for providers to email reviewers who don't give them a positively 10/10 kind of review? i met a VERY popular lady and gave her a generally "very good" review, but I refused to rate her a 10/10 like all of her other reviewers seem to rate her.

this VERY popular lady emails through TER telling me that she didn't see me in April .. and that I wrote a fake review. now my argument is ... heck! i don't pay attention to details that much while filling out the form's little boxes. so i chose April 2004 when I may have seen her in March. Now did I see her on 29 of March or 1st of April? Do I really care? Do you expect me to remember this date like it was my wedding anniversary?

Or .. maybe i just saw her two weeks ago which would have been May but my senile memory makes me think that it's actually April.

hmmmm .. i just don't see how TER allows providers to monitor and moderate reviews posted here by HOBBYists like you and me. TER is supposed to be for us men to share information, not a means for providers to market themselves and monitor who writes reviews and what kind of reviews get posted!

There are two sides of a coin.  One is, if a guy sees a provider, then he is entitled to post his opinion of what happened within TER posting guidelines.  

The other side of the coin is that the provider should have some form of protection (pardon the pun) against guys posting reviews of sessions that did not happen or sessions having reviews used as blackmail against them (example:  You do this or I will slam you on TER)

How do we decide?  Sometimes that is incredibly difficult.  

For the guys we look at:
How long have you been a member?
How many reviews have you submitted?
Have you paid for a membership?
Have other providers contested your reviews in the past?

For the girls we look at:
What have other guys stated?
Has this provider contested reviews in the past?
How many reviews has she contested?
Does she only contest low score reviews?
How long of a track record does she have at TER?

In general we look at:
When the provider contests the review, is her story “likely”?  (example, in 82 other reviews she ha never done a CBJ, yet he states she does)
If we pull the review, does the guys contests it?
Did the provider attempt to contact the member and ask for info?
Did the member bother to respond?


Bottom line is that TER is equivalent to the providers Credit Report (TRW, Equifax, etc).  Mattering on what it says can control how many other members will do business with them.  Providers have the right to contest items on this report.  Members have the right to have contested items reevaluated.  

At the end, we try our best to be fair.  Is it a perfect system?  As long as human being lie, no system can be perfect.  Does it work?  Yes, it does.

-- Staff

In your case, your review of Veronica Monroe has been contested by the provider.  
http://theeroticreview.com/control/ShowReview.asp?Review=258936


Lets look at this:

He says - you saw her in April on a trip to philly.  
She Says - that she was not in philly in April.  That “I am NOT in my 40s”

We look at guy:
How long have you been a member? – 4 days
How many reviews have you submitted? – 6 reviews (2 not approved yet)
Have you paid for a membership? - No
Have other providers contested your reviews in the past? – 0 (he has only been a member for 4 days)

We look at the girl:
What have other guys stated? – The review is similar to past reviews
Has this provider contested reviews in the past? – Several
How many reviews has she contested? – Several
Does she only contest low score reviews? – She has reviews with lower scores she has not contested.  She has also contested high score reviews.
How long of a track record does she have at TER? - Over 2 years / 91 reviews

In general we look at:
When the provider contests the review, is her story “likely”?  - No - She has other reviews n philly during April that were not contested.
If we pull the review, does the guys contests it? – have not pulled yet
Did the provider attempt to contact the member and ask for info? - Yes
Did the member bother to respond? Yes, he responded, “i'm sorry i don't pay "attention to detail" when filling out information like months/year ..”

Key points so far:
The provider says she was not in philly in April and is not 40.
Though the review was complimentary, the member mentions age negatively 4 times.
The review is believable.
Possibly age more of a sore point for this provider than score.
3 of 5 reviews she has in April state she was in philly.
The reviewer has only been a member 4 days
The provider has a long history with TER
The reviewer did not give any solid info on his response to her PM for more info. (example, remember you were wearing Mickey Mouse ears and a black strap-on)

Give all this information, what do you guys think we should do?

I think their both hung up on age. He prefers younger and she doesn't like the number 40 (his opinion). To me the review is believable. Its quite obvious he just found TER and is banging out reviews for membership. Me, personally, I can't stand filling out the profiles knowing that they're not going to change no matter what you enter. Its one of the reasons I don't write many reviews.
I don't think she would have contested the review if age wasn't mentioned. BTW-I prefer over 40.

