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Propositioning the cleaning staff at my gym?
devlish1 4595 reads
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1 / 57

I workout at a small sports gym and there are three hot cleaning staff. Always wearing body tight leggings with their tits and ass bulging out. They are all very friendly too. Wondering is it worth trying to see if they are into p4p? Probably not something I would do, but am very curious about it.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 123 reads
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WICardinalfan 114 reads
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3 / 57

I sure way to get kicked out of the club and/or loose your membership.  However health clubs are hurting for business right now.

devlish1 97 reads
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4 / 57

Curious what you find funny about my post? Why are they dressing all sexy if they don't want men interested in them?!

FoxInTheHenHouse 151 reads
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5 / 57

any balls you will just outright ask them and report back to us.

GaGambler 205 reads
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6 / 57

But if you have to ask us for permission to do so then I assure you it's something that YOU should not attempt.

 
We all have a friend who can ask a woman just about anything, no matter how forward and who NEVER seems to get slapped in the face for his efforts. If you were that guy you never would have asked our opinion, and if you are NOT that guy then this is something you should never do yourself, it's very unlikely to end well. lol

 
That said, it is something that I might do, but this is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" kind of answers. Sorry. lol  

 
BTW even I would not just come right out and offer one of them money, you have to do these things with a certain amount of finesse, which can't be learned on an internet fuck board. lol

nevertoolarge 30 Reviews 104 reads
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7 / 57

whenever i see a hot girl in the real world ..   i might ask her  "are you in the hobby"     if she is she appreciates the discretion  ..   if she isnt she wonders what i am talking about without taking offense.  

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 183 reads
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8 / 57

To be or not to be?  That is the question...

 

My monger brother, no disrespect intended, but civvie girls aren't working girls; and never the two shall meet.

 
I am not a dream squasher!  Au Contraire!  You, my monger brother need to learn 'game' if you want to have a fling with one of the lovlies cleaning staff.  You can start small with YouTube videos or go big and do a weekend seminar with a coach.  

 
Be fun and confident.  Remember that you are a prize and women are hypergamous.  Mucha suerte!!!!!

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 130 reads
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10 / 57

You buy Coach Corey Wayne's e-book titled 'The 3% Man'.

 
👍

-- Modified on 11/13/2020 11:47:27 AM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 94 reads
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11 / 57

Were you just talking about me?   LOL

 
I agree with most every answer here.  If he hasn't done this successfully before, and doesn't know how, then its a VERY bad idea.  I probably wouldn't try this with "cleaning people", but I do quite well with Vietnamese manicurists, but as you say, you  have to know how to approach it or it will blow up in your face pretty quickly.  You can't just come out and say you'll give them money for sex.  If you do that, and she is offended, as most women are when you put it that bluntly, word will get around to the other ladies they  work with to avoid you.  Then you have spoiled the whole lot and find another place to "farm."  Lol

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 132 reads
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12 / 57

Would that bother you?? That's the risk you'll take.Look they're friendly for a reason and it's not because you're so debonaire. Now I wouldn't come flat out with the whole P4P approach. It just reeks of creepiness. So no I wouldn't try it.
The whole thing of "game" come in....is that in you?

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 98 reads
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13 / 57

I think thats a pretty risky venture at best.
You'd probably just do better to ask one of em out....then let her tell you that you're gonna have to pay her to fuck you.🤣

36363jensen 4 Reviews 101 reads
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14 / 57

Well, it's a fairly large leap from "dressing sexy" to P4P.  

 
However, rather than propositioning them or soliciting I would think the first thing to ask yourself is have they given you any particular signal/body language that would indicate they have any interest whatsoever in YOU.

skynard 18 Reviews 102 reads
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15 / 57

Not only could you get kicked out of your gym, or even worse..... Shunned if it didn't go the right way. It would also be a criminal offense!

devlish1 111 reads
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16 / 57

I am not interested in dating them so I don't care if they are "interested" in me. These ladies are no strangers to sex unlike some of the folks commenting to my post! I have money, they have the bodies. It's not rocket science..

