Hi again...

Yes I'm still here in LA. What is driving me mad is when a gent reads my reviews then asks me if I am FS. Or when he says, "what do I get for this"? It makes me not want to see him. What do you guys/gals do? Do you continue the conversation? I also want to know about gents trying to lower the donation. It upsets me because I know what I offer. I feel the donation is for the experience...(sigh). Don't get me wrong. The people I have met from this site have been so nice to me. I'm still learning and I would like to know the nice way to deal with this.

As for discounts, your price is very fair, just tell them to shop at Costco if they want price over quality. The legiot guys won't haggle you. The cheap guys you don't want to see anyway. Most small time hagglers are jerks and not worth YOUR time. You are a doll. Just believe it.

Don't see him.

When guys start asking "questions" (about service, etc) I usually direct them BACK to my website.

I'll say something like:

You know I dont discuss those things for obvious (or security) reasons, if you go to the services page on my website you will find all the information you need.

Most of the time they wont press me to be more specific and will set the appointment. Sometimes they will say "Okay I'll call back". Of course they do not call back. Their loss!

I often think to myself: "If you can look at my website/reviews and STILL cant figure out what I'm offering, perhaps you need a new hobby! LOL!

Sable
xoxo

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Just imagine me wrapped around you, massaging your neck and scalp as we drift off into sweet slumber together...

'night

Hi Taylor:

I don't accept "donations".  Donations are for charities and I am not a charity.  I provide a service for which there is a fee.   The use of the word "donation" turns me off to the caller.


Tell Negotiators that your price is firm.  Once again, this is not a charity.


Terminate conversations that aren't going well asap.  It will save you the frustration of wasting time on a wanker.


There is nothing that is a bigger turn-off than a caller asking incriminating questions (besides being an LE red flag).  Anyone that is not smart enough to "get it" is not worth seeing.  They'll eventually figure it out or they won't.  Don't make them your problem to fix, is my best advice.
There are way too many review sites on the net to excuse solicitious behavior.


Ciao,

Talisa

I'd have to agree that engaging in pointless and possibly incriminating conversation with people who will probably never be real clients (of mine) is one of the aggravations of this occupation, so I'd also have to agree with those who've said that knowing when to terminate the conversation is  the key.  I think some of these guys just like talking about it, you know what I mean?  And those that think they're going to haggle you down should definitely get another hobby!

-Anya

Hey girl!! LTNS!!

I think you strategy is right on...just send them back to the website. However, it might be noted that your web page is just a TAD more clear on what a guy should expect and what it will cost him than some others I have seen.

I think some ladies perhaps assume just a tiny bit too much about the knowledge and comfort level of hobbyist, especially newbies. You see a number of guys who are experienced and know the drill, so you're thrown of guard by a guy who doesn't exactly know the lingo, or is terribly nervous (I mean, it *IS* illegal, and this is NOT a small hurdle for a first timer with a real life, wife...career and thus "something to lose" potentially). I would very gently suggest that you ladies cut obvious newbies just a little bit of slack...just as much as you feel comfortable with (LE concerns and all), but try to not lose patience.

In regards to rates...ok, that is just stupid. I personally think that if a guy is trying to negotiate the rate for a relatively inexpensive (at least it should be...if it isn't then he needs a new hobby) illegal activity, he is an idiot and not worth the hassle. I try to get the best price I can on virtually everything in life, but this in one situation where haggling really shouldn't be part of the equation. You either can / will pay it, or you can't / won't. I wouldn't bother with such a moron.

Again, good to see you babe!!

You know I am a fan of yours dear, but I have to say that your web page isn't as crystal clear about what a gent could expect as some others might be.

I am sure this is intentional, and perhaps your stated endeavors are indeed your primary focus. I am just saying (meekly, BTW, as to not upset the lovely lady) that a guy might pass by your website, like what he sees, but never know just HOW much fun could be had. I know I wouldn't (and granted, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor the most experienced) if I hadn't seen you posting here. Sweetie, you don't even have reviews to confirm the experiences other guys have had, so how is a guy to know?

Just saying...be prepared to cut those of us who are a bit slower a little slack.

Again, regarding rates however...I personally would just terminate a conversation with anyone who tried to negotiate a lower rate. It just strikes me as a bad harbinger of things to come.

I know I'm not in the same boat, exactly, but I'm working on updates to the site, (the rates page, in particular,) that should help.

-Anya

Every now and again, I will get someone, who truly does not know what certain things mean and they will ask questions that shouldnt be asked. Then there are the gents who ask for things that they should not ask for, such as lowering the donation or asking, "what do they get."  If this is even mentioned, do not make arrangements with that person. If they are giving you a hard time by email or phone, imagine what a headache they will be when you meet them. Thinking back to when I first started, I did see a few of these people and they are always a problem.
Sincerely, Alyssa

My thoughts....

1) You are LOVELY!!

2) Very classy web page. For someone still learning, you certainly are off to a great start in regards to setting up your business it appears

3) As posted in a couple other spots...I would...if you feel comfortable (being mindful of LE and what have you) try to be a little patient with an obvious newbie and his questions. Your web page does make things pretty plain to ME...but if I were to see you, it wouldn't be my first experience. However, remembering my first time...being so afraid of both rip-offs and LE, I MIGHT have misunderstood all your references to massage, dinner and dancing. Now, if a guy says he has read your reviews, that means he is both somewhat familiar with the hobby AND has read about the apparently quite delightful experiences of others. Potential idiot...I say avoid. However...if he is clearly a newbie...I say...speaking as a former newbie (and a real dumb one at that)...perhaps just a touch of patience would be in order.

