In my opinion, this business is volume based on supply and demand, economies of scale like any product. However, it's always based on a singular component, time, which is completely non-transparent.  

Providers, you are telling me if I only want to participate in DATY that I will pay the same flat rate as a hobbyist who wants to do DATY and get a BBBJ?  Oh, really.

Believe me, I don't mind paying for a person's time but there has got to be a better way.  So what if you provide rimming and have built that into your cost structure....I don't want that service so please don't charge me for it.

What am I missing here?

Think it through.  Just because You are on a limited diet does not mean the buffet charges less.  Try to order Ala Cart by going to the ones who offer a quick release and 15 minute rates.  If you want a full experiance then expect to pay for it.  All they have is their time so if you want an hour expect to pay for an hour.  Also expect to pay more for anything not considered normal.

Don't even get me started on the tiered pricing levels of $/hr you just described...completely frustrating.

What I am looking for is more like a quality matrix component (qmc) of services with price schedules.  I disagree that all that providers have is their time.  They have other skills and services that can be marketed.  

For example, do they provide food and drink to create a more comfortable atmosphere and conversation piece.  Foodies are everywhere so outline that service component and let me know what it costs.

the fact, the time it takes her to screen you. ( check references, etc, ) The time it takes her to make herself look gorgeous for you. If incall, the money she spent on the room. If touring, the money spent on travel. The fantasy she is providing ( like, moaning when you eat her pussy ) and telling you that your a stud. The risk she is taking, since this is illegal. #1 ( if your body and face looks anything like mine ) she is still gonna DFK you, stroke your ego, and show u a good time.
to me, it's worth the price of admission.

ps, oh, and did i mention, no BS to put up with, when your done!!

there is nothing that is non transparent about charging on the basis of time. you get a slice of time, that is what you are paying for. that's what you are missing.

That's what you're missing here. I guess under your premiss, those guys who want the alphabet soup could get charged more. Don't think you'll be very popular with that line of thinking and please it's a pointless exercise to try and apply hooking to the traditional business model. Many have tried and as you can see, failed.

I agree that pricing yourself out of the market is silly and I also feel that undercutting greatly, hurts the ladies. Being professional in communications, prompt when answering emails and advertise with ethics. All this other mumbo jumbo....are you trying to show us you have read a few text books on marketing/economics or are you another guy giving unsolicited advice on how to run our businesses? If so, write an ebook and sell it to those who care to listen to your text book excepts.

Then what is the point of listing quality matrix components (qmc's) like DATY, CIM, 2-girl, rimming, and others on your web, ads, TER....

Just give a time and price and call it a day.  All the other stuff is just creating confusion in my selection process

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You know full well that providers have definitely worked the price per service features and rolled it into the price per hour.  I would just like some adult discussion to determine a range of industry standard prices.  It can be done discreetly and not in open forum to protect everyone.

Excellent points you make.  I am not a marketing spammer or trying to solicit business from anyone.

My main concern is assessing a better way to understand a provider's approach to quality and up front costs associated on the expected experience

You might want to consider dropping that entire concept. The hobby is pretty illogical. Providers work as independent contracts and all have their own way of running their business.  TER acts as one the Better Business Bureau/Angie's List/Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval type websites so it gives hobbyists an idea of what to expect from the provider. Instead of posting, I suggest you start seeing well reviewed providers who offer what you're looking for. Become a VIP and you should be able to find what you're looking for. If you haven't found the newbie board, yet, I suggest you take a look at it. Remember, everyone was a newbie at one time, and there's no need to reinvent the place, it functions pretty well at the moment.

She should publish a matrix of services crossed with prices - maybe offer some specials, like a chinese menu (one from column A, one from column B...) To insure fairness and quality control, the prices would be taken from the National Whore's Guide Blue Book (NWGBB) - for instance, CBJ vinyl condom 66.95, latex 69.50, lambskin 75.00. Also, universal unit pricing stickers will be employed to trip up these crazy girls who refuse to adhere to a strict and correct "price per minute" of service. Then, after publishing this list of illegal activities along with the prices she will charge to perform them, she will discuss them at length on the phone with the prospective client to insure there is no miscommunication, and prepare a detailed receipt to hand to him when he arrives and hands over the cash. That way, if she fails to provide any of those services to his satisfaction, he can take it up with the customer service department, or the better fucking business bureau.

