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Fair points by all.
mrposition 10 Reviews 4456 reads
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1 / 41

...want to stay safe....(actually have had 3 friends pass from this virus)....sex without kissing wont happen for me...gang-how do feel about this....any ideas on other ways of being intimate....my tongue IS attached to my cock....

Black-Panther 163 reads
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2 / 41

How did your three friends die? How did they contract the virus?

Hydrogen peroxide rinse before kissing, avoid DFK. Then rinse again after a  few  minutes of light kissing. Make sure you both take a shower before the session. Minimizes risk, but you're still taking a risk. It is the same with chemical exposure, high exposure brief time will get you sick (if the person is sick or has the virus on their body - previous client infected and no shower). Or long term low exposure.

If you were sick in January/February, go to Urgent Care (call ahead to make sure they aren't busy, you'll be in-and-out in short order - FAR better than the doctor's office). If you have the anti-bodies you get a bit of a pass for a few months.

Good luck with it. Tough decision.

impposter 49 Reviews 178 reads
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3 / 41

SARS-CoV-2 is spread in exhalations, not just spit or mucus. Moist air comes up and out from deep in the lungs, the throat, and sinuses. It carries microdroplets that contain virus. The microdroplets hang in the air for long periods of time. Infection happens by person to person transfer THROUGH THE AIR!  
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Remember those hotbeds of infection? The Korean church accounted for a huge number of cases in Korea. The guy in New Rochelle had attended a wedding in Florida where it was thought that he picked up the infection. Back in NY, he attended religious services where he infected others and it set off the NY firestorm. As far as I recall from the news stories, he was not swapping spit with fellow worshipers or licking their private parts. There might have hand shaking but, mostly, he was breathing in their vicinity and they breathed in what he breathed out.

Posted By: Black-Panther
Re: How didi it happen?
How did your three friends die? How did they contract the virus?  
   
 Hydrogen peroxide rinse before kissing, avoid DFK. Then rinse again after a  few  minutes of light kissing. Make sure you both take a shower before the session. Minimizes risk, but you're still taking a risk. It is the same with chemical exposure, high exposure brief time will get you sick (if the person is sick or has the virus on their body - previous client infected and no shower). Or long term low exposure.  
   
 If you were sick in January/February, go to Urgent Care (call ahead to make sure they aren't busy, you'll be in-and-out in short order - FAR better than the doctor's office). If you have the anti-bodies you get a bit of a pass for a few months.  
   
 Good luck with it. Tough decision.

inicky46 61 Reviews 142 reads
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4 / 41

The guy there WAS responsible for the outbreak in New Rochelle itself but not primarily for what happened in NYC. That outbreak has been traced to Europe and came through Kennedy Airport.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 135 reads
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5 / 41

I don't think BPs advice was all that good either. It's not that it is completely wrong but just seems to miss a major source.

Most of the spread is droplets of fluids that contain the virus that are expelled by breathing, coughing, talking, yelling, panting...

That said, it's also present in the saliva so kissing is going to allow transfer as well. However, I would say that once you are that close the kissing is not really changing your risk at all.

I suspect the bigger questions for you than kiss or not is what are your particular health conditions. Age does have an impact but other health factors are probably much more important than just being over 60 or 70.

GaGambler 141 reads
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6 / 41

The virus is not coming from the mouth, it's coming from the lungs, your hydrogen peroxide rinse is going to protect you only until she/you takes your next breath.  

 
As for the anti-body test, I'd save my time and money right now, Not only are most of the tests inconclusive, but the vote is still out how much, if any protection you really get from having had COVID in the past.  

 
If your provider has COVID, the bad news is that you are VERY likely to get it too. The good news is sex workers are in a much LOWER risk category  than a girl who works at the grocery store, or who rides the bus, or who lives in a big family who all go out in public and encounter multiple people.  

 
The risk is obviously not ZERO, but personally I'd rather see ONE person intimately for an hour or so, than get on a plane, train or bus and be exposed to dozens/ hundreds of people in the course of a day. Well, actually I would get on a plane if there were any place worth going right now, I am not avoiding air travel out of fear. Except for my age, 61, I check every other low risk box and quite frankly I am about as worried about dying from COVID as I am getting into a fatal car wreck on my way to the airport, or my favorite hooker's incall.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 128 reads
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7 / 41

I need the passion, the erotic moment and that includes kissing. With what's going on we all want to be safe. You just have to roll the dice. The way I look at it, I'm very healthy and I'm sure whoever joins me will be fine,
I just don't really think about it, it's mind over matter...you don't mind it don't matter.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 175 reads
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8 / 41

As I was reading GaGa's post, I realized why his claim that SW's are in a much lower risk category makes sense.  
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A SW will see a few clients a day, maybe as many as 6 to 10 if she is a "high volume" provider.  But a person working at a job that requires facing customers (i.e.: a grocery store) might be face to face (with masks and perhaps barriers) with 20 to 40+ people a day.  So the type of activity you have with a SW may be more risky, but the number of times she (and therefore you) might me exposed is lower, which means less risk.  
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As always, it's a trade off... except with one option you get laid, and with the other you might get fucked. :p  
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Life is good.
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The Cat

36363jensen 4 Reviews 129 reads
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9 / 41

The other thing is most good providers are actively monitoring - they don't want to get sick either. They are probably much less risk but probably more concerned about catching it and taking precautions as are the good agencies.  

