Whatever floats people's boats, I guess.
Me, in P4P...in general I'm always very honest / presenting genuinely...but in P4P I can rigorously be myself. It becomes very philosophical or something. It's freeing. I'm naturally on the quieter and easygoing side. IRL I have to push myself to be more 'aggressive' at times. Not for a lack of confidence, I'm just not an aggressive kinda guy. I guess I could use P4P to be some kind of alpha guy. I'd rather use it to be myself. And I love it when providers call me hon and sweetie. I don't share my life story, and I'm naturally reserved. But I'm not making shit up.I don't understand why people think it's necessary to make their life completely fictitious. However, it's very common as of late. So, let's discuss the why behind the lies. I see women creating backgrounds that are so unbelievable that we literally joke about it. Guys just make up bullshit stories about their careers, military service, marital status...all things that really won't stop me from seeing you. So, is it the hobby itself that fuels the lies? Is it insecurity? Is it a safeguard? I'm not judging, I am just curious.
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Which has the higher percentage of martial status lies
Guys who are really married and say they are single ?
Or
Guys who are really single and say they are married
Guys who are really married and claim to be single.
Guys who are really married and say they are single ?
Or
Guys who are really single and say they are married ?
For my daughter's MRI. And my skin did not lie, you could tell there a ring had been there for years.
Why would anyone lie about being married? Providers do not care!?!
If they don't care, then why do they ask? I have never volunteered my status but get asked intermittently. Are you saying guys enter a room and start out by saying " let's be perfectly clear I am single".
That's my whole point DT we do not care
Why would anyone lie about being married? Providers do not care!?!
You must see the ring marks on their wedding band finger lol.
How can you tell other than the ring marks ?
What percentage of guys will tell they are married but have the wedding band off ?
Guys who are really married and say they are single ?
Or
Guys who are really single and say they are married ?
Who knows! Maybe it's the guys' insecurities and feels he HAS to build himself up in a provider's eyes. Me personally, I'm an open book. If I feel comfortable enough I won't shut up. Plus I'm too honest at times. (I know that there are some who will read what I just said and go "pfffft" Hey, that's there opinion)
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Whatever floats people's boats, I guess.
Me, in P4P...in general I'm always very honest / presenting genuinely...but in P4P I can rigorously be myself. It becomes very philosophical or something. It's freeing. I'm naturally on the quieter and easygoing side. IRL I have to push myself to be more 'aggressive' at times. Not for a lack of confidence, I'm just not an aggressive kinda guy.
I guess I could use P4P to be some kind of alpha guy. I'd rather use it to be myself. And I love it when providers call me hon and sweetie. I don't share my life story, and I'm naturally reserved. But I'm not making shit up.
i truly feel that i've got nothing to lose by being totally honest about myself, so i open up even more than i would in civvie life.
i have lied to women in the hobby though... "you're the most beautiful woman i ever made love to..." "you're my favorite lady..." things like that in the throes of passion. little pillow lies we all tell.
but i don't feel the need to lie about my life and who i am. au contraire, i find it freeing to be able to tell my troubles to a completely disinterested third party that has no dog in the dog fight that is my current situation.
i do however think that providers tend to lie, if even by omission, and in my mind it's for things i wouldn't get upset over if they told the truth. (ie: i wouldn't get upset if she admitted she had to leave because she's headed to another appointment instead of "the gym"; i know how she makes her living; i also know "the gym" isn't keeping track of her arrival time. also, how many times can your brother come to town so you're not available tonight? really? your brother? again?)
now before you hookers all get your panties in a bunch, i'm not saying all hookers lie all the time. but i do think ladies find it more expedient to fudge the truth rather than risk hurting a client's feelings, or worse, pushing a borderline nut case over the edge so he becomes a stalker, or violent, or otherwise unhealthy to living things. so i'm not saying it's a bad thing to lie in this hobby; it's more often than not better to come down on the side of safety than stick to some upstanding moral code.
p4p is kind already premised on a lie...wow, you are so attractive, i have to have sex with you even though we only met 2 minutes ago! man, it's a delicious lie, and i eat it up every time i knock on a new door. so lying in the hobby doesn't bother me until the lies spill over into bumping my set appointments around, which has happened
My name is obviously an alias, but other things are not. At some point you loose track of the lies, and it all come back to bite you. I prefer to keep things simple. I screen quite heavily, so I generally don't feel that the stuff that comes up in casual conversation is all that threatening to me. I've always been a pretty upfront sort of person though.
As Curt Cobain said "I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not."
If someone feels the need to lie to me about something (other than screening info) that is fine with me. Whatever they need to do, to have the experience that they are looking for, is fine
But the unnecessary lies? Why?
"Historians and archaeologists will one day discover that the ads of our time are the richest and most faithful reflections that any society ever made of its entire range of activities."
M.McLuhan, "Screw Magazine, Mediums, and Messages" (Randy House, 1958)
Good point The paid experiences that they are looking for is fine.SAFE hobbyists....
....why lie and try to impress someone that you're paying to be with you? Lol as if she'd care one way or another, as long as you are respectful and pay the donation is probably the only thing that matters.