It's a beautiful vision for a true six sigma world, but I'm afraid for the foreseeable future, providers are going to continue the archaic practice of pricing their services based on some combination of the local going rate, the amount of money they feel they need to make to support their lifestyle, and their opinion of their own value. Crazy as it seems, the ones who price well will thrive while those that "don't get it", won't "get it".

As for you, let's face it; when you buy your Applebees special entree that comes with a little sundae cup for dessert, you take the ice cream even if you don't really want it. If you are paying for it, go ahead and take it. Stick your tongue up her ass and call it dessert, and maybe you won't feel so used.

This.

I swear the OP's brain must be the size of a peanut.

Escorts charge for time ONLY. Not BBBJ, DATY, anal, or whatever. If they did that and added that with a fee structure on a public website, well it's not hard to imagine the risk she places herself in, not to mention guys that see her, although some might scoff at that.

You have to remember, this is ILLEGAL. If legal I am sure things would be different.

The quality aspect is subjective as far as performance goes....one lady might blow a guys socks off with a BJ and the next guy feels she is adequate but nothing to write home about.

The expected experience is again, subjective as in YMMV depending on factors, some of which the client has to bring to the table...example, she is reviewed as giving BBBJ, a guy shows up unclean and refuses a shower, his crotch smells so she pops on a condom...that guy complains because the last 4 reviewers got BBBJ.

That's why this industry is a standalone because we are not dealing with inanimate objects but the most intimate of acts where the client does bare some of the responsibility.

I already mentioned basic business professionalism. That, to me, goes without saying.

not the services that you may or may not want.

If you think about it, many things you but are based on that, like cell phone/internet/cable TV charges.  You pay for the time/bandwidth whether you use it or not with most providers now.

Same for all-inclusive resorts.   You may never use the pool/spa/weights, etc., but you are paying for them.

So, give the gals a break.

What I thought you were going to complain about is the crazy pricing so often seen where a gal is $300/hr, $400/90 min, and then $550/2 hours.

As a 2 hour lover, that stuff drives me nuts.

experienced in that hour. You know what you like to do sexually. Find a provider that will do those things.      Then just do it. It can't be that hard to get laid.
Does she have the looks you want? (hair color, size, shape, etc)
Does she provide what you like to do?
Her reviews will tell you how well she performs those services so you can determine if you think she is proficient enough at it for you.
See if hourly rate fits you budget and go see her.

If you want a la carte look for the providers that offer that. You won't find them on TER. You won't find them reviewed. You won't find them in a nice well appointed apartment in a nice safe part of town. But if it's what you want it's out there.

To answer your question, What you are missing is they charge for time. Period. Not services.
Some do have an extra charge for Greek but some don't. I have never paid extra for Greek.

Your post suggests having sexual favors for a fee. I think they call it pandering ?

To protect everyone?
Well, u asked the question in an open forum.
I know what your asking.
You want to walk in, have the lady suck your dick ( or whatever ) and just pay for the that one act.
Been there, done that, when i was in the Navy. You walk in fuck her and leave. (100.00) Walk in get your dick sucked and leave. (50.00)
Hope you don't mind standing in line with 10 other guys!!!
Ya want flexibility as a hobbyist, go to SE ASIA, their poor and will do whatever you want, because they HAVE to. Women here, ( USA ) don't!!

We are selling an EXPERIENCE to you, for the allotted amount of time. That experience - ambience, enthusiasm, openness, appearance, and yes, activities we are prepared to perform with you (whether we do or not) takes emotional and physical capital. Personally, a completely DATY session is just as demanding as one with a variety of acronyms...because I am performing physically and emotionally for that set time period. That EXPERIENCE is what has a market price, per hour.

