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myst101 2029 reads
posted
1 / 22

To be clear, any time I contacted my provider, in the past,  it was to set up a date. Nothing more. Except recently, I sent her a suggestion to on how to cope with the new situation we're all in because of the laws.  Instead of emailing me back, in any sort of professional manner - "Thank you, but I'm covered" or "No Thanks". She put up a post on her social media roasting me for sending her a message unrelated to a date. Am I missing something? Was I being a jerk?

-- Modified on 4/24/2018 12:36:08 AM

Crazy Diamond 12 Reviews 122 reads
posted
2 / 22

Her response is surprising.  All of my regulars, and those who I don't see or communicate with as frequently, have been more than willing to discuss the current pile of BS we are all mired in, and strategies and potential solutions in coping.    Then again, I've known my lady friends for years, so we are way beyond the point where our communications are just about setting up dates.  That being said, it is obvious that the lady you are referring to was offended, and it's probably time for you to move on.    Regardless of whether it was justified or not.          

-- Modified on 4/24/2018 3:56:35 AM

Lifeuniverseandeverything 141 reads
posted
3 / 22

THCCC is The Hooker Condecension Cuk Club.

Where sex work providers show their power over their businesses. Using a client they decide that are expendable, they hang him out to dry. They look for attagirls from their peers, to promote the "us against them" collective, and their show of what they believe to be  professionalism, intelligence and class.  
In their self-righteous indignation, they don't consider that they may be chasing away the good clients that may be considering them.

You came across one of these 1: She does not really value you as a client and won't see you anymore.
                                                                   2: She thinks you would not see it.
                                                                   3: She thinks you will continue wanting to see her and doesn't give a fuck about what  
                                                                        you think.

With all that has gone on in the last few of weeks, it's not surprising that there will be asshole clients coming out of the woodwork and some sex worker providers will respond in strange ways. Or, she has always been BSC and you have just found out.

myst101 109 reads
posted
4 / 22

We discussed setting up more dates on last visit. Anyways, I think I get the picture. Thank you for your responses.

myst101 120 reads
posted
5 / 22
mrfisher 115 Reviews 119 reads
posted
6 / 22

Had she ever contacted you about something other than setting up a date?

If not, then to assume it is OK to do so is the mistake.

 
In her mind, there are probably two things that ticked her off:

The first is the barrier of making contact without the intention of setting up a date, and the second is perhaps she thought you were "mansplaining" on a subject that she may feel she is more knowledgeable about than you are.

 
Her reaction does appear extreme, but then again it's all about point of view.

Senator.Blutarsky 120 reads
posted
7 / 22

...and a whiner. Get a grip. Unless you know someone really, really well, giving unsolicited advice is usually met with resistance.  Would you presume to give advice to your doctor or accountant?  

Now, I'm not condoning her response, which was definitely unprofessional, but it was kind of condescending on your part to assume she needed any help. Most of these women are big girls and know how to take care of themselves.  

Hey, you asked.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 118 reads
posted
8 / 22

how you would have reacted if she gave you unsolicited advice on how to do YOUR job.  Unless you have credentials from your own experience that make you an expert in HER line of work, its best to STFU.   Its a rookie mistake, is condescending, and comes off as you thinking she is less than intelligent and incapable of running her own business.  Who would not be offended?  As Fisher says, "live and learn."

John_Laroche 107 reads
posted
9 / 22
zorrf 120 reads
posted
10 / 22

I mean, none of us were there for the exchange.  I could see how it could potentially be annoying as fuck having some spectator telling you how you should run your business.  Unsolicited advice aggravates people.  I also assume that if a girl puts herself out there as available for a good time, she has to sort through many many messages, a lot of them bullshit.  You adding to her workload without contributing to the bottom line might have made her sour.  Which I also get.  

Or maybe she's tactless, unreasonable, and easily offended?  Who the fuck knows, because again, we weren't there and you didn't copy and paste the conversation into your post.  Did you ask her before seeking the sympathy on TER?  

GaGambler 130 reads
posted
11 / 22

The first one of course is "what was your ADVICE to her?"  

 
If you had advised her to reduce her rates or something equally as obnoxious I can understand her ire. Fish, in a post below also touched on the subject of "mansplaining" and I can see how that could piss someone off who is already in crisis mode.

 
The second question is, "did she name you when making reference to you?" or did she simply say "I had this idiot client" and then you knew it was you after reading it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 112 reads
posted
12 / 22

of woman you want to take your time with after smashing the clock on the nightstand into little pieces.  Lol

-- Modified on 4/24/2018 5:21:56 AM

justanavgjoe 23 Reviews 111 reads
posted
14 / 22

By and large I agree with Zorrf. However, the provider is out of line. It is precisely because she is pro she should have maintained her decorum. I am no provider but I am in a service type industry and at times clients really do try my patience. But as a pro I know I have to remain kool, calm and collected. Beyond that we ARE ALL in this together. For one, any long time hobbyist will know quite a bit about the business as likely he will have accumulated many experiences over the years. Granted, not necessarily on par with a provider but still plenty. While one might not tell a doctor or lawyer how to do their job one might question this or that prognosis, advice or line a treatment. Not in a heavy handed way but just cautiously after having done your homework and perhaps seeking out a second opinion.  