The one I was seeing while she was in town recently made me laugh if we went out somewhere. Every time we got in the car she insisted we spay to soles of our shoes with a disinfectant and then use the hand sanitizer. (back at the apartment shoes are always left at the door).

She's now on her way to the next stop and will be required to pass a temp check when she gets there as well as having done one her last day working (has a couple of days between). Not sure if all agencies are like that.  

Another agency up in CA has a good story on their web sight (moonwaitingvip) where they describe their cleaning requirements and quarantine of those coming from Asia before they start working. (Assuming that is true but I've always been happy with how they do things in the past).

Still, I think the first question the OP has to ask is what happens to him IF he get infected. Like you I don't see myself having a serious case. Once you think about the risk of being infected considering the risk of getting infected come next. Then make a decision.

Valida 17 Reviews 135 reads
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10 / 41

(Tom Lehrer, "Pollution")

I figure if I'm going to be panting in a woman's bed with her, the added risk of DFK (to either of us) is tiny.  
I figure if I'm not panting, the sex was uselessly poor.  
I figure if I can't kiss a woman, I don't want to take the time and effort and risk and cost to fuck her.  

So I'll evaluate the risks, but kissing needs no separate consideration.

BathtubGin 32 Reviews 120 reads
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11 / 41

Try more like a couple hundred a day. I posted previously about this but it seem the leftists on here don't want to hear it.
Anyhow, I did my own informal poll last week here in Chicago at three groceries stores and an Ace hardware. I asked had ANYONE gotten sick their stores since this whole lockdown began? The answer at all four stores thank God was no...is this ancedotal evidence, of course it is. Still it does confirm MY suspicions.  The suburban restaurants here are finally opening up today and I'm heading out tonight for dinner/ drinks and LIVE MUSIC TOO...time to finally MOVE ON!!

impposter 49 Reviews 151 reads
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12 / 41

Posted By: BathtubGin
The suburban restaurants here are finally opening up today and I'm heading out tonight for dinner/ drinks and LIVE MUSIC TOO.
I'd choose strings and percussion over brass and woodwinds. The blowhard instruments are great at dispersing sound AND exhalations.
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EDIT: Changed non-loading pic. Trying again.

-- Modified on 5/29/2020 11:32:42 AM

impposter 49 Reviews 137 reads
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13 / 41

My bad. The wedding guest guy did go into Manhattan (lawyer in Mahnattan?). And NYS physically  quarantined a section of New Rochelle to stop the spread from there.

Posted By: inicky46
Re: I think you're wrong about the New Rochelle situation, imp.
The guy there WAS responsible for the outbreak in New Rochelle itself but not primarily for what happened in NYC. That outbreak has been traced to Europe and came through Kennedy Airport.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 113 reads
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14 / 41

Don't know what the rules are for the reopening where you are but two observations.

1. Breathing and even talking quietly doesn't seem to spread the droplets very far. Signing and yell is a different story.  

2. Pay attention to the air flow from the AC vents, don't sit in the flow unless you sit at the start of the air flow.

If no one is infected there you don't have anything to worry about. If some are, then in an enclosed space it will not be like at the grocery store.  

But it is good to see things opening up and enjoy.

And had the same thought about the 20 - 40 (though there was that + on the 40). My grocery seems to have between 70 and 100 at any given time. Anyone working on the floor there probably sees closer to 1000 people a day.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 135 reads
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15 / 41

I keep thinking about kissing and it's freaking me out. Not sure why, I don't mind putting a cock in my mouth, but - this is all really nerve-wracking for me going back to work tbh.

I guess if anybody has a problem with it, we'll just have to part ways because I'll probably chicken out on the kissing part

xoxo

JJ

GaGambler 143 reads
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16 / 41

If not, what are you going to do if a new client shows up based on your reviews with certain expectations and you shoot him down once he gets there? Do you plan on refunding his money? Enquiring minds want to know. lol

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 126 reads
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17 / 41

As of May 28, there have been 10,000 deaths of females in your age group in the US from call causes since Feb 1.  Only 400 were from COVID-19.  For those under 50 both sexes the current CDC IFR (infection fatality rate) is 0.05%.  Although you are in the age group most likely to get the disease, you are in the age group of those least likely to die from it.  

useyrhead 4 Reviews 139 reads
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18 / 41

I’ll admit this isn’t terribly practical as a solution. But at least there is one.
You could simply require clients to show that they have donated blood recently. The places I’ve been are testing for COVID-19. Specifically for antibodies so they can ask you to come back and donate plasma..
Yes, I know thee are all sorts of drawbacks to this approach.  
But I think just knowing that there is at least one way to be sure you are safe is a big help.
But maybe that’s just me.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 141 reads
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19 / 41

During the COVID scare, everything is YMMV at this point. It is offered, but if someone shows up and there seem to be multiple risk factors like they themselves are high-risk clients, we will take precautions.