-- Modified on 11/13/2020 8:23:01 PM

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 104 reads
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17 / 57

If you suggest prostitution you will likely be reported and arrested.   That said, sugar baby/mistress type relations are legal ... because they are relationships.  You have to approach it like offering a beneficial relationship.  It just can't be dollars per session stuff, at least at first.  Once they show interest you might become a bit more explicit about benefits.  

devlish1 172 reads
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18 / 57

Where do I learn it if not on an "Internet fuck board"? If I posted this question anywhere else it would get me banned immediately. I have no friend I could discuss these matters with.  

It doesn't seem like you know how to do it either, otherwise you would have given me some advice instead of saying it can't be done. We all start somewhere. I am not looking to go from zero to 100 in a day. Just wanting to know the next steps like:

1) How do I know if these cleaning ladies are open to p4p?
2) If they are, how do I negotiate a price?

devlish1 113 reads
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19 / 57

I am not interested in dating these women. I want simple p4p. Surely there must be some gray area of p4p and civie? You seem to disagree and feel providers were just born that way?

devlish1 113 reads
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20 / 57

You're right. Guess I should stop hobbying too since that's a criminal offense, haha!

devlish1 95 reads
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21 / 57

Even with providers if you mention money it will get you blocked. I've been hobbying for 10 years so know the basics.

It doesn't seem like anyone responding has any experience in this. Just lots of armchair naysayers..

gentleguy1020 38 Reviews 146 reads
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22 / 57

be very sociable. Depending on you social skill and social context (single or married etc.) you might be positively surprised if you play your cards right.  
And, if it leads nowhere (like CDL’s social life) you won’t be kicked out of the gym.
Good luck and please report back  ... :)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
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23 / 57

On things you have never done yourself.  How about a few made-up stories of your successes with civvie women first.
Bwahahahahaha

Robertini 4 Reviews 154 reads
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24 / 57

Work, school etc.
But at a one time free pass gym, sure.
I'll go laughing out loud as I'm escorted out by staff.
I'll never see them again or I might keep seeing her again.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 85 reads
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26 / 57

Civvie girls will be offended if you offer up money in exchange for amore.  Even sluts will be offended.

 

Generally, working girls are biZ women who willingly offer up sex for money.  When they retire and become civvies, they will be offended if you offer up money in exchange for amore.  Just my opinion.

 
So you want some advice on ensnaring one of these lovlies.  How about catch one of their eyes.  Flash your smile.  And ask her how many boyfriends she has?  Follow up with surely one for each day of the week!  And you'd like to interview for Tuesday.  

GaGambler 97 reads
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27 / 57

The point that most of us are making is that if you don't have the innate game to pull it off you are much more likely to get slapped in the face, (or reported to management) than you are to get laid.

 
A HUGE percentage of women "Fuck for money" in one sense or another, but most of them hate even the mere suggestion that they are a "whore". The secret is how to offer them money without making them feel like a prostitute, and that skill can't be taught here. Most likely any advice in that regard that you receive here will only blow up in your face and leave you looking for a new gym. lol

 
But ok, I will give you one "small" hint on how to at least get them in the position where you can even bring up the subject without coming off as a creeper. Start a conversation with them about anything, (if you can't do this on your own without help, PLEASE just drop the entire idea), guide the conversation towards the lousy pay they must be getting at their job, once they start whining about how tough their life is financially, you can then steer the conversation around to how good they look and perhaps mention that you are surprised that they don't have a "rich boyfriend" taking care of them. During your conversation look for possible segues where you can drop some subtle hints about your willingness to "help them out" a bit in a flirtatious way and then WAIT to see if she gives you an opening. The key is to WAIT until you have an opening to bring up the subject in a non offensive way, if you just blurt it out you have ZERO chance of success

useyrhead 4 Reviews 97 reads
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28 / 57

I agree with GaG here.

 
But i would be wary of the conversational gambit of making comments about their low pay. As he said, *guide* the conversation. Things that have worked for me are “seems like a pretty cool place to work - how do you like it here?”. Say this with a smile on your face and genuine interest or her guard is likely to go up.  

 
The point is to, as much as possible, guide the conversation organically and in a way that shows interest in who she is and how she feels.