4) Don't deal with anyone who wants to negotiate rates. I would consider this a red flag jerk alert...especially since you state that tipping insisted expected (helping to alleviate any "up sell" fears).

Good luck and continued success!!

Give someone a break

Hello Taylor,

I share your concern about someone NOT reading your ad properly and fully comprehending what services you provide or don't provide.   I echo some of the sentiments stated in this thread, in that NOT all ads are crystal clear; thus, leaving the hobbyist a little confused.   Also, some providers specify X and for $$$ do Y.  Granted, I would never discuss that over the phone for obvious reasons.

There is a similar thread on this bulletin board ...something about negotiating a fee.   Now, I respect the right of the provider to demand whatever fee they feel is appropriate.  But, I wouldn't hastily draw conclusions that the hobbyist is an a**hole.  Give him the  benefit of the doubt.  

A friend of mine is a new hobbyist.  A while ago, he made his first call.  He was a struggling enterprenuer, and was on a shoe string budget.  He called the provider and was very polite.  During their conversation, he informed her of his financial predicament.  He was a few $$$ short, and because he approached the issue with class the provider agreed to see him.   He is now one of her most loyal regulars.  The fee has stayed the same, and my friend hasn't forgotten the exceptions that were made.   When his company went public, he gave stock-options to the provider.

As humans, we have a tendency to get a good bargain.  Even those who shop at boutiques on Rodeo drive, Neimen Marcus, Bloomingdales, Tiffany's etc. look for a discount.

As we all are aware, the economy has been in a downward spiral for over two years.  Time are tough and there are so many people who are without a job.   All I am saying is be open-minded, and address each situation on its merit.   If someone is tacky show him the door.  On the other hand...

Well!  You get the picture.  

Have a wonderful day, my dear

Hugs,
- Incognito-XXX

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First I ask for name and look at the # on my caller Id. block # or no block #. Either way it might or might not be a red flag.

I right upfront mention " I do not discuss anything other then confirming appointment on my cell".

If he found me on the review board then he should know my companion fee and what I look like. If he need other detail info about me either go back to the review board public or member area or visit my homepage which states clearly that my rates are very reasonable and non-negotiable.

If he is a newbie " How do you really know", but either way be nice because he just might appreciate you taking the time to direct him in the right direction.

If he is still interested, I will tell him to visit me on my incall days. My fee is usually $50 cheaper and that is the lowest I will go. I will ask him if he change his mind to send me an email or catch me online and I will be glad to fit him into my schedule or direct him elsewhere.

Always give great customer service to who ever take interest enough to even call. But I'm sure I wasn't the first escort he research and called either. Don't sweat it, The only time I give discount is when a client sees me on a monthly basic or when someone drive 2-3hr on my incall days just to see me.

Personally the regular's do not even ask for discount, they gladly bring gifts.

Just my 2ct



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Ok...I'm calm again It was very nice to wake up and read that I am not loosing my mind. Thanks guys/gals.

I do have reviews on this site under my name.I feel that as was mentioned above, some gents like to talk about it so I will I curb my friendly conversation on the phone. I think if I was more to the point I wouldn't get so irritated. You guys are right about the clarity of the site. When I go home I will change the wording and the photos,(I've lost 15 pounds...yahoo!).  
I know saying what I'm going to say is bad but I'm going to say it. When I first arrived here and allowed gents to talk me down. I noticed that the same service wasn't provided as when they just gave to my,"Save the Shoes fund". I omitted the chat before and after, the wine, the massage,(which I give all my friends). Pops definately down to one. I know that is bad but after negotiating it seems like the romance is not there. For me the fun is gone.It's as if in my mind I am saying, "You wanted the bare bones, here is the bare bones". I'm still nice but fantasy for me is gone.
Also it's as though people don't respect the, "Save the Shoes fund". That is what turns me off. I hope my being honest doesn't get me flamed. If it does, that's okay. I'm from a cold Country heats a good thing.

I don't blame you in the least for responding with less enthusiasm when a gentleman (a** hole) negotiates or even tries to negotiate the price down.

In fact, I admire and appreciate your interest and effort in having a good time while you're providing one. We all need to enjoy our jobs in order to be truly excellent at them.

I wish some of these idiot guys would get the friggin picture and understand that when the woman feels respected and appreciated as well as desired they're going to have a much much better experience far beyond the lousy 50 buck or whatever they think they saved.

A provider who is treated well by her clients can continue working for many years and make a lot of money without getting run down or burnt out. You need to do everything you can to protect yourself against, not only LE and wackoes, but simply against being disrespected. I think you're on the right track with limiting your phone conversations and eliminating the perceived jerks. You may lose some money in the short term, and you may be wrong once in a while, missing out on a potential long term regular, but over-all in the long run you gain by doing this.

cheers,
riker

Its the best Free Publicity you can get.  ) so don't worry about it.  When I was getting flamed on another board, having the most horrible lies written about me, I never worked so much.  I was averaging 3 - 5 clients a day and afraid that last one would be my last so I saw everybody.  So I say "Let The Flames Begin!".


Regarding the discounts...Of course when you allowed yourself to be haggled down you didn't give the same service.  The basic tenent of bargaining is that both parties gives up something...you give up money and they give up a certain level of service.   If you had given the hagglers the same exact service, that would have been like stealing from your full-price-paying clientele...just remember that next time someone wants "a deal"...just imagine how your full-price-paying clients would feel...And Just Say No!


Congratulations on the weight loss.  I too have been losing weight by doing a brisk walk/run every day since last December...I am up to 3 miles daily now and really can see a big improvement.  I hope to be slender by year's end.

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Hey now!!! Let's be careful with that "slender" bit....California alrady has plenty of barbie doll wanna bes.....viva la difference for a voluptous woman!!!