I did something I rarely do, which was make a date with an escort (most of my playing is usually agency or brothel). The fee was $400, which is normal these days for LA, but I thought a little overpriced. I did spend close to two hours with her, did not feel rushed, although the aerobic part of the session was something like maybe 25 min.
I really liked the young lady, she's very attractive to me; the service was competent, and at a slightly lower rate I'd happily see her again, and I'd certainly refer her to friends. So why am I feeling a little empty about the whole deal, you know, like something is missing?
By local standards she would get an 8+/8 from me, which is probably a slightly below average score (for inner beauty, no doubt, she'd get a 10, or close to it, but I don't believe we get to score on that) for her profile.
A couple things in mind: I just got back from Europe, and have traveled all over the world; also the universe yesterday was playing one monolith-sized practical joke on me. In Germany, the service was generally a notch better at a fraction of the price, and there are many places in, say, Brazil and Thailand where the girl doesn't really deliver in the room, she doesn't work. One of my partners in crime cheerfully tells me, "Welcome to America, Six!", and suggests that I have been spoiled by the higher bar which is set in other countries.
I don't mean to be sour, and this isn't about the provider, it's more about me, and the conditions of contest locally. Are things that much out of whack here, or is it just me? Don't be afraid in not sugarcoating your responses. I'm aware it may not be fair to make the Germany/LA comparison, but women are women the world over and theoretically know what guys want. At least that's what the song (Waitresses) said!
So, you might have to lay it on the line in greater details as to what made you happier there, than here?
He is speaking in generaliztions, not specifics. Not all foreign women provide better service than all American women. But my experiences are similar. In general I have found that foreign women often provide better service in general. I think it represents cultural diffrences. It's attitude and small gestures, Every asian born provider I have been with has gently cleaned me up with a warm wash cloth after the act, Every American born provder has left it to me. It's just an example of one small, relatively unimportant thing that adds to the whole experience.
then you are seeing the wrong women! Many of us cater to the man that we spend time with, this includes cleaning up lovingly after...the problem is in the individual, not the nationality of those you've selected.
I have always cleaned up my playmates with a warm washcloth - ALWAYS. Sometimes I'm trying to burn my clients' willy off, but it hasn't worked yet
The cost of living is also higher for everyone in America.
So the providers here make more money here too.
I keep hearing about the women in Brazil - got to go there one of these days...
Let's get this straight for the jury of your peers. You booked a session for $400/hr. Yep, for hot chicks that is the going rate here in L.A. You stayed for more than an hour, liked the session enough to pass her to your friends, but feel "empty." Whoa! Wait, that was nearly 2 whole hours? You would rank her a 8/8 and inner beauty a 10? I read your reviews of the brothel and agency girls (*shudder*, each to his own), so what was missing? The freaking toungue stud? Reference from one of your own reviews.
Lordy, this takes the cake. She must have done something right if your workout lasted 25 min. What exactly are you bitching about the extra free hour? Dude, if this was me, yes, my hourly rate is 400.00 USD, not Canadian (that was hysterical, you gave the current exchange rate in your reviews...) you would have owed me another 300.00 baby. You pay for the time. What happens during that time is up to you. Guess you didn't rise to the occasion again? But you stayed, what were you doing, admiring her inner beauty? Guess you were lucky.
Do you feel more comfortable giving money to a business that effectively demeans women, rather than to her directly? I'm sorry you asked for no sugar coating, and I ran out of Nutrasweet. I don't really care for German women, but I love their cars. 911s don't count as carry-on.
Thanks, Michelle. I appreciate your candor. You validated everything which to my mind is wrong with the local scene, and with American-born women in general. Lots of egalitarian feminist anger. Lots of so not getting it. Too much of buying into that hateful vial of poison which exists on the other board.
I have never begrudged a provider who does well financially, because some of them I consider to be friends. It would be nice to see them professionally because they really deliver the goods. But too many women sadly equate their personal worth to the price tag they put on their pussy. The two are totally separate items. But let's be honest. What has troubled me over the last several months is how these boards are manipulated to justify higher and higher prices. If that's not the new feminazism, than what is? When dealing with providers, integrity was a given. It's troubling to me that I have to use the word more and more these days, because it's become a totally carnival atmosphere and the guys are the marks. new price increases are trumpeted, although there's a question as to who actually gets what part of the fee. God help a local girl who wants to run a special, or charge below market-she will likely get an e-mail from the local provider mafia telling her it's a nice business she's running, it's a shame if anything were to happen to it. We have already seen one of the mafiaosa exposed as a snitch. Also consider that virtually every bad client board out there is either a scam, or instituted for purposes of revenge where some psychotic provider surmised a client did her wrong.