Two, the law affects us hobbyists in  profound ways as well. TER is exhibit A. We no longer have access to those precious reviews and so many of us will have to fly, if not blind, then certainly with a good dose of haze in front of our eyes.If providers are again pushed in to the bygone era of street walking, it exposes both them and us in a public way I would presume nobody wants. Bet on having more YMMV and worse boys from here on out if TER is not able to come back full strength.

Finally, by behaving the way she did how can  a potential date trust she'll stick to confidentiality. After all, she chose to strike back in a public way. Again, in my experience, it is not wise to respond to being ticked by a client in a public way. Her best opinion would have been to respond to him privately and tell'em she did not appreciate his input. Likely what would have happened, considering they were somewhat regular with each other, is that the guy would simply apologize and the whole thing could've been buried right there. She likely could keep seeing him and that is nothing to sneeze at considering the legal/political situation where people knocking on her door will not come easy. Now, it seems she's lost a valuable regular. Never smart from a business standpoint.

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 118 reads
posted
15 / 22

Probably thought he was on a friendly basis with her. Of course how many times and over what length of time he saw her weighs in. Also, what " advice "  was offered. If it felt in any way like he were trying to tell her how to run her business or her life, then that's obviously not gonna fly. Too little info provided to say who misstepped. Some ladies have genuine affinity for their clients, some are just punching a clock. Regardless....I think it's safe to say she has no warm feelings towards you now.

Senator.Blutarsky 117 reads
posted
16 / 22

...it's just takes a special woman to make me want to. 😎

myst101 127 reads
posted
17 / 22

I would never ask someone to adjust their rates.

-- Modified on 4/24/2018 7:02:35 PM

Steve_Trevor 107 reads
posted
18 / 22

I don't know what the OP said to this provider. But if any provider had sent me an email with helpful tips on coping in this New World, I'd be very appreciative, whether or not I already knew all about what the provider told me.

In fact, two providers did reach out to me when this all started--one with an email newsletter with a list of potential ad sites, another with a text re a recommendation for a VPN.  And I shared this info and a couple of other ideas with several providers I know, via email.  They all replied that they appreciated the help and have since acted on at least some of my suggestions.

This provider's response (in the OP) is just another example of the wrong way to respond to this kind of an email.  It takes a lot less time to reply, "Thanks, I got it covered" (Send) than to roast someone on social media.  Which is humorous and ironic because she probably roasted him for "time wasting".

imanalias 152 reads
posted
19 / 22

To her, ur a jerk time waster, she didn’t ask for help did she? You have said what suggestions you offered. You haven’t said what she posted or if it was directed at you by name.

So her loss because I doubt you would be willing to see her again, but I could be wrong.

So what were the replies to her comment? I’m sure everyone is siding with her.

Unless they contact me, I seldom bother to email them just to say hello or hope to cope with the current conditions.

Even those I’ve seen many times and have a closer relationship I realize they have enough going on trying to cope with the day to day shit and unless it’s seriously important or I’m setting up a date I don’t want to bother them.

Your suggestion would have likely been received differently if you were paying for her time to listen.

Mufassa 138 reads
posted
20 / 22

Sadly this is true. Some girls are just straight out nasty on twitter. They full out hate reviews. Yes, bad clients can weaponize reviews and use it against girls but that is a minority. It happens in all forms of reviews system. But that is not an excuse or something i am say to devalue the damage that it does

But I do challenge those ladies who hate it, stating that clients use reviews as a way to tell if the date is worth the money and will not be a con. Yet they say but just looking at the the girls site, P411 and do some research to ensure the lady you want to see is a great date. I respond by saying clients use reviews as a form a research and that almost all the time seals the deal. If a girl has good reviews I will be at more at ease booking. If they have stellar reviews I would not mind going the extra mile when it comes to super strict screening that requires some effort because i know its worth the hustle. But now its a wild, wild west

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 115 reads
posted
21 / 22

Yet we seem to get it all the time.  I have gotten unsolicited advice about everything from diet to advertising and most of it has a tone of condescension.  Sometimes we just get to the point where we will yell at the next person who tries to do it, though I have learned over the years that accepting/asking for a man's advice strokes his ego.  I guess guys just like feeling like they can be useful.

imanalias 110 reads
posted
22 / 22

Yes, but it’s not limited to guys. Though they do go out of there way sometimes.

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