Most lies are eventually going to come out anyhow, so what's the real point? Especially lying to someone you are paying to "like you" in the first place. I mean talk about dumb, I guess it's the same phenomenon as people who try to impress their waiter when dining out. As if the waiter, (or hooker) really give two fucks about how great and important a customer claims to be.
Most seem comfortable with themselves.
There were two I can remember within the past year, who bragged about their 1% status in their introductory emails. They both ended up haggling with me a few dates down the road…
One emailed me at 1AM asking for a last-minute date for $200 less than my normal hourly rate (also used the word ‘roses’).
The other one seemed to think that he could achieve ‘favorite client’ status by buying me Tiffany (not the really expensive stuff), and that I’d willingly hang out with him for his entire trip duration (several days) in return for him paying a bill or two, and taking me shopping. Might have worked if I were 16, or a nitwit. After a few dates he started squawking about rates (he booked a few hours at a time, always less than $1500, which is immensely reasonable for a few hours in NYC) and saying he was ‘not rich.’ LOL. I guess 1% status doesn’t get you much these days.
An aside: I HATE shopping. I generally shop online except if I need something immediately, and would rather spend a whole day fasting than a whole day shopping.
...I don't ask direct questions about her life and I wouldn't answer questions that I would consider indiscreet. But I'll talk about kids, my real work, my extended family, travel, etc. I consider myself careful, so I guess I don't understand why people would feel the need to lie about their life -- just work in broad strokes and skip the little telling details.
Oh...and I can think of lots of things I'd rather do with my mouth than lie to my beautiful companions....
I don't lie because I am a widower, live alone, the people in my life who matter know what I am doing. My P411 is accurate, so what's to lie about?
I dont see the point. Its a business transaction. Now in the sugarbaby world. Look out! Guys lie about their money and plans. Gurls lie about everything.
my family, my pets, my job, my education, where I live, etc. If the topic comes up in conversation, then they get the truth.
First of we start the whole process by using fictitious names. You are Erin, and I'm Mo. Or was that Jo? Technically that's dishonest. Even though it's dishonest, it's appropriate for safety reasons. Then, we are going to meet to, presumably have sex. You don't know what I look like, and I sort of know what you look like, but you hide your face, so I'm not sure. Once again, that's dishonest. No one in their right mind would agree to have sex without looking at each other first. But once again that's the protocol, so we just do it. Sometimes we're happily surprised, and sometimes, well Yikes! Next, can I believe your reviews? Did you write them yourself under a second fictitious name (yes, there are those who have more than one fake name, especially among the guys)? Did you offer free sex to have someone write you a great review? Did you get a friend to write you a great review? So I truly don't know what's going to happen based on your reviews. Trust me, I've been burned by too many ladies with great reviews to rely on them. And what about me? Can you trust me? Do you trust my two references? I might have been nice to those two, but be a real jerk off in life. And yet for both of us, reviews and references, while not perfect, are something we have to live with. It's part of the process. Next, when you cum for me, is it real, or is it a lie? Many ladies have stated on these boards, that it's all a lie. Lastly, the chances of you becoming my atf, and I yours are pretty slim. Over the years I've done hundreds of ones and done. Once in a blue moon, you click with someone, and want to return for a second visit or more. Even though you're a professional, and will give me everything you've got, chemistry is chemistry.
So with all those lies going against us, why is it so important to tell the truth? We just have to play out the process, and hope for the best. Now I'll tell you about another hobby or two, and maybe a TER story to try to relax us, but that's all the truth you're getting. It's likely we'll never see each other again. If the conversation turns to real names, jobs, wifey, atf, and such, I'm going to lie. I'll lie because not saying anything is rude. I just don't think this is a place to have expectations of truth when so many lies abound. However, after many visits to develop trust, more truth will come out.
and some of you sound so jaded about this whole thing I often wonder why you even bother with this little hobby of yours.
I know why I do it, I love to have NSA, guilt free, see you again someday sex with beautiful woman after beautiful woman. Some of you stress so much I wonder why you think it's worth just to get your dick wet with some strange every month or so.
I think "most" of the women here lie because that is what their clients not only want, but demand. Ok, sure there are the ROB's the B&S artists and other kind of "Lying bitches" but by and large the lies most hookers tell are the lies demanded by their johns.
Mainly because you nailed it. As for myself, I could not have replied to his post because once I opened it and saw how fucking long it was, I dumped it.
I don't even find being with a hooker exciting, or interesting. I usually enjoy my self, but it's far from exhilarating. How's that for sounding jaded?
Time remembering the truth to keep lies straight
The military lies piss me off because it's more than
Just "Stolen Valor". Some providers offer military and disabled vet
Discounts so guys lie to get those. That's great! And yes, there is an ID card for Disabled Vets.
Ladies, no card- no discount! Please. I can't think of anything lower than a fake vet! Some people
Take this fantasy shit a little too far ... That's my rant for the day.
