And what makes you feel like they are there just to annoy you?

I don't go to the bank every time I need a few hundred bucks, the envelope is silly, and "insisting" on it just gives me an insight into the lady's attitude.

The form DOESNT make it EASIER for everyone. That is the point. It MAY make it easier for you, I get that, but it doesn't for most of the guys I know. It gums up the works and makes it MORE difficult.

The worst aggravation is often trying to get someone to get back to you in a timely way, or changing the date time or day unexpectedly.  Those have been more aggravating

So it is not the asking, it's the demanding, that you have a problem with?

That's the main reason that I chose not to go with a form on mine... There were a number of threads about not getting them. I do understand that not all security is secure, too.  

How do you feel about auto-responses? That's another one I've seen get a little blowback on here. After changing my email, I set up an auto response on the old one for six months saying I had a new one forward this there blah blah blah, and I'm really surprised at the number of people who haven't bothered. Do they just so often come without any useful additional info that guys don't read them?

... Is poor communication prior to a meeting.  I am about to cancel on a top-rated lady in LV, because she only responds when she damn well feels like it.  I have limited windows to hobby, and having an appointment in limbo for days at a time annoys the hell out of me.  I respect others peoples time and I expect the same in return.  If a provider won't communicate effectively pre-meeting, then I won't accept the risk of the appointment actually happening.  

It's been weighing on my mind, and one of the reasons I chose not to use one. I don't know much, but I do know there are people that do, lol

But back when I did, a reminder message would pop up telling me I needed to fill out sections, 3 & 5 (making this up) or whatever.

When you put on your site, (the generic you. I have never read your site) that the only way to contact you to schedule an appointment is to "completely fill out your screening form before I will respond, please no texts, emails or phone calls" You can bet your last dollar that I will NEVER respond to an ad that reads this way.

Personally I will give a hooker every thing short of my SSAN if it makes her feel more comfortable, but it's the "feeling" of having to jump through hoops that is a complete turn off for me. I think to myself, "If that's the way she is going to be when trying to get my business, how big a bitch is she going to be in person?"

I prefer sending an email that is more of personal introduction in a narrative context. I do try to include all the info required in the appt request form. But I tend to compose my request in such a way that gives the lady some insight as to my personality and character .  Plus I usually have some flex as to when I can meet. Forms usually don't give you the freedom to state that "I  can seeyou Tues or Wednesdays , depending on what works best for you".  

90% of the time I won't even send an inquiry so don't ask us to do something unless it's really necessary (?).

The "on the dresser" insistence is because, on the whole, guys don't want us to count the money but some also don't want to pay us. If it's not clearly visible fairly quickly, how is she to know you're not the latter? If it's sealed, how is she to know there's even money in there? Why is making sure she's not concerned you're there to rob and basically rape her such a problem for you that you would avoid any woman who suggests you do so?

!,000's of choices out there. I suspect that some girls who want us to jump through hoops are hoping to find the wimpiest easiest to please customers. There is no need to see those types.

I realize not everyone has the time for this kind of thing, but I do enjoy getting to know someone a little bit. It's not like the guy (or girl, I don't judge lol) has to send me his resume, but it's amazing what a huge difference there is when you've gotten a "feel" for someone. I used to (agency) spend the first 15 minutes just trying to figure out what kind of personality he had and where we could go with it. Now that I'm Indy, I really like at least knowing the guy is going to come in and be shy, or have a big booming personality, or likes cars, or hates a specific sports team. It's the little things that seem silly that make things go smoothly.  

Forms are ridiculous. E-mail is the way to go.  

...I dont really run into any inconveniences. I always have envelopes on hand....and I don't fill out forms. I have never come across a provider that won't accept an informative email in place of a form.

I almost always drop the donation on the dresser or nightstand as I am disrobing, sans envelope, but always in plain sight.  

The lady makes the rules and I can either follow them, or decide not to contact her at all.    

...it seems to me that both of you are on the same page and view, but are both being obstinate and talking past each other... Or maybe just egging each other knowing you'll get a rise out of the other...

And never will.

...I've never had to jump through any "hoops". I try to keep this simple. I see someone I'd like to meet on P411, I check her reviews, I check her website, I send a request though P411, she replies (or not), we set a date and time, I call when I arrive, I drop the donation (I do use an envelope if I have one handy, if not, I don't), we have fun and I leave.  

I can see user ignored, user ignored, user ignored...

I couldn't agree more. As small as these requests may be, I'll instantly move on once I see it. It's really not worth the time and maybe you would get along with the person, but it's off-putting initially.

If I recall correctly, your insistence that we not arrive early was kind of ridiculous, especially in urban areas where traffic can be an issue.  How would you even know anyway as long as the gent didn't text or call you? I sometimes arrive early, but just do work until about 5 minutes before the agreed upon time, then text or call. No big deal. Which is what GaG said as well.  