For the record,I used to do greek and didn't charge extra for it. If I was comfortable and the guy wanted it, it happened, if not, it didn't. If a guy didn't want greek I certainly wouldn't charge him less, because I was still entertaining him both physically and emotionally during that time. I would have felt that I was still giving him the same amount of physical and emotional attention, no matter what he or I wanted to do.

Maybe if I were asked to do something more out of my comfort zone - an unusual or demanding fetish, for instance - I would charge more, and I know some providers who do that. But, the market also supports that as it is out of the norm for the standard type of experience we ladies normally provide.  

Why the unnecessary vitriol? I want clarification and transparency in this industry

Wait, what's wrong with this rate structure? If she was charging 300/hr across the board it would be 300 / 450 / 600. She's giving you a deal if you book for longer than an hour...

Well, you could go to a BP girl or to your local corner and get exactly what you want and then some for a whole 50 bucks.. Top end... maybe as cheap as 6 bucks or so I read...

Try getting to know a particular lady friend for a while. Some will give you a price break once they get to know you...

Bottom line: high dollar/low volume= A happy eager provider!!!!!!!!!!!!!!( at least for me)

Too much Romulan Ale

And WAYYYY too much Vulcan logic here.

As hiddenhills suggested spend some time on the Newbie board and read...and understand.

To try and impose your will on an entire group of folks that have spent decades evolving this "model" will, in all probability,  NOT WORK.  And for you to understand the whys and hows...You'll need to grab onto Spock's human half as the Vulcan half of logic will never ever apply here.

Or start your own agency based on your model...perhaps give it a test run in the Andromeda galaxy and if it works well (might want to try it on some humans though), bring it back here and franchise the deal.

Live long and prosper

that she's giving a bigger break from her hourly rate for 90 min. than she is for 2 hours.  I agree that doesn't make sense, but you see things like this all the time.  Perhaps she just perfers 90-min. sessions though.

handle our own rates.

FYI, you're wrong too. Not ALL of us charge you the same flat rate...I charge more for a pse, so essentially, the guy is NOT being charged for services he does not get.



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and I don't get why you continue to argue the point when every response has pointed out the obvioius: you are paying for time.  And there's a good reason for that.  She presumably has other people she could see who want, and will pay for, her full menu.  Just because you don't want it does not mean you should expect a price break.  The buffet analogy used above is perfect.  You pay for the whole thing, including the standing rib roast, even if all you take is a salad.
Bottom line: you will never, ever, find a gal who will play by your rules so don't bother looking for it.  If you want to pay less, the only thing you can do is find a low-budget gal but you'll get what you pay for (and her pussy may stink).  Personally, I love DATY so I get your preference.  But her meter is running at the same rate whether your eating her or fucking her.  That will not change to accomodate your preferences.

is a printer looking to service the entire hooker world.

The longer the menu and changes to those menu's...the higher the price for his printing services

Just a thought!

By Scotty and join Laureen in outer space

on a fk board, because the real pros are too smart for him to mingle with? His every post reflects his faux expertise, but I find it amusing so I play along ha ha. If the only place you can talk about your field of study is a hooker board, well that says it all right there. I am in Health Care but you don't see my every post as an attempt to correlate hooking with  freaking Health Care do ya?  Unless there is a thread about STDs, or Pharm Reps. I really don't find the need to ask everyone about x, y, and z as it relates to my other profession. What's the damn point? Basic Marketing and Microeconomics were Junior year undergrad....guess that's where he is at?

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Some may think you're in the health care field

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in hooker economics...we do what we want. Some do charge according to a service based rate structure, and some don't. I know a girl who has rates like this: $250-1 pop no gfe, $350-Full Hour GFE, $500-Full Hour PSE..so they are out there. She is also highly reviewed and does not work out of low end motels, so it just goes to show that what works for one does not work for all of us.

non-gfe, and many providers do in fact offer it, but his post makes no sense here. GFE is a term widely used in the industry, and that's what most are paying for. Just because you don't want the services already built into a gfe, does not mean you can go trying to change the term to suit you. I may not want the water park with my zoo pass, but it is already built in.