This used to be fun, but now it's about power, dominion and control. You want to talk demeaning, let's talk screening. Too many of the ladies who have a presence here want the transaction to go all one way, which is ironic and hilarious because part of the reason a guy sees a provider is because too many things at home go his wife's way. They want to fly all over the radar screen, but want none of the responsibility which goes with such risky behaviour. The true superstars* in this town realize that.
The women who work in Germany, if you read the post, come from all over the world. Most are not German. Yes, some have pimps (the Russians particularly), some marry to get the right to work (the Thais and Turks) and chop it up with their "husband". But it's a much more social atmosphere, and like you all they're trying to do is better themselves. Unlike LA, most are under 30yo.
Your comment in the last paragraph is somewhat incoherent, but I think I understand the thought. Look, no one put a gun to any of these ladies' heads to work in such a place**. Moreover, it's not like the middleman doesn't provide services to neither the client nor the provider.
Finally, you should be eternally grateful that you pitched your tent in LA. You'd be working for less in pretty much most of the rest of the USA (save NYC, where hamburgers are $11). Consider Miami. Why do you think all these agencies send their girls all over the USA? Because many of these so-called "creamers" or "wildthings" can't even get $200 on a regular basis locally! It could very easily happen here as well.
When you get through, PM me and let me know how much I'm being charged for you reading this.
* many ladies, and their handlers (yes, many of those wannabe really big name providers are managed) have tried to manipulate the boards for financial gain. Most involve cooking of reviews, and/or their handlers giving financial incentive to post 10/10s. A couple of the better known names are available for 40-50% of their quoted rate, assuming you know the right people.
** Number 6 is very much aware that illegal trafficking of women exists all over the globe, particularly in SE Asia and Southern and Eastern Europe. Number 6 will not knowingly patronize any business which procures its women in such a manner, nor condones such a practice.
anyone else. A definite turnoff.
And I think you've said some things very well, and believe I understand what you're saying as far as how things have evolved.
Wherever there are people, there are problems; wherever there are people, there is much diversity, and also change. Nothing stays the same, whether we are talking about good manners (whole thread on 'please and thank yous'), child rearing, relationships, or the business world and (lack of) ethics.
I see the same current of change in even this world of ours. It's inevitable just because it goes along with everything else that has changed, whether we like it, or not.
I wonder how differently it would be to be a Provider where you didn't have to worry about LE. I can't even imagine how nice that would be...what a difference it would make in answering the phone, emails, and certainly during an appointment. You gentlemen probably don't get emails every day from cops, do you? Or phone calls? We're dodging those things daily..
To not have to be on guard (!)- I imagine that would make a difference in a lot of things.
Ahh..there was much I wanted to comment on but I've been interrupted.
All I can say, is that while you ARE here, find a lady who understands what it is to be whatever it is you're looking for, as they are out there.
Let's not turn this into American women bashing AGAIN. I hear it all the time in the media, from clients, and on these very boards. Again, and again, and again, and again, and again. Nobody in any country is perfect. The solution is really very simple. If you don't like American born women, please travel elsewhere to have your fun or seek out those foreign born women who will better suit your needs.
I was bored, so I looked over your post again, you're right its not about the providers, its you, or all about you.
Giving a porn star CJ a 9 for preformance (anal queen) and the same preformance score for a younger girl who you had waited 2 years to see, and she didn't do anal. She rimmed you with her tongue stud. Doesn't count as penetration. Somebody want some free days for a problem report? Lol. This combined with your earlier lament that the LA girl you visited should be a 8/8, not what other people reviewed her at. You are missing something, others are not. What, did you forget to brush your teeth, shave and shower? Damn boy, she sounds like a bargain, and I'm shopping! Let me at her!
Mein freund, YMMV.
I believe your generalization is far too broad. While I have not partied in LA recently I can assure you that not all German girls provide superior service.
I'm not sure that $400 is necessarily the bar for LA either. there are other highly reviewed ladies at higher rates. But yes you do expect a heck of a time for $400. The problem is you stayed longer and therfor paid half price. For $200 I'd say an 8/8 is fuckin dynamite. I'd pay that every day and probably twice a day.
Now if ya wanna talk beer, I'm with ya. Took me 5 years to get used to the piss-water we have here again.
Some of my favorite girlfriends were German. Freaks too, maybe it was the clubs I went too. But anyway I'm wondering---would you be comparing the normal life "free" hookups in Germany to your paid hobby here?
with what you can get overseas. Besides, it is probably the fact that you do like her but couldn't really justify her normal rate to yourself for frequent visits that caused your feeling of emptiness.
