OK- Guys-  So you are convincing me that a younger lady as aprtner might be fun-  how do you choose?

Looks like an ex from when you were that age...?
Hot blonde?
Sultry Brunette?
Race you might not have tried?
Rep for best particular trick?
Looks like your vision quest girl from HS?
Hot Coed?

I'd love to hear strategies or philosophies for choosing how to proceed...

PS:  You are totally entitled to tell me I am way overthinking this-  but I DO enjoy the exchange of ideas on this forum...

I say, go through Eros.... and pick one that looks like the Playboy playmate of the month or  the penthouse pet of the month...

then check reviews for a 7 or better.  That is about as good a "strategy" as you can get.

me, I go back to my original thought - and come to think of it my ATF recognized my voice after only 1 visit.... several months before.  go figure... ya gots to have a connection for this to really work well.

FYI, I always tended to the more mature providers until I had an unexpected surprise.  Now I mix in the occasional 20's hardbodies too.  Delightful!
Crieteria are: Exceptionally attractive faces and bodies (tats and piercings can be erotic, you'll be surprised; Reviews by respected hobbyists, no newbies or shills; Playfulness on their TER postings; Quality of their websites; Enthusiasm in the phone calls and emails we interchange.  Avoid the less reputable sources like CL unless you want to TOFTT.  All of these are foreplay to the actual meeting.  We have so many wonderful ladies in PHX, mature and young, Indy and Agency.  Once I find one, I always repeat many times since the intimacy and pleasure increase exponentially.  They love it too!  Frankly, I've been amazed that the youngies really do appreciate us older fellas as "you know what you're doing."  High school with pizza and beer in the back seat of a car must have really been a bitch.

Easier than you think.  First of all, at my age just about all the providers are young enough to be my children, so I don't look at age at all.  But I admit I generally prefer women who are late 20s to mid 30s.

I look at the girls, usually those who post on TER or who are reviewed on TER, and look for someone that appeals to me.   The Playboy bunny was the ideal in my youth, and that is what I look for.  Whatever was your ideal, or is your ideal, is what you should look for.  Then I check reviews--understanding that a lot of the reviewers are younger than 40 and therefore have somewhat different needs than I do.

This is truly a time to say, happy hunting!!

Aside from fulfilling a fantasy with a younger hardbody, I've never understood the attraction that men in their 50s -- and especially 60s -- have with younger women that are only 20. But to each his own. Those that think that these young hotties are attraced to the older guys remember: They're getting paid to like you. Do you really think they would date you in the civie world (unless you're filthy rich or are a father figure)? No offense, but let's be honest!

Hugs,
Ciara

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I wouldn't date a guy in his 60's with her pussy!

but why ruin the fantasy?

but I just don't get the 60-year-old men dating 20 year-old women.

Hugs,
Ciara

...prostitution for most providers is primarily about money and not entirely about sexual preference. If you polled a number of regular hard working escorts then I am certain that most would say that they would not date the majority of their clientele. Regardless of age.

So if a 60 year old fancies the idea of a 20 year old escort then good for him. He can quite reasonably pay for whatever escort experience he fancies that day. Unless you are suggesting that hobbyists of a certain age would be better served by sticking to providers of a certain age? If so, why?

...but isn't Charlotte a rather funny handle for a bloke?

I can't talk, I've had plenty of different handles on this site and I set this one up whilst watching a documentary on catatonic people, but there you go. I bet you didn't know that Bart Simpson's voice is done by a lady. Life is indeed strange.

Good to know.

I assume there is a poll somewhere that has that "majority" figure you mention with such conviction? or are you speaking from your personal experience as a provider? *smirk*

I never attempt to make assumptions about what the impetus is for anyone to do what they do, for a living or otherwise.

That said I am pleased to know that for a "majority" of ladies it isn't about her sexual preference...now I can see a ll the straight providers and all the ones that say they give leeway to men's appearance but have to be physically attracted to a women to see her...woohoo it is apparently about money and not sexual preference.  *smirk yet again*

I could be wrong but I assumed Miss CiaraPhx, was speaking to the idea of men that see the young ladies for anything other than fantasy fullfillment...I got this impression from her writing
QUOTE: "Aside from fulfilling a fantasy with a younger hardbody"
from that I inferred (yep, I admit to occassionally partaking of inference) she might be speaking to any man that might get an ego boost, connection or whatnot with the young providers.