I have the option to pay a higher price for only the zoo, or I can get a discount with the water park and maybe the IMAX included. He fails to realize that if a girl did in fact charge by the service his own post contradicts itself, as he would pay more in the long run if he were a regular monger. If he wanted only bbbj one day for $200 then fs the next day for $300, he just paid $500 for both when he could have got ALL of that for say $400 to begin with.





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But expect to pay many times more what you would pay an independent escort for her "time"

...will provide the things you want. If she offers CBJ and not BBBJ then I'm not interested. Telling me what she will provide keeps us both from wasting our time. Listing services is so you can make an informed choice about whether you want to see her or not. IT's not to show you line item pricing. If she just gives a time and a price as you stated you won't know that she doesn't CIM and if you want CIM then you end up wishing you had known ahead of time.

As I said on the newbie board to you. Stop. Paralysis by Analysis will kill you. Find a lady you like at a donation you want to pay with the services you want to experience and go fuck her.

so we have given up trying to make it logical.
You are correct in saying she is giving a discount for longer dates, and we appreciate that. However,  mrfishers point was that there is a bigger discount for 90 minutes than for two hours. so you get a reward for booking 90 minutes instead of one hour, and you get a reward for booking 2 hours instead of one hour, but you get punished for booking 2 hours instead of 90 minutes. But we see this all the time, and the topic comes up here all the time. It is provider math. It doesn't make sense, and we may as well give up trying to have it make sense. But this digresses from the original post anyway. it is a completely different topic.

or call a number from one of the roving billboard trucks, and have a lady show up with an ala carte menu. 200 to show up, 200 more to get naked, 200 more for a lap dance, 100 more for a hand job, 200 more for cbj, 300 more for cfs (one position, maybe two), etc, etc.

If you want to play with an experienced, TER reviewed  provider, then just pay her for her damn time!

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once upon a time. Two hour dates IMO are the most work...even more than a 3 or 4 hour dinner date, so I charge less for the dinner dates if you look at my rate structure. At 2 hours, my rate breaks down to $300 an hour, but at 3 Hours I only charge $700 but 1.5 of that is at dinner.

I tend to charge more for sex, vs. public time because I prefer doing dates with guys who like to leave the hotel room. My 3 hour rate used to be a grand and I found that was ludicrous. I was cutting out the very men I wanted to attract for dinner dates by doing that, so I upped the sex rate and lowered the dinner rate lol. Now, guys who just want sex pay for that, and those who want dinner as well, pay very little.

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It is a way for the provider to get guys to book at the times she prefers.  She will add other time frames but make them less attractive to the buyer by increasing the prices. If someone pays it, I suppose in her mind she gets the premium fee for a time frame that is not her favorite. This is but reason, possibly a few others I am not privy to.

Personally, if I don't want to see someone for 2 hours, I just won't off that.

...and using "provider math" to maximize the demographic she chooses to see and the time spent the way she prefers and to reduce workload...why work any harder than one has to. I'd that was pretty smart.

cook a 4 course meal...New Orleans only of course.

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on the board?
Or get out of the hobby.
Or go discuss 'matrixes' with civvy gals

Shit or get off the pot!

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Where to start?

You are proposing an endlessly complex service-based pricing structure that is completely impractical.

You are suggesting a structure that would guarantee a lot of renegotiation in the middle of the date, as you choose to ask for less, or more.

You are guaranteeing that any lady who adopted such a plan would be accused of upselling, and otherwise destroy what might be a perfectly wonderful date because of all that renegotiation.

And I suspect you are doing it either because you are too lazy to do your research, or because you want to see a really top-tier provider, one who offers it all, but do not want to pay her price. Or maybe you had some other bad experience, and this is your way of venting.