I use P411 and have about a dozen OKs.  If that's not enough for her I'll take my business elsewhere.  Plenty of tuna in the sea.
But as for the envelope, I have no problem with that.  I never check to see if she requires one and always use one.  It's so easy to do and most gals seem to prefer it, so why not?  Of course, if I happened to stumble on her site and read some stringent language about requiring an envelope or else, I'd find that off-putting and might not book.

As I freely admitted I had never even read Charlie's site when making that comment.

...and I agree, if through my research I find any kind of attitude or drama, I'll usually pass... Life's too short for that crap... Plus there are plenty of willing gals who know how to let their hair down and have a little fun.

Hoops hoops .. as it is animal training Usage of the words is already suggestive ..

While I don't particularly care whether a client fills out the form on my website, emails me, or calls me with the information I require, what I really don't understand is why so many clients have this idea that ANY of those methods is really all that secure.  

You are absolutely correct, there is ZERO guarantee that once someone has your personal info that it won't be used against you. Most guys already know this, the few that don't are getting a very strong reminder over this AM debacle.

It's a good thing that no one believes a word that BBBBB says here.

Should I also help with definitions of the words?

I'm referring to him always having to prove his point and try to press others buttons.

...and is pretty close to the truth. You may be an opinionated blowhard, but you are nice to those you respect... And I mean that in the nicest way... LOL

always having to have the last word. THAT'S incredibly annoying. Just my .02 worth.

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...but I have to agree with you there. It applies to quite a few of us also... The key is not to take it too seriously...

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I bet her board persona is getting her lots of biz.

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Perhaps because she is wrong.  At least according to Merriam-Webster.  All the negative definitions of "nice" are "obsolete."  Oh, the irony!

I didn't have a form. I simply asked for screening information. I didn't have near the problems with getting screening info  then. This new freebie site already had a form built in...I'm thinking I'm gonna go back to doing my own pretty soon. I always got plenty of compliments on my site Have a wonderful evening!

I put all that shit on my site as well, but quite frankly it's for newbs, not vets who know what's up. I don't care if you TER boys shove that envelope up my ass, but at least lube it up first. P.S. Charlie is just your type, Gambler lol.  

Thank you for definition-  
now lets learn how to use words to  build informative  phrases  

It's an art, and takes trial and error (as long as it doesn't compromise safety on both ends.)

She gets crossed off my list immediately. I'm trying to decide if I want to give you money. Why would you create an extra step that makes it harder for me to do so?

capturing, reselling & cross-matching the info that gives us pause ..

But that aside, who is complaining about jumping through hoops?

I bank at Chase.  Do you have any idea how many customers they have?

... oh sorry... I forgot to bring an envelope to put the money in.  

I use to use them a few years ago. Now I recycle the plastic bags I use for lunch to put the money in. They also come in handy to put the used condoms, condom wrappers, and baby wipes in to take away from incall to dispose.

Wow! You are one weird dude.

No point in having her trash filled with evidence. Or having the toilet get messed up with condoms. I take my cum with me so there won't be a NBA baby daddy scandal.

you get weirder.
Do you really think she's going to take a turkey baster to your used condom and inject herself with you cum so she can soak you for child support?
You are soooooo paranoid.

...my form is for convenience for both parties, not to mention it looks more professional. As long as I can get the information I need to confirm that I need to confirm, I don't mind. I had a gentleman call and give me all the information as I went through the screening process, and if it puts his mind at ease I'm happy to do it.

If a gentleman does not start out by introducing himself in some way, I always try to encourage him to do so for two reasons. First, I really do want to know more about this person, and second, I like to gauge a person's character through his or her writing. I think it can be quite a useful metric in many cases.

He is worried some hooker is going to extort him for all those hundreds of dollars he makes in the market.

And I suppose he was thinking that he wasn't leaving any DNA evidence.

A few times after a session, I've opened the bank envelope and found a withdrawal receipt showing his account balance.  (Thats just TMI... but sometimes eye-opening!)  

Once a month I go through and update my website, so once a month, I have questions that could be best answered by those I'm building the site *for*. As you know, sometimes I ask little or very specific questions on Twitter, but when it's something more general and better posed to a large audience, I come here.  

I offer both email and contact form for information.  Lots of times, guys will fill out my contact form and ask that they be contacted via text message to complete screening. No problem.  As long as I get the info I need, I try my best not to make it harder than it needs to be.

especially about the part regarding envelopes.

This time was an exception and THAT is what prompted my PM to you. You WERE being quite reasonable, but if you don't want the olive branch, don't worry I won't be offering it again.

Look at the way you have spoken to me and continue to over 3+ years. Of course I don't put up with you.  

I am hardly the only person who think you are usually quite the whack job, and that's why you being "reasonable" for a change was such a shocker. I am sort of relieved to see you revert to form.

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