshley (Morgan Ashley) 10/10 (6/02 LA) (36 reviews) (active site) (Reigning Princess of LA)
         - well known member of LA board (89 posts in past 90 days)
       Brook 7/7 (5/02 Miami) (7 reviews) (active site)
       Catherine 7/7 (5/02 Miami) (14 reviews) (BDJ girl)
       Jasmine 9/10 (5/02 Miami) (25 reviews) (BDJ girl)
       Sedona Weaver 8/9 (4/02 Phoenix) (7 reviews) (first reviewer) (8/8 by slugline 7/02 DC) – slugline has 13 reviews mainly based in DC.
       Jessie 10/8 (4/02 Phoenix) (13 reviews) (active site) (9/8 by Beatnik 3/01 Phoenix) – Beatnik reviewed Beth/Ginger and Jacqueline; both are well-known providers in LA
      Lisa 8/9 (4/02 Phoenix) (34 reviews) (active site) (9/10 by Lifebythehorns 4/02 Phoenix) – Lifebythehorns reviewed Niko of SF (7/9) whom I met in SF.

Overall impression: Legitimate Reviewer

*** rick2: (60 reviews, All over US, possibly LA based) (12/99 to 8/02) member of LA board (64 posts in past 90 days), National board (10 posts in past 90 days)
   Review on Shauna – 6/01  NYC  9/9
   Reviews on other providers: (selective check since he is LA based)
       Yana 8/7 (9/01 LA) (19 reviews) (active site) (greatsex4u, 6/6 by BIGUSDICKUS 10/01 LA) Legit
          – BIGUSDICKUS has 43 reviews saw Vanessa whom I had met before.

Overall impression: Legitimate Reviewer

Picture of Shauna

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Firstly, I want to preface this post by saying that it is NOT an accusation of any wrong-doing by anyone.  Nor is it a critique of AVIONCM, or you, GirlCrazy.  It is just my initial gut reaction to your post, as someone actively involved on these boards and as a "hobbyist".
I guess I should be flattered that you used me in your study to legitimize AVIONCM.  I'm looking at your post this way, and not a study to legitimize Shauna, who has been around for some time and has an excellent reputation.  And I'm assuming that the purpose of your excercise was to do just that, and also show that BDJ is in fact a legitimate concern and not ROB.  This is all well and good, but as a regular user of TER, I depend on reviews to plan who I will see.  Someone once asked why I haven't posted any bad reviews.  That's becuase TER hasn't really failed me yet (except for one provider).  As a rule I will not see a provider with only one review on her site.  In the case of BDJ, they can be suspect in my book because most of the girls have only one review, and AVIONCM is that one.  He has also reviewed other providers (non-BDJ), including two girls I reviewed.  But you only point out the one where we were consistent with each other.  You do not mention the 3 point performance swing on the other, and that one  you fail to point out in your analysis.  Could AVIONCM be a "hobbyist" like the rest of us, but gets some consideration from BDJ for his positive reviews?  I don't know, but until others corroborate his findings, it's likely I won't find out how great (or not so great) the BDJ girls are.  By the way, how come you have no reviews posted?

First of all, thank you for responding.  This is the way we all can find out the truth about these matters.  Since I choose to use an alias to post my message, I have to include facts from my findings to let others pointed out my mistakes and verify my results independently.

I mainly listed the reviewer roughly in chronological orders.  AVIONCM is the weakest reviewer of the 6.  It just happened that he has resubmitted his reviews and became the latest reviewer of Shauna.

I myself am initially suspicious of AVIONCM's reviews.  Witness the note I mentioned on his first 2 providers.  I use your name to verify the legitimacy of Blondy since I don't know her.

Because he is the first reviewer and you as a well-known member of this board later verified his rating, this means that he is not a phantom reviewer riding on other's info to generate phony results.  The only reason I claim AVIONCM is a legitimate reviewer is that he is the first reviewer of 3 providers that can be verified and all 3 are not based in Miami so it is hard to say they are Shauna's friends.

I tried not to avoid problem reviewers like AVIONCM and tried to treat him as others.  In order to have a semblance of verifiable results, I need reviewers that have a number of reviews in order to do so.  Unfortunately, lately lots of members have stopped posting reviews, therefore there are lots of 1 or 2 posting reviewers.