There are a couple of ladies I saw whom I paid a lot more than their hourly rates. For the amount of money I spent, I could have seen many, many new beautiful ladies in US and abroad. Sometimes I do question whether I am doing the right thing for myself. However, I have strong feelings towards them and after my recent Europe trip with many new faces (some of them are 10s and 9s), I think I made the right decision.
Just follow what your heart tells you. If you feel happier seeing ladies in foreign lands, continue to do so. If you really like that young lady, even though you think her rate is a bit high, go see her a few more times to gauge your feelings. Life is too short to second guess yourself.
Take care,
GC
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I know what you mean. The more I have paid for a provider the more hard-boiled they have been. Every hardened provider with a hole thinks theirs is the Best and is worth $$$. The real truth is that there are plenty of great looking providers out there that charge a fair price and enjoy their work as well. Money has absolutely no bearing on the quality of the provider. I am sure the providers that bitch that the guys are cheap are the ones with a stopwatch next to the bed just waiting for overtime to kick in. They want to suck your wallet clean and laugh at you all the way to the bank. These woman could not earn enough money to pay for their vices (booze, drugs, kids on welfare, etc, etc.. you know Low Life crap) with their brain and a legitimate job so they do the only thing they know how to do, make you believe how good theirs is. Yea Right!
The word "Whore" might be a complement to some of these golddiggers. I even heard some say how they are like Doctors and try to convince you why they charge so much for what they do. Believe any fantasy you want to, but it's all B.S. They can call it anything they want, but the bottom like is that they are prostitutes, engaging in sex for your money and they will tell you how great theirs is to help separate you from your money. I have found that it's a buyers market on providers because it takes no special education and easy to do, unlike a legitimate career. When they stop making woman with vaginas that's when we should be concern about a price increase or shortage.
Would you pay top dollar to rent a used Porsche with a 100,000 miles on it, sure it may look good but it needs a lot of work under the hood. Or would you rather rent a new Corvette and enjoy the ride without getting stuck. When your ride is over the only thing left will be memories and the best memories I have had in my life are priceless but none of them with a $400 per hour provider. In fact those are the memories I prefer to forget because when my 15 minutes of fame was over I always felt ripped off!
Face it boys, we are all Homer Simpson when our manhood is hard and these women know it. When your 25-minute work out is over and the blood rushes back to your brain you don't care what she looked like. Give me an honest woman that is fun and easy going and I would pay her the world. But if a provider thinks she got gold between her legs, go spend your hard earned dollars somewhere else, all you are to them is a stupid fool with a erection and cash that they will give to: their boyfriend, booze, drugs or 5 illegitimate children because they weren't smart enough to do anything else but to make even stupider men pay for their Special Pot Of Gold.
Oh Yea, I forgot, they stopped making woman with internal sexual organs, your the last one, please take all my money! D'oh
Do you honestly think all providers give their money to "their boyfriend, booze, drugs or 5 illegitimate children" and that they aren't smart enough to do anything else? Puhleeze. Or is it just the ones who think they are better than everyone else? I don't see the correlation between being on a high horse and a. giving the money to a boyfriend, kids, or drugs or b. not being smart enough to do anything else?
Before that you mentioned, "These woman could not earn enough money to pay for their vices (booze, drugs, kids on welfare, etc, etc.. you know Low Life crap) with their brain and a legitimate job so they do the only thing they know how to do, make you believe how good theirs is. Yea Right!"
What has you so convinced that ALL providers are like this? FYI, I have a brain. I'm smart enough to realize that with my graduate degree at *this* time in my life, I like being a provider much more than I like working 40+ hours a week sitting behind a desk. And you know? My life is pretty damn good right now. The sun is shining. It's 80 degrees outside. I have the cutest, sweetest dog in the world. Both my parents are healthy and happy. My little brother came for a visit this weekend. My sheets are clean. (Don't ya love clean sheets?) My sister and her husband are having a baby this year. I'm healthy. I went skiing last weekend. Is it perfect? Of course it isn't, but it's nothing like the world you've described.
Every single dollar I earn from providing goes to myself or my dog. I have no boyfriend. I've never been married. I don't drink EVER. 420, maybe and I mean maybe once a month. Kids, never. I don't ever want any.
They have all the pussy, and half the money. It's only a matter of time before they get all the money.