I am also glad to know that if someone can easily (or even not so easily I imagine) pay for an experience that he must get it...have cash and an appointment can't be refused by any lady...and any thoughts of the lady in question simply focussing on the money for the duration (you say it's true for the majority so I have no reason to doubt your expert opinion of what a majority of ladies in this business do) must make for a great experience, I know no matter how little someone seems to want to be in my company I feel better knowing I bought it, and that she just has to think about the money and not me to get through the ordeal of time with me...wait no I don't.

If a young lady is the original posters fantasy, then he should go for it, and I hope he finds a lady that fulfills that fatansy for him, in ways he never even imagined, but I think Mr Bizzaro and Miss CiaraPhx, were speaking to the idea of the connection with a lady meaning more than the lady's age, and that, perhaps, with a provider much younger than the man, that connection might be less likely...that's just a guess.  *smirk*

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?If you have seen the movie "Monster's Ball" with BB Thornton and Halle Berry... one of the opening scenes pretty much gives a very graphic depiction of a session with a provider that is devoid of any human emotion on the part of the provider.  What is there is a very clinical approach to the collection of money.

For anyone who engages in that, it will not matter the age.  And while I recognize this hobby for what it is, sometimes it is very difficult, because we are human, to not let emotions enter.  If that never happens - I would caution the provider or hobbiest that perhaps you need to seek some counseling.  If it happens with EVERY encounter, again, I would offer that you need counseling.  If in the middle - that is some emotional feelings for a limited group, that is probably more normal than not.  Have I struggled with this? You bet.  How many times?  A limited number, but probably within some norm.

The age is secondary - and I do agree with the concept that most of the escorts in the 20 something category are probably not interested in the 50-60 yr old.  Having said that though - and I really have no explanation for this - in civie dating - most of the women that I meet that are my age or within 10 years of my age - act really strange - and do NOT find me attractive.  On the other hand civie women in their late 20's or early 30's ask me out!  Go figure.  I really have no explanation for that.

On the other hand - providers in their late 30's on up, I tend to get along with better - and guess what, develop emotions for!  I don't know if the reciprocal is true, but it feels true enough.  No, I haven't asked one for her hand in marriage! lol but know what, providers in their "prime" seem to have an awful lot going for them mentally.  Are they sexy?  probably more so than the 20 yr old playmate who really doesn't even enjoy sex - let alone being with a man.

As has been said in this thread, to each his own - they all have their place.  One lady (escort) that I was with asked me out on a "date" - there were reasons that she asked... but the reasons were unfortuantely not compatible with reality - proving my point.... not enough worldly experience to take advantage of situations appropriately.  Again, would I date a provider - you bet - it is just that I don't think that I have enough to offer.  

I too agree with your observation that providers would not date the majority of their clientele... for a very wide variety of reasons.  again, proving my point.  This is all good discourse.  Unfortuantely, Monster's Ball, to some extent, is an accurate portrayal.

...as a long standing consumer.

I see. So do you think that the majority of escorts do it for reasons other than money?

Would they still do it if they had to do it for free? Even Ciara does not think that from her posts above.

Tell you what smart guy. From now on suggest to your favourite provider that your future dates are for free since there is a meeting of minds. Then grow up.

Men of any age can see providers of any age for whatever damn reason they please.

*smirk*

if you had to do it for free?

Tell your boss that you like the line of work you chose, so he never has to pay you again.

Some one can want to earn a living and be able to pay their bills, with that not being the only reason they choose the line of work they do.

As for the fact that in your personal experience the majority of providers you have seen only wanted your money and nothing else to do with you but your money...I wouldn't really go around bragging about that.  *smirk*

...There are only two types of people in this world. Those that see things for what they are and those that prefer not to.

Of course emotion and feelings can come into hobbying, as it can any human interaction. And although not every provider sees her clients as walking cash machines, at the end of the day prostitution is a simple matter of business dollars. For most of us most of the time anyway. Only an old fool would think otherwise.

I don't see that as clinical, only an acceptance of what is likely to be the reality for the majority. And I can say that even in the knowledge of having dated providers in the past and having one as a trusted friend and confidente.

...that is the fucking point isn't it.

you do your job at all?

Were there no reasons like enjoying the work, interest in the work or anything else that made you chose your path?  

Was money your sole motivation as you want to say it is for ladies in this business?

Would you work in an abattoir if they paid you what your current job does?

Would you clean septic tanks if they offered you $10,000 more a year than your current job?