I used 5 other reviewer to try to verify Shauna's authenticity.  Since I am based in LA and have not had the wide geographic exposures like others.   I am using well known members and providers so that they will be involved and verify or rebuke my findings.

I have not yet had the chance to detail the rating differences between you and AVIONCM.  There might be rating inflation on his part but at least to my eyes he is not yet proven as a phantom reviewer.  Even if he is suspected, there are 5 other reviewers out of Shauna’s 51 reviewers that I have posted my findings on.

My initial goal is to check for myself whether Shauna is a bait and switch which I think I pretty much established that she is not.  There might be rating inflation in her rating which one can only personally verify oneself.

Shauna is the first one of BDJ girl I checked as she is the rep in TER.  I am working on the study on Jasmine as she and Shauna will arrive in LA in 7 days.


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I can appreciate what you're doing.  There is alot of falsified stuff on this and other boards.  Like I said, I have no doubts whatsoever about the veracity of Shauna.  She's got reviews back to 1999 under 3 names (3 different situations and periods in her life, I would guess) and they are uniformly good reviews.  BTW, I believe she's originally a New Yorker, not a Floridian.  I believe that she now runs BDJ's NY operation.  One of her girls, Jourdan, apparently just went independent, has her own site, and posted on the NY board.  I, as a rule, try to stay away from agencies.  I had some agency experiences some time back in Las Vegas, and you probably know all too well what they are all about.  Be that as it may, there are so many good independents, like Blondy who you mentioned, that for me there's no need for an agency to get in the way.  Not to mention that I have some problem with another person making $$ off the backs of working girls. That used to be called pimping.  That said, my favorite haunt in NY is a house called "Julie's".  Should you ever need 411 on the NY scene, or any city that you see I visited, drop me an e-mail above, and I'll try to help you out.

girlcrazy, this is good stuff, and your effort deserves some kind of reward (hopefully sooner than heaven).

however, this doesn't seem like a productive way to verify a minx. women change their trade names, move, travel around, get imported from europe or asia, don't get photos taken every month, etc., which can account for discrepancies in her personal info or for the same photo appearing on multiple sites.

attempting to verify individual raters is very tenuous; the fact that a rater was "honest" about girl 1 doesn't mean he did not overpraise girls 2 and 3. rating consistency across all cases is different from rating accuracy in any one case. accuracy also depends on the "strength" of the stimulus; kinda pretty girls with attitude will generate more "noise" than drop dead beautiful girls with a yearn to please.

the main effort should be to verify services or agencies, such as montrealgirls, since these provide the main control on the quality of the recruitment and the accuracy of the advertising. unfortunately there isn't a service rating area on ter; perhaps there should be.

on that note: somebody else mentioned girls of montreal ... so i have to mention that their site is a mess. i just checked, and the individual pages for ladies visiting san francisco are not available; the pages for tenured girls like jacqueline are also down; the phone numbers are missing or wrong, and an email i sent to the address listed on ter pages was returned as undeliverable, account doesn't exist. someone with past experience with that outfit should contact them and give them a nudge.

the truth wherever it may lead.  One or two good girls do not make an agency.  I will continue with the other girls and see what will be revealed.

I have recently posted messages on 4 different regional boards (LA, Boston, DC and Florida) about the dubious Florida agency Baby Dolls Escorts.  It is better to use an alias for things like that.

There are valid questions on BDJ girls because of the new girls and their new reviewers.  It even aroused the suspicions to the point that the possibility of posting systematic false reviews using multiple phantom reviewers is being raised.  I was under the impression that of the Florida agencies, Belle De Jour and Miami Companions are legitimate.  Since Shauna and Jasmine are coming to LA in a week, I set out to find the truth as best as I can, whether they are the real deal or not.  Since Shauna is the queen of BDJ, I needed to establish her credibility first before I moved to the next.

I like to support the local independents as well.  However, with the usual extensive screening and playing phone tags, it is not as easy for me to do so.  It is also the case that an agency is usually the way a new girl started in this business.  With good clientele, elaborate screening and someone watching the girls back, a good agency allows a new lady to learn the rules of the trade.  In time, the lady will either retire or move on and becomes an independent.  With all the false advertisings, it is hard for a new lady to start from scratch without any reliable references.

I have met several great ladies from my local agency and a touring one; hence I am a bit partial towards protecting the good names of good agencies.  However, as I have stated before, my allegiance is to my fellow hobbyists and the TER community.  If somehow things got changed, I will not hesitate to point that out.