Thank you staff as this shows us what many of us already know that you go through. but with some more clarity and insight. This is one of those areas where I am glad I don't have your job.

a couple of thoughts - since you asked for them.

Her basic details state an age range of from 36-40 - a reviewer that thinks she is 40 or over but is into twenty year olds is looking for something completely different and this error could be completely honest.

4 days and 6 reviews? Does cast a bit of a cloud here but nothing solid (yet).

Provider says she wasn't in Philadelphia in April and has 4 other reviews. That sounds like a lie to get the review pulled. While there is probably a lot more here than either of us know, I have never run across an immaterial lie.

the review overall is positive and would not make me shy away from here. In fact, I would rate her very high on my wish list (If it wasn't already too long).

also - we do not know how recent the pictures are?

I would leave the review as it is not negative and we know it was not posted by her. (And to think I almost wrote a review of Kara Nox - that was sad and stupid on her part).

I believe that sometimes people don't mesh and/or there was a bad hair day and that providers with 20 10/10's in a row are more suspect sometimes than one with some variations.

Anyway my $.02 (or maybe that was a nickel).

I'd post it.  You rightly note that both are obviously hung up on the age thing, and having just hit the big four-oh myself, I guess I can sympathize.  So many providers lie about their age, though, that it should hardly be a sticking point for this Board.  To be sure, he's a newbie, but we all were once, and he's entitled to his opinion.

Sorry, Veronica.  Post it, oh Great Gods of TER.

One point that Staff mentioned can solve this.  Have CanadaDry
mention where he saw her or what she was wearing, etc.
He should be able to mention some detail that one couldn't
know unless he met her.

fr


-- Modified on 5/19/2004 8:31:57 AM

And BTW, you last paragraph is totally off base.  Providers are
members of TER.  Of course they can "monitor" reviews as you
say.  Most people would call it reading.

They don't moderate reviews - if they think a review is wroing
or written by someone they didn't see they can lodge a
complaint.  This isn't moderating.

BTW, your review seems credible.

fr

when I've disagreed with a reviewer but said nothing because my overall reviews are good and, after all, it's only one opinion.
I do find it strange, however, that a gentleman will say "you're absolutely gorgeous," then give you a six or seven on the looks scale. What's up with that?  For me, it's also frustrating because I can never get a 10 because I don't perform anal. I actually tried it once with a client, but I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. It's just not my cup of tea. Anyway, providers are members of TER and also should have the opportunity to dispute a review. I think your review was probably accurate, but I still wanted to voice my opinion on this one and tell you that TER is not just dedicated to the male persuasion. If that were the case, we'd still be living during the witch trials of Salem. I think it's important to see both sides of the spectrum (pardon the pun), don't you?

Hugs,
Ciara

... ... ladies should be able to comment.  Ladies that blasted men would certainly find their business falling off and I suspect that comments would be careful, courteous, and rare.


Harry

of five of the top local escorts (Tami Monroe, Morgan Ashley, NetMichelle, Felicia Foxx, and Isabelle Rose) only two of the five do anal. Every one of these five have at least two 10's for performance in their last 10 reviews (as of 5/11/2004).

At least in Los Angeles, doing anal does not appear to be a requirement for getting a 10 in performance. (According to TER rules doing any three from a list of five services makes you eligible for a 10, but does not, of course, require the reviewer to give a 10.)

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-- Modified on 5/20/2004 7:37:05 AM

-- Modified on 5/20/2004 12:46:23 PM

would seem to imply a threesome.  I would assume the great
majority of encounters that are reviewed are not threesomes.

So in order to get a ten with a one on one encounter it would
seem anal is required.  The other two, of course, are DFK and
BBBJ.

Please correct and/or amplify if I'm wrong.

fr

in order for you to give her a 10 for performance. If her profile says that she does three of the five services you can give her a 10 if you so desire even if you do none of the five things with her. Thus, you can give her a 10 for a one-on-one experience without her doing any of the five extra-credit services with you should you want to do so -- as long as her profile says that she does them. (This leads to the problem that you could have exactly the same session with a provider who does none of the five extra credit services but you couldn't give her above a 7.)

At least that is the way I read it. I could be wrong.

There have been threads on this before. Perhaps Staff can clarify the issue. (I would like to say "once and for all time" but I suspect the issue will continue to come up.)

Personally, I think the rules are too complex and if the reviewer says that the experience was a 10 then it was a 10. However, I've expressed that view before too and I don't expect the rules to change.