In any case, the answer to "What am I missing?" is simplicity and practicality. You pay for her time, and you discover how it goes once you meet. That is never going to change And she will charge whatever works for her, and assuredly not what works for you.

zig

that serves sushi and lobster, the cost is integrated for such food. BUT if you only like to eat fried rice and that is all you eat, you STILL have to pay for the regular dinner price.

It is what it is. They cannot give you ten different rates like:
1) Little bit of lobster and rest fried rice
2) More lobster, little sushi, and no fried rice
3) All fried rice
.... etc

...the ability to realize that was a foolish statement and until you're ready to do the "providing"  you don't get to have an opinion.

about charging MORE green for MORE work. I don't like doing hours anymore, so I don't offer them period, but two hours are just not my atf when I am on tour...at home, they are but I still prefer dinner dates more than anything else. The reason I don't just start out wth a dinner date rate, is because so many guys cannot be seen in public and would feel they are required to do that if I did not have a 2 hour private time only rate. I have been playing around with rates for 4 years, and think I am finally at a place that works for both me and the guys I see...thank goodness lol.

...how some providers have a very inconsistent multi-hour price tragectory, which makes little mathematical and no business sense at all.

there are many ladies who per minute rate is lower at 90 min than at 60 min, but then goes higher for 2 hrs, as mrfisher was pointing out.

it seems to me you either have a lower rate/per min the more hours booked, or you don't, either way it's great, whatever the market will bear.  but to be a better deal at one allotted time period but then a worse deal at a longer allotted time period seems illogical to me, and not smart business wise.

some ladies i have figured out i could see for four 90 min. sessions and wind up paying less money than if i saw them for 3 two-hour appts instead.  whatever ladies!

about 20% of the ones I've seen.  You'll also see it more often in a provider's listing on P411.

...know they do because I have seen them. I have also seen them listed in ads. Yes, I know that's not really a good thing to do but they do it. Yes, it is a minority. The reason I brought it up at all is the OP somewhere in this thread asked "why" give him a list of services ( though he didn't use the word services) available. Why not just give him a an amount and a time. ( I believe you will find that question in his post that I replied to.) Additionally there is a list of services in her TER profile assuming she has one. I assumed he had seen a list of services somewhere or he wouldn't have mentioned it.

Are you posting as Glenn

Or Glenda?

Come on...all of TER land wants to know.

Is it possible that you're BOTH?  There is a board for that here as well

the thing you are missing is thaT THEY ARE BLATENTLY TELLING YOU THEY WANT A FEW WHALES A WEEK AND DONT WANNA DO XTRA XTRA WORK FOR PEANUTS N BE EXHAUSTED,  wow, . this was a mean thread, hmm why cant i get a discount if all i want is to pout my dirty filthy saliva all over the object in question, why question in first place what a womans thought process is AT ALL. when its her doing it, you think its fun for her to have some 60 yeaR OLD NNASTY DUDE DROOLIN ON HER? WHY QUESTION WTF A LADY WANTS ?  wow u act like we owe u sumthin here?

A clue!  Good luck to you in this hobby.  You are going to need it!

I always say the price is the price naughty or nice, I don't care if you do or dont want possible menu items, what we charge is NOT UP TO YOU or anyone else .
Do you got that now?

Some of us don't want to be wearing a diaper by 35 and if it were all inclusiive we run the risk of having reviews that say, "Well I paid the same price as the next guy but I did not get greek." I don't feel it fair to charge the guy who does not want greek the same as the one who does. We are not talking about BBBJ and CIM where no more wear and tear is at play...with greek, it very well is.

No, I never charged my BFs, for it but I was also "ready." Anal on demand is entirely different, so just because you might enjoy it does not mean you have to give it away like you do everything else for the same rate.

Back to my first response though...we CAN.