Since there are questions raised about the legitimacy of most of the reviews on Belle De Jour girls by a number of respected members of this community, it is necessary to establish facts (or near facts) to clear the air.  I have never met any of the BDJ girls, so this is also a way for me to find out the truth.  I have only done the studies on 2 of the girls that are on tour right now.  I intended to finish the works in the coming hours.

I have given more detail answers on my responses to fortitude of NY.  All through the day, I will check the board about other messages or questions and will try to response in time.

As far as girls of Montreal are concerned, I am not sure whether you mean the MontrealGirlFriends.com or some other agencies in Montreal.  As far as I know, there is no Jacqueline in MGF and the site is up.  I know that previously there are lots of reports of bad web links about the MGF girls.  (I actually gained 20+ days of credit reporting the correct links) I guess this might have something to do with the javascript used in their pages and the browser used by the viewer.


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yes, i meant montreal girl friends; the site is up, but the individual profile pages wouldn't load. jacqueline was a woman rated highly by riker (he overflowed the text buffer before the cover even came on!) but her page was also not available. you're right, it is a javascript problem, and i've switched to a different browser -- thanks!

...was of Lolita. The conclusion to the story is long since lost, but trust me; it was a very good time.

Shauna is the real deal. I have seen Shauna 5 times -- my sessions have been in Los Angeles and Florida. I do not think you will find a better GFE than Shauna. I have not seen the other BDJ escorts, but I plan to. From my experiences, Shauna is a straight shooter. No BS with her. If Shauna says a BDJ escort is a GFE, then that's good enough for me.

BTW, Shauna is a Penthouse Pet (I have her issue) and has been featured several times on a popular "E" network show. Compared to what many porn stars and centerfolds are charging, Shauna is very reasonable priced.

But the bad news is that Shauna may be fully booked by hobbyists that she has seen on her previous trips to LA. I already have a confirmed appointment with Shauna.

I hear that Jasmine may not be able to make the trip to LA this time but Tabitha will be visiting LA.

Shauna used to live in New York and ran an agency called "Shauna's Place." Last year, she moved to Florida and worked as an independent through www.wyldorchid.com. And Shauna recently started www.belledejour.net.

everyone is happy and gets a fair chance to meet this beautiful lady.

First, thanks for the complement on using me for your study, but I must say I'm more proud of none PS reviews than the PS reviews. As far as my high scores on the providers I see, they seem to respond to me very positively, so when you read my review realize YMMV, I have a great time with many of the girls hence the high score. The review process is subjective to begin with and my opinion of their looks, well I really think the girl I give 9s and 10s deserve them and so do others, these are really beautiful women. As you might presume I am a great supporter of TER and it has allowed me to participate in this hobby with confidence and safety.  
    I first came a cross Shauna on the TER review data base and at that point she had around 40-50 very positive reviews (all between 8 and 10, how can you go wrong) and being that the review system hasn't let me down before, lets give Shauna a try. To say the least Shauna was all that and a bag of chips. Shauna was the 11th review I submitted.  I've seen Shauna 2 more times, both 10s. So I really have to laugh that you are scrutinizing the veracity Shauna's reviews, by the way the Shauna we are talking about is Shauna/Wyld Orchid, Pauline was just a reviewer error.
    As far as the Belle de Jour girls are concerned, I've seen seven and they have all been from good providers to great providers, heading the list is Jasmine, Jenna Michele and Jezelle,(all Js, how odd) and when I put two together, Jasmine and Catherine, all I can say is WOW (they are reviewed together). Because of my positive experience with Shauna (3X) I have come to trust Shauna and the type of service she provides. When she started a agency I knew it would be different because I would be dealing with a women I have been with. So when Shauna says she has a new girl and I should try her out, I don't give it a second thought, I've done that five times all without reviews and they were all girls I have seen and will see again, these girls understand the BDJ philosophy, which is to provide a beautiful girl that give a GFE, which is by the way what Shauna provides. If you see Shauna or Jasmine in LA you will have a great time.
    As far as agencies making money off the girls back, some girls don't want to be out there alone. In the case of Shauna and BDJ many of the guys that use BDJ Shauna already knows that is worth something to the girls.  The girls could be independents if they wanted to be. They choose to be with BDJ and I will continue to use BDJ



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You wrote, "I am using well known members and providers so that they will be involved and verify or rebuke my findings."

