What's with some providers with their listings that say "WHITES ONLY" or please no black men ? No African American men men thank you...Does race really matter in the hobbyists field? Just curious  

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There are no rules regarding discrimination in an ILLEGAL business, so you will just have to get over it and find providers who see men of all races. You won't make sense of why, so it's a moot issue as it has been from day one. Providers can do whatever we want..end of story...and it goes beyond race as well. If a provider does not want to see overweight, uncircumsized, young, old, or bald guys..she does not have to and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. That's the way it is.

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LOL good one

we live in a free country..we all have freedom of choice..they have the choice to do with their bodies as they see fit..no reason has to be given..they alone have the right to see or not to see whomever they want to..

When I first started out I posted on BP mainly.  It seemed like the majority of black men who contacted me were time wasters/NCNS or pimps trying to trick me into working for them.  The few black men I did see came into my hotel dressed inappropriately and drew attention.  I started putting "no African American men" on my ads and actually got a lot of threatening phone calls and texts saying I was a rascist hoe and they will find me etc.  I found other advertising websites that attracted a different crowd and through these sites I would see black men, as these men were more courteous and respectful than the lot from BP.  After a while I decided to skip the statement on my BP ads all together, because I figured there are just as many thugs of other races as there are of african Americans.  Now if someone contacts me and has bad grammar and can't speak proper English (unless they are foreign) I hang up the phone.  I have to admit I looked into the stereotype more than I should have but I'm pleased to say all of my black clients in the recent months have been courteous, friendly and respectful.  So unless someone is truly rascist, screening is the best way to weed out bad apples of all races.

Instead of worrying about why, just find someone who will see you. Do you really want to be with someone who does not want to be with you? You expect that is going to be a fun session?

I just have a better time when with white women.  I don't think there is racism involved in my case: I am not, and I wasn't rejected.

Fat/black maybe different for other reasons such as hygiene and safety.

No black males, no Middle Eastern males. Period, end of story.

I asked my limo driver, sent by the Chicken Ranch, about this policy. His response was straight-forward: they've had many more bad experiences with black men and Middle Eastern men being too rough and physical to the extreme with the ladies.

I asked him what would happen if a black man booked on the phone and they didn't pick up on that fact and he arrived in the limo to pick him up? His answer was that he would apologize and tell the man that the Chicken Ranch was booked for a private party at the last minute and that he was unable to take him to Pahrump.

It is a sad truth that a percentage of providers believe a greater proportion of black men treat them like "ho's and tricks."  This includes a number of black providers, so you can't say they're prejudiced unless it's against people who treat them like shit.

I personally agree that providers (and clients) can be as discriminating as they want, but using "being rough" as an excuse to not see black men is ridiculous.  

I have met so many white men who pounded the fock out of me to the point that I had to take time off the next day(s).  I have also met black men who were of average stamina and were far gentler (and gentlemanly) than the white guys.  

So "rough" is a bad excuse but they are probably just saying that because it sounds nicer than other things they could say.

Well, the limo driver told me that early in his tenure they had to have several men arrested and physically removed from the premises due to actually slapping or hitting the girls and none of those guys were white, hence their policy.

It makes no difference to me because it didn't affect me, and I'm just relaying what I was told by the driver who had been a driver for the CR for years and years.

Sadly some generalizations have a ring of truth and if a person has a bad experience more  than a few time, I am not in the position to tell them to keep at it till they find the nice one. Her body, her choice, just as it's a hobbyists right to visit a blond, a brunette or a BBW...choice and experience rule!!!!!!!!!

actual businesses that have a license and therefore have to abide by state and federal laws including paying taxes on every dime they make...we don't have to abide by those same rules, so good luck.  Please direct me to a link where "guy sues hooker for being a racist" in a state where it's illegal to operate..thanks. Your theory does not hold water...we are independents. There is no "Better Business Bureau" to govern illegal hookers. We can be arrested for a variety of offenses, but discrimination is not one of them.

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And it's because many Korean communities are fairly small and they fear they'll see someone from a family they know and get outed.

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I think you make good points.  It's more attitude than race for most people.

the guys that treat you rough? Just wondering because thats one of many woman complaints about AA Men. Im sure your probably telling them to stop or slow down during the session. Why would you not put an end to the visit if the guy is doin you rough? I just hate hearing the fact that your taking the pain so much that your sore the next day. Their very disrespectful!

What is with some providers having the courtesy to let guys who need not apply, know it up front?
Oh the humanity???????