Edit: missed an S ... little fucker(s)
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I lie while playing poker a lot. My opponents must decide if I'm lying or telling the truth, sometimes partial truths. Sometimes they guess right and catch me, sometimes not.
As far as P4P, I can't think or even imagine how I could benefit from lying to a provider. I'm not married, can't think of how telling her I am would be of benefit. I have a good job, one I find interesting, other people not so much, but again how will I benefit by saying I do something else. I served my Country in the Military, I'm very proud of my service and very thankful of those who serve or have served. Not sure how I could ever benefit from telling her that I didn't serve.
So yeah, what would I lie about, and what would it benefit me to do so
I don't make up stories about myself to impress hookers. I do have a "Back story" that changes a few details about myself for the protection of my family and my business life.
Now, there are some obvious and innocent reasons why some clients really don't want to share what they do for a living, so they say something like, "I work in a bank." When in reality they own a dry cleaners which they hope none of the providers they see ever decide to visit.
Me, I'm lucky. I don't do anything so my answer is, "Nothing." And that's honest.
I don't think the What Do You Do question HAS to mean what do you do for a LIVING, but that's sort of the convention. Either that or, "I like doing DATY!" Or "I drink a lot of bourbon." Of maybe, "I drive cross country a lot."
Maybe if providers asked different questions they would get more honest answers. Maybe. Just thinking out loud.
If either client or provider are deliberately misleading about details that can be a deal-breaker, then that's no good.
When people ask prior to the date, I simply tell them that I don't give specifics.
Once we've already met, if a client pushes about any of the above or even more personal information, then yeah..... I just make stuff up. Why? Because I don't consider those things to be any of my clients' business but flat-out saying so can lead to awkwardness or even to him leaving our encounter with overall negative vibe from me.
Some of the false information I've given to people has actually gotten back to me from others, so I'm really glad that I didn't tell him where I really live, what schools I attended, etc etc etc 
As to the clients lying? As long as it's not about things that would cause me not to see him, I don't care.
I have an age minimum, so if they lie about that to get to see me, then that might be a big problem once he arrives.
Real names are also required for me, so if the ID he hands me upon arrival shows a different name, then that's an even bigger problem.
But the little details of your life that don't matter to me? Lie away, or simply tell me you'd rather not divulge. It's all good.
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You don't want a guy to ask about your shoe size but you expect a real name and ID?
I'll look you up on facebook to be my friend and we can talk honestly there.. K?
is your little white lie better than a big ass lie? For u, I guess so..
Come on, now. A lady can tell me she found a cure for cancer while breaking the record in a hot-dog eating contest. Doesn't faze me...
That's partially true yes I'm not fool enough to put my real last name on ter
I have nothing to hide, and I like good conversation. My ATF and I know all kinds of fascinating shit about each other. Hell, once she even went to the restaurant where I work, hoping to see me. I was on vacation for the weekend, so she had to settle for calling me and having a nice little phone conversation.
1) A few years back, I told clients what about a certain activity I used to do (say knitting). That information was apparently spread over PM, and one person even posted a comment under my TER ad referencing it. When "knitting" is googled along w/my real name, it brings up tons of info and news articles, etc. That wasn't what directly caused me being outed, but it certainly didn't help when I was.
2) These days, I tell guys I am a yoga practitioner and went to Oxford (just kidding)! That info has been repeated back to me many times, sometimes from men I've never screened or met
3) Client: 'Wow, did you know that Andrea is Andrea Smith's actual real first name? I told her she should use something different. Plus, her real last name is Smit, which is kind of close as well. Have you ever been to her apartment? Well it's right above XXXX place. GREAT location.'
Me: Makes mental note to tell this client that my real name is Glkjfsdlkjfs Hkjfoweijfqw and that I commute to NYC every day from Saskatchewan.
3) You really just never know who'll turn out to be a psycho, even if he "seems" nice at first
4) It helps me keep 'me' separate... essential for compartmentalization, especially when the gent is disrespectful or otherwise unappealing
5) Gives me an excuse to leave. Like, 'Gosh, I'd love to spend the night with you, even though you just booked an hour. Unfortunately, I have to be up really early for my job tomorrow. And sure, you can text me all day, but I might not be able to get to reply as I'll be at my job. My boss is a BUSTER about us wasting time on our phones'*
*disclaimer: when I use classwork as an excuse, that's actually true. I am a total nerd and LOVE school and classwork! I get really frustrated when things get in the way of that, and/or I have to rush a project
Great Post!! Most people out themselves.
1. Even telling people your real first name can get you outed if you tell people the city/area you live in, exactly what you do for a living , specific charities, hobbies etc.
2. Always have a back story!
3. I never talk specifics about one girl to another. I won't even bring it up or talk about it if asked. You would be surprised how some escorts want to pump you for information about another girl or discuss another girl in a derogatory way.
A girl could turn out to be BSC but it's rare if she's been around a long time and has a good rep.
4. I compartmentalize in every way. The so called "hobby" is not the focal point of my life
Liars lie, it's what they do. I don't think there's any reason to give specific details about my/your life. But no reason to make up crazy lies ether.