I don't know anything about BDJ or Shauna, but... is "well-known member of TER boards" the best you could come up with for me?

Pouting,
Laurel  

P.S.  GirlCrazy, would you please write to me?  I have a question I would like to ask you.  [email protected] or Luscious Laurel by TER mail.

Your study looks like a book. You say that AvionCM is a weak reviewer, but he has seen just about every provider on LI. I happen to know quite a few of those reviewers who have posted on Shauna and the girls of Belle De Jour. I assure you they are real people. As for Shaunas rates going up, she is still very reasonable considering her creditials and competition.
 
                                  Sincerely, Alyssa Young

early Sunday morning so that other members can comment.  Will email you later.

The last 3 ladies of he reviewed are Shauna, Jourdan and Kaycie.
For Shauna, he has 4 reviews.  For Jourdan and Kaycie, the web site listed is named BelleDeSoir.net, very close to BelleDeJour.net.  There are no pictures on that site except an email link.  Makes me wonder where he had the info on those girls.

I am sure there are lots of member feeling suspicious about this.  They just move on and not said anything.

It might turn out that AVIONCM is a good friend of Shauna and she introduced him to new girls so he can provide the first review.  There is nothing wrong about that.  Since I have verified the ratings of Britney, Blondy and Ana Lee that are not shown to be affiliated with BDJ; with AVIONCM as their first reviewer, this eliminate him as a phantom writer that just copied others reviews without actually knowing the girls.  So if he is actually a hobbyist, then may be he likes to be a pioneer or has inside info on how to find hot new girls.

As far as whether Jourdan and Kaycie are the real deal, more reviews are needed.  I wish some of the credible reviewers will start submitting reviews again.

It also occurs to me that you have posted no reviews, take the plung already.
Shauna is real, you don't get fifty+ positive reviews by beng a fake. Second, Shauna has NOTHING to do with Belle de Soir. So judging a reviewer veracity by two girls that have nothing to do with Shauna makes no sence. Maybe this guy (who I don't know and I not saying he is in anyones pocket) is in Belle de Soir pocket, just throw him out of your study and look at all the other reviews Shauna has. My reviews are real, I may rate high, but that is because I care that girl has a good time when she is with me. It's my money, I want to get the most for my cash and by making the girl feel comfortable and feel good you can get a girl crazy and do almost anything if you treat her right. One girl I saw, who said she was covered everything and no kissing escort, I got so crazy that by the second cup, if I let her, would have BBFS (CBJ and no kissing went out the window during the first cup), If you don't think I'm going to give this girl a positive review your nuts. I'm seeing this girl again this week, maybe I'll get anal.
So just read the reviews, if a girl has more than 3 reviews and reviewers look diverse just go for it and stop with the studies.  That is what I do and I've really never been burned, I don't alway click with the girl (that happen twice out of 35 reviews, not bad) Just have fun.

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I have a high regard for you both for the facts that you have post lots of reviews and as a member of TER boards provided valuable info to others.  Sorry about the nitpicking on your scores

I have posted over 20 reviews and will continue to do so.  I am actually in a no-win situation since both parties in dispute don’t like the work I have done.  The only solace I take from this is the validation of Shauna’s reputation once for all and increase the profile of her agency.

The reason I have to post the study on Shauna and subsequently Jasmine is because the credibility of her agency and her personal performance are being questioned by a well known member of TER boards.  http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=12&Page=1&Messageid=27677  

This gentleman, if I am not mistaken, posts lots of reviews and uses several aliases to post messages on various TER boards.  He is knowledgeable.  Under his TER handle, he is well respected and contributed greatly to the general welfare of all of us in the TER community.

The original post has been out there for almost 20 hrs before anyone presented an opposite point of view.  I don’t want to get to a he said, she said situation with nothing being resolved.  I personally don’t like fraudulent agencies either; hence I took upon myself to try to establish an objective study on the BDJ girls.

Since the gentleman questioned Shauna’s rating/performance head on with the caveat of TBD ranking and using words such as “systematic false advertising”, I found it necessary to examine her record first.

Now that is done, I don't like anyone will ever raise doubt about that again.

And I find your attack to be interesting. Don't care if you find out about BDJ or not. If you do have information and choose to share it, great! With no information, why do you  stir the pot?

BTW, I've got personal experience with BDJ and all of it good. Close to best ever in fact.