"The reviews, at the end of the day, like the business, are about how the provider makes the client feel upon leaving. Some women understand this, others don't. After all, this is a business of pleasure, n'est-pas? Reviews are a touchy business and if you think I was derogatory to any of the ladies so far reviewed, let me know. I think I was fair to all of them. Without a doubt, there is a correlation between what they give of themselves in the room and the scores they receive.
Yes, it would help to read the post a little more carefully before responding. Especially since you market yourself as being more intellectual than most. Must be the ADD."
Ciao,
#6
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Dear Sir,
You're right, I am a feminist. I believe in the rights of women. Don't all women? I don't know if you were derogatory to the women, I wasn't there. I can only go off of your reviews. I agree there is grade inflation here on TER, and your reviews are all over the place, Honestly, I don't know what to make of them. Let them speak for themselves.
1/04 Juanna 6/9 BBBJ, CG, DFK (does sloppy kiss on lips count as this?) You mention the house provides anal, but did not mention if you got it.
1/04 Gia 7/7 CBJ, DATY but no BBBJ, no DFK, and "hard to give a decent GFE grade"
Rewinding back a bit, and what do we have here?
Aug/03 Kim 7/9, legendary 22 y.o. BBBJ, what that's it? Where does the 9 come in?
Aug/03 Missy 8/9 but you would give her matzo ball soup a 9/8? (!?!) Did you preform Russian with the matzo balls?
BTW: nope, I have never been diagnosed with ADD, I have a web browser phone with a keypad the size of a business card.
I originally got into this biz because of the money. Later I stayed because I love the sex. I don't market myself anything more than a bit of T & A with a bit of stuff between the ears. To do otherwise would bore you all to tears. LOL. I chat on the national boards because I love the diversity, and my phone doesn't read the Java script for the LA boards. So for better of worse, ya got me here. I apologize for my tone, but not for the content of my previous message. Keep it real, No. 6, peace out.
is damned difficult if for no other reason than the providers I've seen in Thailand and the Philippines have almost always been all-nighters. The finest of one hour stands, and there have been some truly wonderful hours, don't compare to the LBSM that wakes you at 3 AM with "please, honey, we do again?
Wanted to add my pennies worth to this thread. Having also travelled extensively across the world, I have to defend the honour of the US ladies (and i am not a US citizen or live here)
I have had good and bad experiences everywhere at various rates. With one or two exceptions, i have alweays found that the response i would get from a lady is directly proportional to the way i treat them (and my frame of mind at the time).
Treat the lady like a lady (irrespective of their age), and you will receive it back tenfold. On the other hand, treat the lady like dirt, and you will receive dirt in return.
As far as rates are concerned, the market normally determines the rates based on various factors, so i would not say that the rates over here are out of sync with the rest of the world.
if all of this sounds like teaching people how to suck eggs (British for staing the bleeding obvious), apologies. Just found the conversation quite interesting.
No. 6 still hasn't said what was lacking from *this girl* that he is describing. Ex: was it the first time, second time? Did she not offer you something that you wanted that you had seen in another one of her reviews? Did you talk to her about it? Did she after 2 hrs abruptly show you the door? Details...inquiring minds want to know. What is the difference between the girls overseas and the ones here? Something tells me its a little more than a hot towel. Were you born overseas? Curious. If she had an effect on you she deserves an explaination.
I'm done with it. I'm not happy with a personal message to you being published. If I wanted to post on the board I would have done so. Again, power and control...
At some point in time I'll write a review. Except for the fact I'm inclined to see her again (which I already stated), you're just going to have to be kept in suspense, but then again, I hear chicks get off on that. As my buddy William de Occam would say, the simplest way is usually best. I vote with my wallet.
Basically, the brothel I went to in Germany had 80-120 women from all over the world, the worst performed to a 7.5, with the average performance standard close to 9. Think Felicia Foxx, Luscious Laurel, WOW Nikki, Naughty Ali. The women are generally in their mid 20s. Is it an unfair comparison? Probably. Why do I make it? I think I've answered that question many times already.
FTR, she's very adept with a hot washcloth.
Finally, Sedona de San Diego made some excellent points above, particularly regarding "what if the hobby were legal", in which I'm in congruence with.
I am sorry Sir that you are not happy, did your reviews get adjusted? Did someone get some free days? What was that? Your ego got stepped on? It must be getting close to tax time. Go ahead flame my ass. Its already waxed.
It was him who had developing the feeling of emptiness after the session and he didn't know exactly why.
My speculation is that he had that feeling because his mind was fighting with his heart due to the fact that he had some great experiences overseas for much less price. His mind told him he could get better deal out there so he shouldn't spend that sort of money seeing her again but his heart wanted her at least a few more times.
This is all conjecture and speculation. I could be totally wrong.