 
Beyond that, you’re on your own. If you can’t make the girl feel relaxed and appreciated for who she is and what she wants out of life, just don’t do it.

hobbyhunter69 89 Reviews 105 reads
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29 / 57

disregard the previoius post--if you ever read the "know it all's" reviews you would see that he specializes in embellishing early bird special ($250.00) experiences and justifying them into "there's no need to spend more for a true 8/9 or 10".  He is however the All-World TER reviewer in volume though.  LOL

refinedtwist925 96 reads
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30 / 57

Ahh, I see now. You are suffering from what’s known as DHS. The technical term for this is Delusional Hobby Syndrome. This is an affliction that impacts 1 out of every 10 hobbyists. This is where the usually male counterpart starts combining the civvie world into the hobby world. This usually impacts new hobbyists that are exploring their new found world. They start to assume that literally every half decent looking woman they run across is openly a pro and doesn’t mind at all that you walk up to them completely out in the open with a wad of cash and immediately start discussing menu choices. In severe cases this has been known to happen in grocery store lines, during parent teacher conferences, and even at your local gym. Luckily, there is a treatment plan and this must be followed very strictly and you must follow both parts. Now you can skip the whole treatment plan if you have good enough game, but...well...nuff said...First and foremost, assume everyone you meet in your civvie life is in fact not a pro. Assume that they don’t actually like to openly discuss particulars and don’t carry around a laminated menu for you to peruse.  The second part of the treatment plan involves seeing a certified medical (not really) professional. Luckily, TER takes this very seriously and has designed a customized medical provider directory that you can use. Now you’ll notice that there isn’t an option to search by your insurance carrier. We tried very hard to include this in ObamaCare discussions, we even recruited a high powered NFL owner to assist, but sadly, we couldn’t get this considered as a qualified covered service (pun intended). Now you need to be careful as to not overuse this treatment plan as it could lead to something even worse known as FPS which the technical term is Free Pussy Syndrome. This is when the usually male counterpart is having so much paid fun, they automatically start to take on the persona that they are so good, everyone should give it to them for free. During the early stages of the treatment, you should avoid any trips to strip clubs or Vegas as this tends to blur the line between civvie and hobby life. Over time, you can overcome this thru active treatment or multiple kicks to the groin from continuing to follow your own bad advice. And for any of those medical professionals that ultimately get a referral due to my excellent and thorough medical advice, I’m happy to except free or discounted sessions as a thank you referral fee...

devlish1 98 reads
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31 / 57

Good tip/hint but unfortunately doubt it will work as I speak little Spanish and they speak little English :-(

Thinking about it some more and maybe my best bet is give them a gift card for Christmas and leave  my contact info.  Then wait to see if they reach out.

Alternately ask them if they clean at people's homes. Though I don't like that approach since it's deceitful since I have no interest in them cleaning my house.

cks175 51 Reviews 136 reads
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32 / 57

Since you don’t speak the language, gift cards are a great idea, and the seasonal timing is just right. Gyms about to get locked down again, so you might want to move quick on that.

Asking them to clean your place is another good idea, but you’re reticent because it’s somewhat dishonest. I wouldn’t worry about that. You’re already looking for ways to hide the truth that you’re only interested in P4P until you’re assured they would be OK with a proposition.  Just look at the “clean my apartment” ploy as a means to that end.

A third option you haven’t mentioned is complimenting them and ask if they’ve ever modeled.  Whether the answer is yes or no, ask them if they would like to model for you, given your “interest in photography”.

At the end of the day, you’ve got to make the first move. You can get all the advice in the world, but it’s worth nothing if you don’t act on it. You have to ask yourself whether your content with jerking off to the thought of having sex with those women, or if you’re ready to take that first step.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 119 reads
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33 / 57

Not to be the world's greatest cynic, and not to generalize every case, but it seems to me that most gals can be categorized as follows:

 
Those that know that they are sex workers, and those they do not realize that they are.