Incidentally, massage providers can get a 10 without providing any of the extra-credit services. The restriction only applies to escort providers. So what about a provider who has some reviews for massage service and some for escort service? I don't know and it is questions like that that drive me nuts when I do my report on LA providers.


-- Modified on 5/19/2004 11:08:43 PM

In fact, your interpretation would lead to the problems you
stated.  I think people don't read the rules and just rate
providers on a scale from 1 to 10.  The people who read reviews
don't enforce the scoring rule consistently.

This should be taken up in another thread.

fr

Why not adopt a system much like the one used on E-Bay where the provider can offer a brief comment or reply at the end of the posted review about her? A rebuttal of sorts.

Who knows, maybe the providers can actually start to "rate" the guys in that reply section and then we all better start watching out and clean up our acts!

warrant being deleted.  This guy won't be the first, nor the last, guy to confuse the date section where he checks off the current month rather than the month when he had the appt (I've done it myself more than once). This is really splitting hairs, She was obviously in Philadelphia based on the several other reviews that said she was.

The guy stated his opinion and assessment of his experiences. Isn't that what reviews are for? We are all smart enough to know about YMMV, different strokes for different folks, etc.. when reading reviews.  But it's the insight and opinions from many different people that allow us to make informed decisions.

I don't think he was negative regarding her age either. Again he stated his opinion and he did so pretty factually, he's personally more attracted to young women. He may be guilty of booking with the wrong provider if his preference is towards younger women, but again, he simply stated that he prefers em young.  He didn't call her an old bag or anything.

On her web site she says she's between 30 and 40.  He said she was 40 which is probably the truth since we all know how more providers than not are usually misleading about their age to some degree. This one's subject to debate, but if the truth were known I'm sure 40 isn't too far off.

Enough hair splitting......the guy stated his honest opinions. He was far more complimentary to her than he was negative. He didn't break any code of ethics or specific rules, he just stated his opinions.  

Don't delete.

I think just cuz the guy is new with abunch of reviews is no reason to doubt him. I myself go to providers 4-6 times a month does that mean he can't review a provider he's seen last month because he just found out about TER let it stand. Let the provider list a rebuttal to it.

I am of the opinion that this is a YMMV situation....he prefers barely legal hard bodies....and got a world class professional provider....and was pleased in every respect except for the fact that she was not 18YO.  Frankly I wish I was thin, rich and beautiful....wait....two out of three of those I am....but all kidding aside... I prefer Cabernet over Merlot....some like more mature experienced professionals while others prefer naive nubile neophytes....to each its own.

or it could be a totally fictions review from a VIP wannabe...

there are strong feelings on both sides...while I side with the provider whose feeling are hurt...I also side with the hobbyist who potentially had an experience he didn't expect...all be it a pretty good one....this is a tough call.

My instincts are to keep the post and hopefully the next hobbyist will review the board and check the reviews.  I would see her in a second if I did that due diligence.

Dingus15


PS  TER needs a spell checker



-- Modified on 5/23/2004 6:48:22 PM

Perhaps readers here who have any interest at all in this man's opinion should read not only his review of Veronica Monroe (the provider in question) but the postings on the Philadelphia Board in regard to this topic.  NOBODY complained, either to him or on the board, about the grade he gave on his review.  The controversey began (I know, because I made the initial posting) over his taking cheap shots at Veronica & those of us who see her differently than our friend from Canada does.  I find no fault at all with his grade or his review, except for the low blows that were unnecessary.  Oh, and I think it's really a good thing he was not turned on at all by her; how many times would he have come if he was?

I think any lady has the right to question the validity of a review, when the details or circumstances sited do not match the facts, and it makes no difference whether the review is deemed  positive or negative.  In this case the reviewer claimed to have seen her in Philadelphia, while she was on a west coast tour. Her being out of town can be verified by checking the ad sections of this and other boards. Sure she had several other reviews in April, but most all of them  originated from the west coast or stated that the appointment was several months ago. The one exception is the review by RichardT, who by his own admission saw her on April 30. During the brief time she was in Philadelphia in April, she says she saw no new clients. On that basis I think it was entirely appropriate for her to contact CanadaDry by PM about this discrepency before complaining to TER support about the review. At that point all he had to do was provide her with a few details to verify in her mind that he actually saw her. Instead his reply seems hostile and defensive, making it look like he had something to hide. Frankly, the nature of his  responses to her legitimate inquiry make me question the credibilty of his review.