Everything is YMMV right now.

Whatever people do with my TER profile at this time isn't even affecting my "business" at this point because, as usual, I generally see 2-3 new friends per year and that has been my practice for about four years now.

I'm very fortunate to be able to have the ability to do this. :)

emlwccv 131 reads
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20 / 41

It is simply preposterous to think that two people can engage intimately in close quarters and that virus risks are effectively muted or eliminated because the two do not kiss (or DFK).  If a provider is working nowadays, he or she has created an environment to get or spread the virus.  No judgment here, but let's at least be honest about it.  The fact that a provider needs money has nothing to do with the risk of virus transmission.  It's real.  Be safe.

TheVoiceOfReason 130 reads
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21 / 41

Why not disclose this before screening?  What is a high-risk COVID client?  Is this synonymous with a high volume client?  Is race a factor in determining whether or not a client is a high-risk COVID client?  Are you going to take their temperature?

Or is this really more of a pretext to basically say "if you are gross or I am not into you, then no GFE for you"?

I have seen a few ladies post on their websites that they will not see guys who have seen more than 2-3 ladies in the past month.  I have also seen ladies post in their ads that they will take your temperature and if it is above something like 100 degrees, then they won't see you.  

Someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, but it is HER TER profile to update/maintain not people that have seen her, right?

TheVoiceOfReason 118 reads
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22 / 41

If you see a provider who has COVID and you don't kiss, you are still going to get COVID and if a provider sees a client that has COVID and they don't kiss, then she is still going to get COVID.  Whether or not you kiss is irrelevant to whether or not you get COVID.  

GaGambler 134 reads
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23 / 41

What exactly determines a "high risk" client in your book?

 
And you don't honestly think that by not kissing someone that you are going to naked in the same bed with, touching and breathing all over each other for an extended period of time is REALLY going to keep you from catching COVID if he has it do you?

 
Also for the record, being "high risk" from dying from COVID is hardly the same thing as high risk for catching it. A healthy thirty year old who is in contact with a lot of people is a lot more likely to be a carrier and a risk to YOU, than that 75 year  old man with diabetes, asthma, and other respiratory issues who hasn't been outside his house for the last month. YOU are a much bigger risk to him than he is to you.

 
BTW Black people are also more likely to catch COVID than white people, Do you plan on starting a NBA policy? Darn, we haven't had a "no AA" trainwreck thread here in ages, maybe I should start one?

Happy_Ed 84 Reviews 129 reads
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24 / 41

Kissing or not kissing is irrelevant.  You two have zero social distance, and are in intimate contact for an hour.  Saliva, and sweat get shared.  If she has it, they you will likely get it.   When they take our temperature, we should also take theirs.

Remember, they see 30 to 50 guys a week.  If any of those guys got COVID, they are likely to get it for the above reasons.  Considering that many of us exhibit a willingness for risky behavior by just doing this hobby, we are probably at more of a risk of getting COVID.  Grocery store workers and front line workers are probably at less risk.

A test once a week is worthless because there are the intervening 7 days of potential exposure not covered.  And that is assuming the test is a pcr test, not a anti-body test.    Folks are symptom free for 4-7 days after exposure, but they are very contagious during this time frame.

The only alternative for safe professional satisfaction is a massage with face covering and rubber gloves.  

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 188 reads
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25 / 41

Anyone who contacts me or researches me knows before screening it’s YMMV before screening and we chat beforehand before we meet to assure a connection.  

Nobody who has contacted me in four plus years has had VIP on TER and has even been surprised at even some services I offer.

The board posters, as many of us know, are for fun and engagement, and book as busy bodies or are just on the boards for fun. Not really booking everybody who posts.

I’m surprised at how concerned you are at my choices knowing how long you’ve known I have existed here and not one of you have shown an interest in booking... but one and there has been a discussion with an “I don’t think we are a match” in the convo. Lol.  

Y’all know I’m accurate as fuck and you can’t deny it. What you see and hear is 100% what you get. Anyone booking me can make a 100% informed decision, and any time they cannot, they are 100% informed ahead of time, every time.  

If they do not ask, that’s on them.  