 
Oddly, the latter often do better in many respects than the former, my ex being a good example.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 102 reads
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34 / 57

If both of  your heads are still living the space where a hot women dressed in tight clothes is "asking for it" then just go back to the 40's and stay there.  You will fail here in 2020 and likely end up banned from the gym, sued for sexual harassment by the gym's corporate legal team and the women (a suit you will lose), and perhaps end up defending a criminal charge for soliciting.  Yes, it's also a crime to solicit a pro, but you wouldn't try that outside of the communication channels and protocols set up in the "hobby" to do so, would you?  

 
Next, why are they dressed in body tight leggings - AT A GYM?  Are you really that dense? Maybe the management prefers them to dress like customers. Maybe they get to work out there before/after their shift as a perk of working at a gym. Maybe leggings are just more comfortable then the sexy, see-through lace French Maid outfits you WISH they wore. It doesn't really matter as in this century, people get to dress any way they want to (subject to any employment or safety guidelines). It seems you, as others have pointed out, really don't have the game or understanding of the p4p space to really know why you are destined to fail if you ask one or any of these women to fuck you for cash.  Add in your lack of Spanish language skills and you are asking for a punch in the face.  

 
Here's my suggestion for accomplishing your stated goal:  Read a bunch of reviews here and look at their provider ads.  Then book with someone who looks like one of the three women and who will role play the "cleaning woman" fantasy for you.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 116 reads
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35 / 57

You can get a Rosetta Stone module and learn their language...it's the roadblocks and obstacles in life that make it so much fun!!!!

 

Did I ever think I'd fall in love with an alleged retired working girl?  Fuck no.  Did I every think she'd also be a vampire?!  D'oh.

GaGambler 113 reads
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36 / 57

Necesito una criada que haga más que limpiar la casa jaja

mrfisher 115 Reviews 136 reads
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37 / 57

I will spell out the problem for you.

 
It has to do with the concept of appropriateness.

 
For many if not most women, to have a stranger approach and offer money for sex is extremely inappropriate.    They would be very justified in feeling threatened by this, and I would venture that in many cases they would bring their concerns to the authorities, who would then deem you a transgressor, with all the terrible implications that would ensue from there.

 
In other words, it's a great way to land your ass in the can.

 
If I am hungry, I don't go up to someone peacefully enjoying their meal in a restaurant and offer to pay them for giving me some of their food.   It's not that they may be averse to selling you food (Why are they eating all that great food in front of me when I'm hungry), it's more about appropriateness.

 
Similarly when I am horny, I don't approach women, even sexily clad ones, and offer money for sex.   I call up an escort.

 
They wear sexy clothes because that's what our society deems appropriate for the purposes of attracting a possible mate for long or even short term relationships.   Our society once condemned people for dressing in an alluring manner, but we have progressed as we count on people being able to control their impulses.

 
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

 
I apologize  for assuming you were joking, but given the weird stuff that appears on these boards, I don't think you can blame me too much now.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 115 reads
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38 / 57

but you still miss the point by an AU.

 
The point about showing any interest "do they show any interest in having some type of sexual interaction with you?"  

 
If you have ever been someplace where prostitution is either legal or well tolerated you can see how the sexily dressed respond to you -- eye contact, coy smile, look though you like you're not there.... Of those that pay any attention some will be interested in P4P only while other might be open to P4P but really more interested in some type of sexual interaction or an actual relationship even if it's short term.

 
You seem to be saying these cleaning women are twisting my arm to pay them for sex -- but it seems that is all in YOUR mind.

 
You asked and seems like most think you should stick to the exercise activities at the gym. You can ignore the advise you requested or listen as you wish.

inicky46 61 Reviews 123 reads
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39 / 57

Impossible.
Which explains why that "burning" sensation ain't coming from your ears. LOL

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 99 reads
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41 / 57

looked like one off mine.  Lol

mrfisher 115 Reviews 112 reads
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GaGambler 109 reads
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43 / 57

I just said it can't be done by anyone with so little game he has to come on a fuckboard to ask how it's done. It's much the same as an average looking guy asking how to approach a supermodel. For the record, average looking guys land the supermodel types all the time, but NONE of them are on the internet asking "how is it done?"  

 
Some things are teachable, other things are innate. Balls and finesse, with the proper amount of each, are things that you are born with, they really are not teachable.

