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Payment Problems
Y2KM900 15 Reviews 1842 reads
posted
1 / 13

A couple of days ago I tried to re-up my VIP membership using Bitcoin.  I went through the payment process but the transaction never went through.  On the Bitcoin end the transaction was completed and invoiced but TER never accepted the payment.  Bitcoin issued a refund which has gone through, so no big deal. I've contacted Admin twice to see what the problem is but as yet haven't gotten any response from them.  Now my membership has expired and I'm a little reluctant waste any more time or money to go through the process again without some input from TER as to what went wrong.  Anyone have this problem?

Just_this_one_time 214 reads
posted
2 / 13
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 206 reads
posted
4 / 13

It showed up on the credit card as a payment processing company, "CCBill" which I believe is a European version of PayPal.  Should not set off any alarms if discovered by an SO.  Lately my reviews have been covering my VIP, so it may have changed, but if so, no one has mentioned it to me.  

justsauce16 4 Reviews 198 reads
posted
5 / 13

>>Bitcoin issued a refund

 
This is quite literally impossible, and you can prove it mathematically. If you sent the bitcoin and it got confirmed then it's sent. Part of the underlying transaction structure, and one of the biggest benefits is that bitcoin transactions are not reversible by design. You're also referring to this entity "bitcoin" as some sort of real commercial entity, which I assure you, also does not exist, again, by design.

 
If you'd like to read, and understand, what bitcoin is, here's a long article about it:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270287317_Bitcoin_A_simple_explanation_of_Bitcoin_and_Block_Chain_technology_JANUARY_2015_RICHARD_LEE_TWESIGE

 
Basically, show us the blockchain.info transaction record that went through (aka was confirmed) to show how TER stole your bitcoins. I think it's much more likely that the company you were sending bitcoin through tried to scam you.

Y2KM900 15 Reviews 126 reads
posted
6 / 13

Are you way deep into the sauce?  I never claimed TER stole anything, just the opposite.  They never accepted the payment.   And for the record, I'm copy/pasting the invoice, it's not worth the bother tho screenshot it for you.

 
Refund Complete

AMOUNT REFUNDED
0.041885 BTC
ADDRESS

1mZEe9JwqcBP5AQwg5WsdGM7pTc3BJBnm
The refund for your underpayment to The Erotic Review, made May 14th, 2017 at 6:12pm UTC, has been processed. A refund of 0.041885 BTC has been sent to your bitcoin address over the Bitcoin network.
View Invoice →
Posted By: justsauce16
Re: Hmmm
>>Bitcoin issued a refund  
   
   
 This is quite literally impossible, and you can prove it mathematically. If you sent the bitcoin and it got confirmed then it's sent. Part of the underlying transaction structure, and one of the biggest benefits is that bitcoin transactions are not reversible by design. You're also referring to this entity "bitcoin" as some sort of real commercial entity, which I assure you, also does not exist, again, by design.  
   
   
 If you'd like to read, and understand, what bitcoin is, here's a long article about it:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270287317_Bitcoin_A_simple_explanation_of_Bitcoin_and_Block_Chain_technology_JANUARY_2015_RICHARD_LEE_TWESIGE  
   
   
 Basically, show us the blockchain.info transaction record that went through (aka was confirmed) to show how TER stole your bitcoins. I think it's much more likely that the company you were sending bitcoin through tried to scam you.

justsauce16 4 Reviews 142 reads
posted
7 / 13

This invoice says "underpayment", which makes me think you just didn't send enough bitcoin. If this invoice came from TER then that makes perfect sense. In this hypothetical case, you've underpaid for your VIP service, and TER sent you bitcoin back as a refund.

 
If you read the bitpay fine print under the bitcoin payment option, you'll see that the rate you're getting is only good for 15 minutes, so provided you sent the right amount of coin, the value of it could have changed, and if you waited longer than 15 minutes to fire off that transaction you likely had this happen.
I've used bitpay in the past, and have always made sure to have the transaction from my wallet ready to go, hit the bitpay button to get the barcode, copy/paste the address and amount into my wallet and hit go as quickly as possible, to avoid exactly this.