But again, anyone who has booked generally has not even known TER exists. I’m on TER for giggles and because I like you guys. I come here when I’m bored and need some drama. Lol.  

Xoxo  

JJ

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 130 reads
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26 / 41

In a 3-month period, I saw over 40 different providers, and didn't catch anything.  I took the Covid-19 test once a month.  All negative, and I recently took that serum antibody test, also negative.  (I was actually hoping this one would be positive).  Some new precautions were in order; most didn't allow any touching until I had washed my hands and  face with soap, and took a shower.  After that, it was a normal GFE session with each of them.  

BigD716 48 Reviews 193 reads
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27 / 41

Has anyone seen a provider who was positive for COVID-19, quarantined, recovered, and is now seeing clients? One of my ATF's, a single mom with a couple of kids, experienced this in April. She went through it alone as the kids went to live their father for two weeks while she recovered. Her kids returned, she's likely seen a few of her regulars (like me...) and is quite healthy. If you've ever experienced anything like this, would be interested in knowing your feelings on whether or not to see her, engage in kissing, et al......

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 120 reads
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28 / 41

Are you worried she will somehow transfer her antibodies to you and you won't be able to become infected with coronavirus, or what?  I would suggest reading the science on antibodies in general and see what the dangers are in seeing someone that has them.  Would you pass on someone who had the measles or chicken pox when they were a kid just because they have antibodies floating around in their blood?

36363jensen 4 Reviews 133 reads
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29 / 41

The two weeks recovery might be soon but that depends a lot on the person and the severity it seems. I think most of the reports regarding reinfection or testing positive again after recovery were largely two types. Some had false tests indicating they were really free from the virus and the other was that the RNA was triggering the positive test result but is it self not infectious or able to replicate.

Probably safe and if everyone is back home with her probably a good sign. I suspect she cares a lot more about her kids than any monger. But if you doubt, give her another week or so to see if any symptoms return.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 115 reads
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30 / 41
Black-Panther 137 reads
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31 / 41

Doing more reading, the bottom line is if the provider (or client) has Covid-19 and you have sex with them (other than through a glory hole for 5 minutes one and done), you're going to get the virus. (see embedded link).

Black-Panther 167 reads
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32 / 41

This has been repeated several times (see link). The most likely way you're going to get the virus is being in an enclosed area for prolonged periods of time; most likely with people vocalizing (choir, call center, loud manufacturing environment (meat packing facility, spaced tightly together).  

Not likely jogging on a bike path or biking outside.
Ignoring the terrible outbreaks in nursing homes, we find that the biggest outbreaks are in prisons, religious ceremonies, and workplaces, such as meat packing facilities and call centers. Any environment that is enclosed, with poor air circulation and high density of people, spells trouble.

Some of the biggest super-spreading events are:

Meat packing: In meat processing plants, densely packed workers must communicate to one another amidst the deafening drum of industrial machinery and a cold-room virus-preserving environment. There are now outbreaks in 115 facilities across 23 states, 5000+ workers infected, with 20 dead. (ref)
Weddings, funerals, birthdays: 10% of early spreading events
Business networking: Face-to-face business networking like the Biogen Conference in Boston in March.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 112 reads
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33 / 41

on a deserted beach is just fine.  Count me in.  

AdrianRose See my TER Reviews 124 reads
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34 / 41

Just kiss another part of the gal’s body besides her lips. Problem solved.

GaGambler 139 reads
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35 / 41

Not only can you fuck on the beach (at night of course) but on many of the beaches in Colombia you can have anything you want brought right down to the beach to you, right up to having a gourmet meal catered to you right down on the sand.

 
If there are people around, it's probably a better idea to do your fucking in the water of course. lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 115 reads
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36 / 41

wasn't meant to be kissed, it wouldn't have lips, right?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 112 reads
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37 / 41

made me wonder how far sperm can swim in open water.  Anybody ever do research?

GaGambler 127 reads
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38 / 41

Make sure it's with someone where you have stopped using condoms, Even bareback much of the sensation is lost, I can't imagine trying to fuck in the ocean while wearing a condom. I doubt I'd be able to feel a thing.

Fridays117 27 Reviews 157 reads
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39 / 41

I think I tried to schedule something with you years ago, but our schedules just didn't seem to work or something.  I will agree that you've always been portrayed by yourself and others as YMMV.  As far as offering or not offering somethimg, thats your perogative IMHO.

GaGambler 170 reads
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40 / 41

But there is no denying that you aren't at least a little bit fucking nuts. Not that that's a bad thing of course. lol

 
Enquiring minds still want to know, since you have stated that you are not seeing "high risk" clients, and it's a well known fact that Black people are at a much higher risk than the population at large, does this mean you have enacted a "NO AA's" policy until the pandemic is behind us?

36363jensen 4 Reviews 152 reads
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41 / 41

In my area the high risk group is Hispanic and Latino.

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