 
For the record I have never found any women on a gym cleaning staff attractive enough to proposition, but I have successfully scored with non pros by using money, and yes I have even done so with women who barely speak English. The beauty about trying this with non English speaking women is that you can always blame it on something "getting lost in translation" in the very likely case that she not only says no, but gets offended. lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 105 reads
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Its like, "If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it," only in this  case, if you have to ask how to do it, there is no hope you will actually pull it off.  I have to agree.  

 
There is no set formula for making this work, so that's why its naïve to ask here.  I'm sure there are many guys here who have perfected their own techniques for bringing civvie girls over to the P4P side. But that's the key.  They each have learned what works for THEM, and what works for them may not work for the next guy.  The only way to avoid getting slapped in this situation is to have been with enough women (and I'm talking hundreds or even a few thousand) to know how they think, and to be extremely quick on your feet when it comes to being on the spot trying to make this happen.  

 
I agree about women with limited English.  You always have a way out by blaming the translation.  

cks175 51 Reviews 118 reads
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45 / 57

We’ve read a variety of responses that fall into three basic categories:

1. DON’T ATTEMPT IT AT ALL.
 These responses have focused on legal/civil repercussions with a dash of moralizing against viewing civvies as P4P candidates.

2. THIS SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED BY GENTLEMAN WHO POSSESS EXTRAORDINARY CONFIDENCE AND EXPERIENCE.
There were some pretty convincing points made in this category, but at the end of the day, experience is gained only by making the first attempt, and any high reward endeavor comes with high risk. As long as Devlish is comfortable with possible failure, his assumed lack of experience in this particular skill set should not be a show stopper.

3. PRACTICAL ADVICE
Devlish acknowledged many obstacles to initiating the P4P dialogue with these women. Work arounds were offered up.  Translator apps, gift cards, ruses (clean his apartment, photoshoot, first date). For improved confidence, reading a book like “The 3% Man”.

4. CONCLUSION  
At this point in the conversation, it looks like all possible options have been discussed. Devlish has seen a list of ingredients and instructions, but at this point all that’s left to do is create the recipe with those ingredients that best suits his taste.  

If Devlish moves forward with a plan, that would be a topic worthy of a new thread.  Happy Hunting!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 96 reads
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46 / 57

the cleaning ladies at the gym don't usually dress like this.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 233 reads
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47 / 57

a Kgirl, you would probably review them just like I did.  But you are ignorant in this market segment, so you talk out your ass.  The problem is, as long as you remain "hardonhunter", looking for the elusive wood that left you years ago, you are not likely to get the chance to see one.  Go ahead and speculate.  

hobbyhunter69 89 Reviews 121 reads
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48 / 57

Come on.  The only exercise that you get is with your pinky and thumb as you jerk off.

skynard 18 Reviews 98 reads
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devlish1 144 reads
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50 / 57

After reading all the replies, my plan is to have my ATF dress up as they do, i.e leggings with a T-shirt that exposes their midriff.

All other options seem futile :-(

DaveMogal 74 Reviews 121 reads
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51 / 57

Things can get crazy if you decide to breakup lol.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 99 reads
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53 / 57

turn an iffy  situation into a sure thing.  Good thinking.  Role play can solve a multitude of problems.

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 116 reads
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MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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55 / 57

Not sure what you are insinuating  "they aren't strangers to sex" . I mean unless they are virgins they have sex before. Are you making your assumption based on the way they are dressed?

prevtaylorsteele See my TER Reviews 111 reads
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56 / 57

Maybe because we live in a country where women can dress any way they want that makes them feel amazing lol. If you can't handle it, that's your problem, not theirs lol

Posted By: devlish1
Re: Tell us you're joking please.
Curious what you find funny about my post? Why are they dressing all sexy if they don't want men interested in them?!

prevtaylorsteele See my TER Reviews 107 reads
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57 / 57

You sound ALOT like someone here always asking oddball questions about the women of this world...

What's my favorite color?😊
Posted By: devlish1
Re: Don't mention money!!!
Even with providers if you mention money it will get you blocked. I've been hobbying for 10 years so know the basics.  
   
 It doesn't seem like anyone responding has any experience in this. Just lots of armchair naysayers..

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