Well said London!  I find it maddening because I don't like to even discuss donations or services.  Even if they are not together. I also don't publish my beautiful face anywhere.  Some gals think I should. That I would do better, but to me it is not worth the risk.
On my website I don't use any acronyms except GFE.  I expect guys to read reviews and use their imagination.  I actually say No trip to isles because I don't want to open that up for everyone and I am tight so I loved the diaper comment!  I also offer massage and my price schedule is reflective of that.  DATY is FS and should be at the regular rate IMHO.  Dinner dates I don't even charge for because I don't want to cook.  I now make it clear though, if they want to play later, normal donations apply.  I also like outcall but he has to be willing to pay the extra 50 for my time and gas, driving. more if I have to drive more than 50 miles.  
Everyone's posts about our preference are also correct.  It is our body, our time, and often our incall.  We should be allowed to charge what we feel.  Have a great Father's Day!  Kalina

"Some of us don't want to be wearing a diaper by 35"...What the hell are you talking about? Sounds like an irrational old wives tale! I don't claim to be a doctor (but I play a juris doctor on TV), but according to emedicinehealth.com: "Rectal prolapse is caused by weakening of the ligaments and muscles that hold the rectum in place. In most people with a prolapsed rectum, the anal sphincter muscle is weak. The exact cause of this weakening is unknown; however, rectal prolapse is usually associated with the following conditions: 1)Advanced age 2)Long-term constipation 3)Long-term diarrhea 4)Long-term straining during defecation 5)Pregnancy and the stresses of childbirth 6)Previous surgery 7)Cystic fibrosis 8)Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 4)Whooping cough 6)Multiple sclerosis 7)Paralysis..." Do you have a source for your statement? Or you can admit that it's an irrational personal preference like not walking on cracks in the sidewalk....

on cause it says:

"Etiology

Most are idiopathic
Increased intra-abdominal pressure
Constipation
Coughing- paroxysmal or chronic coughs
Chronic vomiting
Straining during urination secondary to obstruction
Diarrheal diseases
Acute infections
Chronic diarrhea associated with malabsorption syndromes, such as celiac disease
Parasitic infestations (Ascaris and trichuriasis)
Neoplasms of rectal area
Malnutrition states (most common cause worldwide)- hypoproteinemia leads to mucosal edema and decreased immune function leads to increased susceptibility to enteric infections.
Cystic Fibrosis- There is a 25% incidence in CF patients and CF accounts for about 10% of all prolapses. This incidence decreases if the patient is receiving pancreatic enzyme supplementation. Prolapse may be the presenting symptom and may be secondary to malnutrition, chronic diarrhea and cough.
Neuromuscular syndromes including meningomyeloceles, tethered cords.
Ehler-Danlos, Hirschsprung's disease, hypothyroidism and ANAL SEX"

Please note the very last one thank you. Most ladies know what they are taking about as to risks.

WTF do you think happens when you have too much anal sex with men who have no clue as to what they are doing? Duh....the muscles start to get weak. You must have missed that year of school.  Try shoving a hot dog, a pickle, a cucumber, and maybe a coke can up your ass twice a day 3 times a week and let me know what it looks like in a few years. UNLIKE our Vaginas the Ahole was NOT made for things to ENTER it with such friction and frequency...that's why God make a vagina for us to take weenie in, but us loons just have to find ways to get off so there ya go.

Get educated please before you spout off bs! I can show you documented PROOF of women who had one too many biguns up their ass, and it's not pretty! We are not talking about once in a while, when you're relaxed, with a bf when you get drunk, and when you are horny...we are talking about ANAL ON DEMAND, which contradicts the first part of this sentence that is essential for proper anal sex. Put it up your ass, and don't worry about what we put up ours ok? Great...thanks.

The bottom line is I do it, but I am not going to do it with everyone period! Look up some microeconomics facts while you're at it, and see that when the demand for a certain service is not being served up like candy on Halloween, the demand goes up for it as does the price..thanks. I get more for it because I can...no other reason. If I did not like to do something, I would not do it at all but luckily I paid attention when they taught supply and demand.


FYI, I am in Health Care so please don't tell me what I have seen coming through ER all the times I have had to volunteer for free. There is a reason Jenna Jameson does anal only with her bf, and it's not because she did not like it bwahahaha.



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but someone under 5 inches bwahahaha!