So I've seen this girl the fourth time. She's a bit on the quiet side since she's 21. The first two sessions were good for me, but little feedback on her side except some soft moans. The third session, she had more moans and held me tighter and she was wetter.

The fourth session, she says my name. And after cowgirl and doggie, we went mish and I started talkin dirty to her, whispering on her ear when doing mish. And suddenly her moans and scream became loud .. really loud.

From what I've experienced during the first three sessions, this was a very different experience. Was it the dirty talk or what?

She was trying to drown you out.

Seems like she got to know you and let herself go to the point she had a really good time. It might have been the smut talk or a combo of different things. Just enjoy and don't over analyze it...sometimes take it on pure face value and chalk it up to whatever you want...ya had a good time and by the looks of ...so did she...all is good in hobby land

if she is enjoying herself, fantastic

if she wants you to think she is as a part of the GFE ambience, fantastic

if she's not enjoying herself, and she can show me a good time with a smile, fantastic - and more power to her!  (but of course all of the ladies enjoy moi lol)

note in which direction the envelope and its contents are moving

remind yourself that ultimately it is a fee for fantasy arrangement

If it gets real now and then - fantastic. That's a real gift actually

but don't get carried away by it....

The more comfortable she is the more likely it happens.

Perhaps she's on to what makes you happy and leave it at that. If she was faking, well, that happens and what do you expect really with NSA? So that you don't get too comfortable with those moans, see other women so you don't lose perspective. Familiarity is breeds comfort and the its alter ego contempt.

It's always fake. That's just the way it is.

is there a way to drown out posts like this as well?

Didn't the mods say something about "stupid poster" day? Or did I get drunk and miss that day?

Wow. Always?

Either you're seeing the wrong women or you're missing some cues.

Maybe not 100% of the time but pretty close. Come on, any and every cue can be faked.

I think this is what happened. She let go more. It gets better every time. And on the 4th visit, she now refers me as her 'regular'.

Of course things can be faked.  I would never count on an O during a first session is real, but after learning each other it is a lot more common than some believe.

4? Just wait 'till your 40th! (EOM)

x

Squirting can be faked?

How about that nice blush that spreads across her chest and neck?

The erection of the G-spot tissue and it's subsequent relaxation?

Or that wonderful musky odor that some women have when they get truly excited right before they orgasm?

Yeah, the moans and hip rocking and gasping can be faked but there are lots of women who will give you the real thing if you are attentive. Homework pays off.

Next time you're with a provider you trust ask her to come for you (bring herself to orgasm manually) watch closely, once you see what the real thing is like you'll know who's faking and who isn't.

Makes me think of my atf.

Each meeting seems to bring new pleasures. I feel it is partly her desire to keep me coming back for more and partly the fact that we are each more in tune with what works for the other.

All I know is that our meetings get better and better but I recognize that without the envelope our fun time likely ends. I see many more envelopes in our future!  

Best relationship I ever had.  LOL

Yeah, I am good baby. The huge wet spot I leave behind - its fake.

Maybe its just that its always fake for you because no one ever bothered to teach you how to pleasure a woman properly. You are after all, the one and only common denominator in your sexual experiences.

That's what the envelope is for!  Besides she is freaking 21yo.  The 3rd time, she was wetter because you had her diaper off too long. I can only imagine that the loud yelling the 4th time was her screaming STFU!!!! (or she had colic because you didn't burp her)

Okay, that must be it. It's not that women who do this professionally don't tend to really get off from every joker that they see. Thanks.

So many men are so clueless that the obvious evades them.

Nevertheless its fucking sad that so many men can't get a woman off. Sad, as in turn in your balls.

P4P is about you living your fantasy and having a good time.  If part of that is bringing her to an orgasm, then that should be in the script.

I dated a provider who always got off in our P4P days, but then I really had to work at it once we were steady.  It took what would have been about $300 in time to make it happen, but it was very real and very different.

the dirty talkin'...luv it especially whispering in her ear...

oMG that's really hott
xxx
Jinni

I wouldn't want to ruin the surprise.  

But you have already seen the trend.

because they lack self confidence and self worth. They believe that providers always fake it, and could not possibly enjoy them....

Now for my part I'm not *there* to get a provider off. I'm there for her to get *me* off. I'm the one who dropped the envelope. This ain't a dating service and I'm not trying to impress *her* lol

in my private life, and with providers I see regularly, they *always* get off, but that's a different milieu

But for the most part I book 1hrs with young agency girls who first of all are not as in touch with their bodies as more mature women, and who have a vested interest in not allowing themselves to be worn out too easily lol. And I want that hour to be focused on *me*.....

Let's stipulate for discussion that the orgasm was real.

Mish is usually a difficult position for a woman to experience orgasm because there is usually little clitoral involvement.

However, depending on the placement of the clitoris, if it is close enough to the vaginal entrance it can be stimulated through simple tissue movement. And no matter where it is placed; it could be stimulated through the coital alignment technique.

Stipulating again that the orgasm was real; that would imply adequate stimulation at the physical layer.

But women are ridiculously complicated creatures sexually. And I DO mean complicated. About 90%+ of being orgasmic for a woman is between her ears.

Brain scans taken of women while being stimulated to orgasm by their partners indicate that one of the biggest prerequisites to orgasm in most women is that they feel physically safe and secure at the time. So it is possible that by the time you got to the Xth appointment, she was simply feeling safer, which allowed her to relax her vigilance long enough to experience orgasm.

Some studies indicate that women are more orgasmic with more wealthy men; quite independent of technique. (See here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article5537017.ece)

So it could be that over the past X appointments, she has discovered that you are wealthy.

(*grin*)

Or, it could be, just at face value, that she just really digs the dirty talk and it sent her over the edge. Though I should add that women are much less prone than men to fetishism. Various fetishes have been experimentally induced in men quite easily, though not so much in women.

Yeah........ Speaks volumes about a great many....

As for me....I dig synergy.

Man...that is just sad.

If a woman has a really strong O, her tongue will be cold when you kiss her.  I have been married , lived with two girls and have never seen this fail.  Try it.

Yup, some have definitely faked it. I appreciate the effort, but I would (for me) prefer if they responded true to their experience, and I could adjust accordingly. Or maybe they don't wish to have that experience with a client. Either are fine. Just don't distract me with over the top theatrics. A little moaning and squirming is fine.

Of course, if she isn't enjoying it, you don't want to encourage me either

Some MAY have faked it. Like many women, the physical signs can be ambiguous. As GTM said, face value.

Finally, (probably half) some either do not fake it, or are so damned talented to be able to do those things which would signal the real thing.

There are two things that I take as hard to fake signs of an O:
 - the legs twitching and quivering really fast. When I see women fake this it just looks stupid. I doubt any woman has the muscle control to do this properly, and if she does, tell me and I'll pay extra

 - the other was a gal whose interior vaginal walls would literally convulse during DATY, expanding and contracting. Many women can clamp down with their PC muscles, but it would be a real trick to make to make them expand like that. The results is lots of moving air. Again, if she is faking THAT, she deserves extra.

i hate the fake ones...