It's important to realize that there is no such thing as "accepting" a payment with bitcoin. If the transaction is confirmed by the network, whatever bitcoin address you sent the funds to now has your bitcoin. It seems like you have a fundamental misunderstanding with how this process works.

You're also not getting any additional privacy by using a NATO based bitcoin wallet provider, because they have to keep records of who buys what and sends it where. In order to get the anonymity, you'd have to send it  to a wallet you own and control, then to TER. Because this intermediate wallet isn't auditable, it's impossible to prove it was you that sent TER the coins.  

The way you phrased your question was that "bitcoin" had sent you a refund, when in fact TER had sent you a refund. That's what threw me for a loop, not the sauce. I don't usually drink while the sun's still up, unless I'm somewhere tropical, then all bets are off.

Y2KM900 15 Reviews 125 reads
posted
8 / 13

First, I've been using bitcoin to pay for TER for a while.  I am familiar  he process and believe it of not, I can read, so I get the 15 minute part, too.
Ter never got the funds, so they couldn't have sent a refund.  I specified $75USD to the bitcoin address provided by TER, initiated the payment and according to Bitcoin, the payment went through.  I kept the page open for the payment to TER, and watched as the clocked ticked down, with the payment never being accepted by TER.  I contacted Coinbase, where I have my bitcoin wallet, they got right back to me, asked for the details of the transaction, and I had a refund.  With still no response from the admins here, I again submitted payment to TER of $75 USD worth of bitcoin at the current rate.  This time the payment was accepted.  Then I get a notice that I had underpaid, with a request for additional bitcoin.  Back to Coinbase, another transaction to another TER bitcoin address and I'm good. I don't really get the underpayment thing unless someone on one end or the other is either slow to update the rate, or playing games with it.

lhooq 108 Reviews 204 reads
posted
9 / 13

Which gift card did you use?  I tried this once a few years ago and it didn't work.

justsauce16 4 Reviews 114 reads
posted
10 / 13

See, you keep adding details here that would have been helpful and really change the story. That makes you hard to help.  

 
The invoice you copy/pasted above does not have a valid bitcoin address in it, and the transaction it's detailing isn't on blockchain.info. As far as the network is concerned, it never happened. This would have to be coinbase's fault, which would explain why coinbase happily gave you your bitcoins back.

 

Your underpayment from TER is up to them. Bitpay should be cashing them out immediately, so the rate at the time the 15minute countdown was started is the rate. If you calculated the rate elsewhere then you wouldn't have sent the right amount, if you sent what bitpay told you to, it shouldn't have had any issues. They could be fudging the rates trying to get whatever they view the current bitcoin market rate they want. That seems odd that they'd even bother with that, or bother with bitcoin in general.  

 
Again, I'm left wondering why you don't just use a credit card. You're not getting any additional privacy by using bitcoin here.

crissy808 See my TER Reviews 154 reads
posted
11 / 13

Lost Bitcoin. When I changed my address to Georgia they didn't believe me and I lost my money. It wasn't much but it was enough for me to avoid Bitcoin forever. Mosquito bites are still annoying.

justsauce16 4 Reviews 162 reads
posted
12 / 13

Was this with coinbase?

 

Bitcoin isn't a private entity, it's a network of hundreds of thousands of computers. You can't just "lose" your bitcoin if you have them in a private wallet that you're hosting. When you're hosting it, you're part of the thousands of computers that makeup the network.

 
What likely happened in your case is that whoever you were using to store your bitcoins saw your transactions as fraudulent, and asked you to prove who you were. When you couldn't they froze your account. This is just like a regular bank, because you're relying on someone else, aka 3rd party trust, and you got burned because they no longer trusted you.  

Coinbase has pretty good support, and should be able to help you, even now. I'm curious to know how exactly this went down, and why you blame "bitcoin" and not the company you were dealing with.

stickit55 29 Reviews 120 reads
posted
13 / 13

I've been using gift cards for a while. Recently I couldn't figure out how to do it on the new site. Went back to the classic version for the transaction.

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