Now let me get this right, it would be better to book an appointment and turn you away at their door?
Or maybe to let them come see them and the whole time you are making their skin crawl? Sorry Dude but women got a right to their own choices, hobby or not. RESPECT!

If they know what they are attracted to them so be it. I can't imagine getting busy with a gal I am 100% not attracted to! YUCK! So why would I think a woman in the hobby would want to do that?

I got news for you, I have my preferences? Yes I do!  There are some gals who are never gonna have me request some of their time and companionship.

Guess what?  I also don't eat fish, well shrimp, but no other fish than that. Does that make me a bad guy? How about the dudes who fish for a living and I am not supporting their business? In my opinion it does not make me a bad guy it makes me a guy with a preference. Honestly, I got lots of them and so do you(you being whoever is reading this). Live with it. And maybe try not making other people wrong or bad if they have their preferences different than yours. Do not recall different defined in the dictionary as wrong.

Duh Duh Duh!!!!!!!!

The simple answer is a RESOUNDING YES, with an explanation. The answer is yes to SOME women. Some women based on their experiences and for whatever reason have decided to prefer not to see certain gents. Completely their right to do so.

How about Civie Dating sites? Some gals have the audacity to put on their profiles if you do not make 100k a years don't waste your time. That is GREAT cause then I know trying to get to know that woman is not gonna work out cause I do not make enough coin! COOL, better to know that upfront than to waste her time and mine. Right?

Geez Lousie these women still have the right to their preferences. I have not been able to see some gals cause I did not get through their screening. Not based on skin color but other stuff I guess. Some the donations are just out of my range. So should I get on here and ask why the gals have their prices out of my range? It ain't all about ME dude or Dudeses. It is their decision to decide what donations work for them, not to ask me what I think I should donate.

I have been in sales most of my working life. I learned early on when they say, "No", I say "NEXT"!!!!!
Not spend time on the moral outrage about why they decided what they decided. It is their decision. Best thing for me to do at that point is get in front of another person who might say YES!!!!!!!!!

Here is what it REALLY boils down to. I am only upset if I am upset-able!!!!!! PERIOD!

And circumstances and situations do not create character, they reveal it.

What happens is how I react to stuff tells more about me than the outside circumstances.
So take a look in the mirror and see what your reaction is and look at YOU, not them.

So what is it that I really want? Intense passion with a gorgeous sexy wonderful woman or a chance to blow off steam cause I did not get what I want?

If my true desire is to get busy with a hot sexy woman when I hear no FOR WHATEVER reason then it is time to move on. So do I bellyache or move on to the next opportunity?

Their reasons do not matter, what matters is my response, not reacting and forging ahead to get what I really want.

Simple as that!

I Concur!

Shifterp OUT!

We both said the same thing sweetie, the EEOC law doesn't apply. Me from an improper application of the legal code, you from an illegal business perspective.

As for a BBB for hookers, I think that sort of gets worked out right here on this board.

Damn for you to let whatever it is go on for that long that you are out of commission or very sore the next day is plainly masochistic, and if you are masochistic, then I'll stop right here.

If you're not, there is a word you can use...stop, or if you're feeling polite, please stop, I have had enough and I am sore.

It actually makes my skin crawl to hear women put up with that type of physical pain. For what $$ or $$$?

And this has nothing to do with race. Any decent guy will stop if you let him know you're in pain. Any guy, regardless of race or religion that won't when you ask him to is a CSMFPOSA and should be reported.

So does that mean I get a ride on the mechanical bull with you?

YOUZA!

Shifterp OUT!

I like me some Asians damnit, and ya'll all know why ha ha. I don't like to generalize, but I have NEVER met an Asian man with more than six inches...ever. I am not saying they are not out there, but compared to other races I find them to be my best sessions because of this. I have seen some HUGE white boys, and had to turn them away from jump.

Well in that case LR we would get along just GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

Shifterp OUT!

There maybe tons of reason why her ad says "WHITES ONLY or no Blacks! The provider maybe scared or racist, whatever the reason she doesn't owe anyone an explanation. It's her pussy and she chooses who she want's to fuck plain and simple.

As hobbyist we don't give explanations when we choose not to see old, fat or ugly providers do we? So stop expecting these ladies whose ads say whites only to give an explanation.

God....will it EVER end???  Get the freaking chip off your shoulder.

Lol!

My point was that it's ridiculous to somehow assume that non-black men are softer or gentler lovers than their black counterparts.  Stamina is more related to a man's health and age than race.  

Thanks for looking out though.