Did you look at all the posible professions and jobs available in your area and chose yours exclusively for money?

If not...then why do you insist that the ladies in this business do so only because of the money and no other factors?  

Why is it so important for you to believe that to the ladies your money is your only redeeming quality?

Give it up, dude...you are already looking silly just from stuff in this post.

...I say that prostitutes in the main(!) do it for money. Which is a red rag to a hobby message board bull as yourself.

You then cry.

I have nothing further to say to you, it is a waste of my time and beneath me. You are an internet child. Stick to these hobby boards and enjoy your flirting. There is no place for you in the real world except handing out flyers and cleaning Yankee stadium. Even that is honest work and may be too much for you.

...makes me look silly.

I can live with that.

like to know the answer to... as that would help me understand the reviews of some individuals more (ie, for my 10th cup of coffee in 30 min... ROFL).

something other than a cash machine - that said, they did want something from me... and what they wanted was so human, so basic of an emotion, that it left me in tears.  sad to say, there is a lot of inhuman behavior among our species... and I call myself Bizzare.

...even through business. Regardless of that prostitution is still in the main a business conducted with dollars as the currency.

I know one guy who married an escort. So what?

I don't know what some of you guys think. There is nothing wrong with paying ladies. There is nothing wrong with ladies asking for money. But don't pretend it is something different. Except on those rare occasions when it is something different.

Some of you guys need to get out more.

What I have seen is a lot.  I hobbied BEFORE the internet.  did not during my marriage... but some of the same emotional impact was there before the internet age...

And - observations are what they are... they are not scientific studies.  Merely observations.

...from other posts that you have made.

I just disagree in part with your fluffy opinion on this subject. It's fairly harmless but sends the wrong signal to some more inexperienced hobbyists. It is a business at it's core and girls want the money. Without that, most would not do it. I categorically state that based on my own experience. That does not mean that they are all bitches.

I love girls and have met some sweethearts through this game. But it is still in the main about money. As a lot of life is. No reasonable bloke would have a problem with that view. I don't.

Which is why I laugh when the blue bloods get on their soapboxes and criticize an escort for taking money for sex and companionship.... and then turn around in divorce proceedings and demand assets that the husband accumulated....  and not call that a form of prostitution.  lol!

lots o' marriages fail due to difficulties wtih money.  



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...but between men and women there can be love, regardless of anything financial. Maintaining it is my problem and curse

Escorts are an easy paid option for the times in between.

It's funny how things get twisted. Hey, if you want to be with a younger provider then go for it. Gees! I'm not downing anyone just making an observation, especially when a hobbyist brags about how much younger women really enjoy him. They might, but let's keep it real, okay? At least know that these ladies are getting paid for their services and not doing it because they fantasize about an older man.

Hugs,
Ciara

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...cool if they do.

I now have something to look forward to when I'm old!

...nothing wrong with that.

It is only wrong if you can't see that.

...coz my mind is old but my heart is young.

In fact I'm never ever paying you again. You are paying me.

...it's only coz you go under my skin. I am fussy about what I read.

You can have me for $5000. $6500 for me and the green superhero. Even though you are both old, lol.

Let's leave it at that

...are unreliable for hobbyists and providers in the main. London is better.

I am English but used to live in NYC in the 90's and the agencies that I used were not worth bothering about. Selecting quality indies probably pays better in the long run in the American game.

To be honest, it is an exploitative industry at it's core. Not to mention illegal. But there are some nice people involved and you can still get your money's worth in the States, obviously. In fact, there are some outstanding girls available. Only wish I had the time

Too funny. However, I'm not old. (eom)

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Could I really make an extra 10k?  It would be an extra 26-$400 visits per year.  Now, assuming that the smell of shit wasn't a problem for the ladies, I'm there.  Can you hook me up?

You see, with me, it really is all about the money.  Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me if it's important to the lady I'm with at the time.  But we both know more than a couple that are in it for more than just the buck.

...if she posts here regularly, seems to be reasonably intelligent and witty, and professes a love of fat, bald old men, well, I won't let her (lack of) age dissuade me.

Reviews are most important, because you want to make sure she's stable. But outside of that I would go for the "look" you are interested in because it is doubtful she's going to talk to you on your level if she is in her late teens.   She is only going to be there an hour or so and you don't have to meet with her again. So, go for the look that excites.

agreed, variety is good, something young and hot every now and then is nice I think.  These aren't dates, most of the girls know this is a fantasy they are delivering.