...there was an East Indian guy who came into the brothel I worked at very briefly once just to see what it was like to be legit. You know in a brothel they have to do a dick check and examine the guy's dick in front of a blazing lightbulb. Well this guy went into the room with this girl, and suddenly she started to scream and scream. The madam and all the girls came running, and it because the guy's crotch was crawling with crabs. One of them had jumped off and landed on the girl's false eyelashes. They told his ass to leave and because he had sat on her bed briefly they washed her linens in boiling hot water and sprayed a sulfur-based disinfectant all over her room in case other crabs had gotten somewhere.


In the past, this is how they used to do lineups when it came to race. If a black man showed up at the door, the madam would quietly let all the girls know he was black, and almost none of the girls would come out for a lineup. Many of those girls had  black pimps who didn't want them seeing other black men. My personal experience has been that I don't like the attitude of Middle Eastern or East Indian men, or even some Asian men from Asia because of their disrespect and rudeness towards women. If they are BORN and raised here, that changes things. I once had a guy from India tell me " We pay the women after not before." I said " Well do you see a sign out there that says NEW DELHI or BOMBAY? We're in America, buddy, not India, in case you hadn't noticed." And his BO was so bad it smelled up my whole hotel room and so I asked him to leave. The thing is, if he had been ANY race that was smelly, rude, or disrespectful, I would have asked him to leave too. He accused me of being racist, and I said no, I'm an equal opportunist. If you're an asshole, you're an asshole, and the color doesn't matter. You're just going to stink.

I was trying to see a porn star and inquired about it and was notified that she only does white guys.

it think it's because, THIS HURTS!!

the mint chocolate chip does not scream racist when I pick the strawberry. Why do you?

I would ask him and fork lift he carried that thing around with,  to please leave.

flash backs & litterally can't perform with a black man anymore!!!! First he shorted me, I thought it odd he put it under the lamp, I had my eye on him wen he did it. ( I should have just cancelled cuz for some reason I felt something I've never hid anything in my room before but I actually hid my 2nd phone & my laptop, somethin felt wierd in the air) my security was suppose to b right out side (for some reason he took off it was his b-day I shud hav cancelled).
I dn't like checkin the donation out before hand, but even white business men hav shorted me. I was too pissed to perform I knew something was up & he had shorted me 50bucks as soon as I pickd it up & turned around THERE WAS THE GUN!!!!! I've had my share of fights (& always tell a female dnt even think to hit me cuz I've had to hold my own when on my own), there's ben a couple clients who realized small does not mean push over, but after a few whacks of that gun to my head (after stallin not to give him other money he thought I had, but seriously dude I dnt keep anything extra in the room , doesn't everyone use the front desk safe or hav someone else hold it when havin someone over).... I was terrified knowing I didn't hav anyone else set up outside the door to listen, he pulled the phone out of the wall. & amazing he found my phone tearin up my room Oh & making sure he wud continue to hit me in the head each time I tried to move around the room......I hav had a few bl men in the past that I truly enjoyed so much, they wer older & business men....But I didn't kno I was seein a blk guy (after this happened), it was an outcal & my driver standing 6ft 4inches, sittin outside in the driveway (client didn't kno & mentioned somethin about being alone of course I said yes), but the fact, I started shakin as soon as I walkd in the door, I cudn't handle it it was overwhelming......& of course mths later I tried again & got shorted again & just said fuck it!!!! I dnt like drama, I dnt like my seurity putting his life out there cuz all these little boys r assholes!!!!! If u cant afford it, pls dnt callc..l.....but white old businemen do it toooo..... One dude wudn't pay up front, & got off quick ( I DO THINGS TO MAKE IT LAST LONGER, HE CUDNT HOLD IT & HE KNEW) then decided he wud just lay down wat he felt like cuz, wel he wasn't going to be there the rest of the hour. NOT MY PROBLEM HE KNEW HE WAS GOIN TO DO IT UP FRONT...
Point is, I've talkd to other providers  off & on & 2 of them had just got robbed & beaten by a blk guy & the others had also at some point or another.....I've had a white guy try to beat me, but it was only try & no gun.....I hav flash backs over the guy....

I'm am NOT white though I am an Ethnic female and very popular. Though extremely picky on occasion many African,Latino and Chinese males contact me via email for appt/screening/etc. To be honest I WILL NOT see African men. Unless he has atleast six references from assorted ladies of the evening. I had a nasty incident with one two years ago..so I avoid them at all cost. I will even set up dates with other White,Latino,African,Mixed race,Japanese ladies that I know to get rid of them. My problem with them is many have attitudes,too aggressive in bed and if the hour and 1/2 is over they want to stay longer. The one I saw started some crap..then he even asked for a refund and threatened to knock my light's out. Because he had problems climaxing due to a coke issue. Not the kind you drink at the movies....No thanks. I will not tolerate any client regardless who is aggressive,rude,attempting to endanger my health,physically abusive,etc. Black men in general are human like everyone but I know of other black ladies who tend to pawn them off on me and I refer them to someone else. In every profession,activity there is a time limit. I refuse to mingle an entire hour with a man who "HUMP'S like a mad dog. Then when his time is up he wants to engage for two more hours and NOT pay! The best client I had was an Aussie who 9inches..and he was passionate,,,I nearly forgot I was being paid..LOL

VERY WELL said

There's this one highly reviewed lady who refused to see me for a session

But the reason she gave me wasn't because she refused to see Asians.

It was because we both decided to stay as platonic friends.  lol

When I went to see a friend in Las Vegas some time ago. She stated that many latino and black pimps were sneaking into the Bunny ranch,Love ranch and Mustang trying to lure Legal girls to work for them. So that is why they ban them..If a guy is a big time star he is let in because he will drop 5k,10k. Not a pimp nor a gang member trying to lure a legal working girl out of the  house..

Anyone can rob you..That's why you SCREEN....Raydar....Gaydar..what ever. Honey I don't see black men because of penis size,shade or skin tone or smell. Many ethnic men can be bossy and overly aggressive and I won't tolerate that kind of disrespect from anyone ever!! As an ethnic female I have no attraction to american black men/mixed race men and especially those who lack social breeding. I have never been physically attacked thank god by any other client as well. But you must remember what you price per session and how you carry yourself will determine how you survive. The Green River killer was a white man and so is the Long Island serial killer..don't be fooled by race. A former friend in the profession had a nasty run-in with a Latino gang member who had NOT one tattoo,attitude of a hardcore criminal. She is from South america and was just too trusting. Never trust anyone...regardless of race,age,profession or relation!!

Big east Indian population and plenty of Iranians. Soap and water and deodorant are not things these men use on a daily basis. I just would not see them. The smell was so bad and one Indian guy..a seik, was such a pig I asked, no told him to leave and that this was not New Delhi and I didn't have put up with his misogynistic crap.

Yeah, it's not the color of their skin, it's the attitude. Although I had the cutest AA guy from a surrounding area I used to see. OMG he was sweet and gentle. Have not had the thugs or assholes some women have had to deal with. You can usually tell via email who the pricks are right off the bat, and email knows no color or race or religion.

Smooth as silk skin, no too big in the man parts area and really sweet, at least the ones I have met.

I have heard they want to bang for the whole hour...no way on Gods green earth can I do that..with anyone! Just can't take it. And I know how to say stop.

Rode one once on about 8 shots of Tequila, lasted a while before being unceremoniously dumped to the floor..what do they say, 1 Tequila, 2 Tequila, 3 Tequila floor

...make me wonder how on earth you are marketing yourself? i just can't imagine meeting a man, of ANY race or ethnic background, treating me in the manner you describe. well, at least not since my college days when i was foolish enough to occasionally engage in sexual relations with men close to my own age. but as an adult woman? and as a provider/escort no less? no, i just can't picture it. asking for a "refund?" threatening physical violence?? using drugs?! yikes.

i have never even had someone contact me in a disrespectful manner, and i have absolutely never been disrespected or mistreated in any way by any man with whom i actually shared my time and body. so i do not believe race has anything to do with the unfortunate experiences you've had, but rather marketing and your screening methods.

Why do people like you make shit to hide behind your prejudice. Was the brothel you worked in the North West Frontier of Pakistan? or was it in the sheep herding region of Arabia?

Your story is so full of holes, it stinks.

If you answer no, your a bigot, and sizist. But you'll hide behind that fact that you're not attracted to morbidly obese women and that hot bodied brunettes are your PREFERENCE.

She was too. And the fact she had some weight on her allowed me to put some of my weight on her. . I enjoyed the freedom that having a lady in my weight class gave me. I would do that again. What I lost in looks was made up for in the fact I could go a bit harder and be on top. I normally avoid putting weight on a lady as once hunt my wife as I slipped in sex and my full weight can down on he leg. It dislocated. I thought I broke it. Rushed her to the hospital. It was not fun. This hobby is about variety of looks and styles for me.

that thought they were going to do the same thing...BYE!